Rough Year for Online Leagues - Page 2

mad0die · 11-06-2004, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by treedom

I prefer fictional non-financial as well. I would also love a league where all the extra v6 financial BS is turned off. I could tolerate the v5 financials for online leagues, but I really have no patience for dealing with 40-man rosters, waivers and minor league FAs (especially since it's so damn hard to know who exactly will be one.) Bleah. v6 has all but taken the fun out of online leagues for me.

It certainly has added more complexity to managing a team in an online league. I think it is more fun and challenging, but it results in more rules, more things to watch, etc.

treedom · 11-06-2004, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mad0die

It certainly has added more complexity to managing a team in an online league. I think it is more fun and challenging, but it results in more rules, more things to watch, etc.

The thing for me is that I just don't find dealing with financials fun. I like baseball and stats, not $$$.

Jestre · 11-07-2004, 10:51 AM

The new additions to the financial model are quite cumbersome and intimidating to many I would guess. I too abhor free agency and would never join or run a league with free agency. Of course that eliminates financials as you can't have one without the other. I wonder if the new DIPS system has turned people off also, After using DIPS in the MLBC for a couple of seasons now I am not impressed with it or with OOTP6 for that matter. Hitters seem to gravitate to 7 or 8's in hitting by the masses. Most of the 16 teams in the MLBC have much better hitting ratings on average than in OOTP5, which makes pitching and defense more important than they already were. Pitching in 6 is also 'different', using Ankits career average db now does not ensure great pitchers coming in as rookies are good enough to earn a spot on the starting staff. Most teams again have enough pitchers with ratings elevated into the 8-10 range by player development to skew the ratings.

Bottom line I think OOTP6 was a step back in the enjoyment factor even if one can legitimately argue 6 is more realistic and advanced. This may have a lot to do with many leagues folding...if they aren't having fun...

canadiancreed · 11-07-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by treedom

The thing for me is that I just don't find dealing with financials fun. I like baseball and stats, not $$$.

I find more that its' agravating that the salaries arent realistic to some of the leagues that i'm in. Of course I dont mind the no free agency bit either.

Matteo · 11-07-2004, 03:44 PM

Although many leagues have folded, I find it increasingly difficult to fill up my own league....

Jeremy Weimer · 11-07-2004, 06:11 PM

Even when a handful of leagues fold another 5-10 pop up in the next week or two. Finding members for leagues is always going to be a hard task unless you're a present day real player league. Those are the leagues that most of the online league fans seem to enjoy and gravitate towards. If you're a fictional league or a historical or a mix of something then you're going to have a lot harder of a time finding guys.

Miracle · 11-07-2004, 06:21 PM

My league is doing good, were in our third year and everything is smooth.

Jestre · 11-07-2004, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

Even when a handful of leagues fold another 5-10 pop up in the next week or two. Finding members for leagues is always going to be a hard task unless you're a present day real player league. Those are the leagues that most of the online league fans seem to enjoy and gravitate towards. If you're a fictional league or a historical or a mix of something then you're going to have a lot harder of a time finding guys.

I don't think that is necessarily accurate. The MLBC is a historical league currently simming 1941 and it has never taken me more than 48 hours to fill an opening. Course being completely historical we only have 16 teams but, knock on wood, I have never had any problem finding new owners. I can see hybrid leagues having more of a problem, I dont believe there are as many simmers interested in non-traditional leagues as there are interested in strictly historical or modern. Then again many of the "established" leagues that fold seem to be a result of commish turnover or commish burnout...

Jeremy Weimer · 11-07-2004, 09:17 PM

I never said historical leagues had a hard time finding owners. I simply said they don't have an easy of time as most modern day present player leagues. Those are the easiest type of leagues to fill because the majority of online league players are interested in those leagues. There's a reason there's a ton more present day leagues than historical.

astatguy · 11-07-2004, 09:30 PM

I've tried all kinds of leagues and prefer the traditional, historical ones. When I see historical league openings they are normally snapped up quickly.

I enjoy modern leagues until they become fantasy leagues. I think most modern leagues have trouble getting through that transition. I've been in two that sort of drifted away when the real players started being replaced by generated ones.

The MLBC is awesome. Visiting the site is like a trip to the era the games are being played. Now if I could only figure how to get Stan Musial and Ted Williams out.

Cowboys3356 · 11-08-2004, 12:17 AM

Historical leagues usually last longer because they attract an "older" crowd who think more long term about the game. The modern day leagues usually fill quickly because they attract the younger crowd but they almost always fade out because school & social time usually wins out over an online league. Also the younger person's attention span is usually less focused on an online league.

And before you young people start flaming away, this is not an insult, it is just a fact that someone who is 14-25 probably has a few more things happening in their life that is going to distract them from an online league than someone who is married with 3 kids and loves playing in an online league as a distraction from the wife!

rem · 11-08-2004, 01:19 AM

Somewhat as Cowboys3356 said, I think the much of the real rosters crowd is "easily replaceable." That's not ment as an insult but just a fact. "Easy come, easy go" as they say.

As for historical leagues, I think older people tend to like them more because they're reminiscing days gone by. I look at historical leagues as almost a history lesson and do enjoy replaying the past.

I agree it's hard to keep established leagues staffed. I don't think it's because they'er are too many leagues, but too many GOOD leagues. It's hard to say that's a problem but I could probably name 50 leagues i'd enjoy playing in...if you gave me ten minutes to think about it.

canadiancreed · 11-08-2004, 01:27 AM

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As for historical leagues, I think older people tend to like them more because they're reminiscing days gone by. I look at historical leagues as almost a history lesson and do enjoy replaying the past.

geeze i feel very odl all of a sudden

(based on my leagues, two are histoic based, and one is well....obvious why i joined it)

Karen Lutz · 11-09-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Weimer

Even when a handful of leagues fold another 5-10 pop up in the next week or two. Finding members for leagues is always going to be a hard task unless you're a present day real player league. Those are the leagues that most of the online league fans seem to enjoy and gravitate towards. If you're a fictional league or a historical or a mix of something then you're going to have a lot harder of a time finding guys.

People gravitate towards these leagues until they are not new anymore, then they don't.

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Originally Posted by Miracle

My league is doing good, were in our third year and everything is smooth.

Come back when you are in season 8 and say the same thing. Then it will be an impressive claim.

pixelfader · 11-09-2004, 03:58 PM

League come and leagues go, i'm in two descent ones..AHBA and Modernbaseball and both are running fairly smoothly. I think the key to longevity is website, updates, and consistency of sims. Get em done on time etc. Me and a buddy just started our own online league at www.awfulworks.com and being a web designer i think ours should look good and play smooth hopefully. We still have a few teams available!

vincentvega@awfulworks.com

Tito · 11-09-2004, 04:04 PM

The HCBL, Hard Core Baseball League folded due to a corrupt file.

Not to be confused with this HCBL, Hard Core Baseball League

enuttage · 11-09-2004, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by disposableheros

The Internet Baseball Association died yesterday, RIP.

and you also forgot WHBL as a great up-and-comer

Yeah, where'd you go Remangiii. You let Uncle Buc take over completely and run amuck with the Clowns?

Don't forget us. We're one short of full and still tickin'. It's still early in the life of the league, but we're havin' fun and chock full o' good, smart owners.

-E

John Manard · 11-09-2004, 08:17 PM

I have a modern day player league and it is not full, and it hasnt been easy to get it full.

On the other hand I enjoy OOTP 6 for everything it does add and think it is far better than V5 in many ways. I always thought the pitcher ratings of v5 were not realistic. Honestly a pitcher can not actually control if a pitch is a double or a triple etc. I like the new version much better.

Just my humble opinion

Raderick · 11-09-2004, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Karen Lutz

Come back when you are in season 8 and say the same thing. Then it will be an impressive claim.

I could be wrong, but I think he means three years, not three seasons.

Recte44 · 11-09-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by remangiii

Somewhat as Cowboys3356 said, I think the much of the real rosters crowd is "easily replaceable." That's not ment as an insult but just a fact. "Easy come, easy go" as they say.

As for historical leagues, I think older people tend to like them more because they're reminiscing days gone by. I look at historical leagues as almost a history lesson and do enjoy replaying the past.

I agree it's hard to keep established leagues staffed. I don't think it's because they'er are too many leagues, but too many GOOD leagues. It's hard to say that's a problem but I could probably name 50 leagues i'd enjoy playing in...if you gave me ten minutes to think about it.

That is very true, Stacy.

11-07-2004, 10:51 AM	#23
Jestre All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Smithfield,Ri,USA Posts: 612	The new additions to the financial model are quite cumbersome and intimidating to many I would guess. I too abhor free agency and would never join or run a league with free agency. Of course that eliminates financials as you can't have one without the other. I wonder if the new DIPS system has turned people off also, After using DIPS in the MLBC for a couple of seasons now I am not impressed with it or with OOTP6 for that matter. Hitters seem to gravitate to 7 or 8's in hitting by the masses. Most of the 16 teams in the MLBC have much better hitting ratings on average than in OOTP5, which makes pitching and defense more important than they already were. Pitching in 6 is also 'different', using Ankits career average db now does not ensure great pitchers coming in as rookies are good enough to earn a spot on the starting staff. Most teams again have enough pitchers with ratings elevated into the 8-10 range by player development to skew the ratings. Bottom line I think OOTP6 was a step back in the enjoyment factor even if one can legitimately argue 6 is more realistic and advanced. This may have a lot to do with many leagues folding...if they aren't having fun... __________________ My eyes perceive the present, but my roots are imbedded deeply in the grandeur of the past. "Chief Meyers"

11-07-2004, 03:44 PM	#25
Matteo Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 473	Although many leagues have folded, I find it increasingly difficult to fill up my own league.... __________________ ESPN The Show live chat during 2004 ALCS: Julie (Boston): Do you think Jeter does the fist pump everytime he disappoints a woman in bed? Or does he save it for when he's with A-Rod? Bill Simmons: Whoops - I didn't mean to post that. Really, I didn't.

11-07-2004, 06:21 PM	#27
Miracle Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 233	My league is doing good, were in our third year and everything is smooth. __________________ - "Respect is earned, not handed to you."

11-07-2004, 09:30 PM	#30
astatguy Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 42	Historical Leagues I've tried all kinds of leagues and prefer the traditional, historical ones. When I see historical league openings they are normally snapped up quickly. I enjoy modern leagues until they become fantasy leagues. I think most modern leagues have trouble getting through that transition. I've been in two that sort of drifted away when the real players started being replaced by generated ones. The MLBC is awesome. Visiting the site is like a trip to the era the games are being played. Now if I could only figure how to get Stan Musial and Ted Williams out. __________________ Always go to other peoples' funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours. - Yogi Berra NARBL - Atlanta Braves SO49 - Houston Colt 45's MLBC - Milwaukee Braves

11-08-2004, 01:19 AM	#32
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	Somewhat as Cowboys3356 said, I think the much of the real rosters crowd is "easily replaceable." That's not ment as an insult but just a fact. "Easy come, easy go" as they say. As for historical leagues, I think older people tend to like them more because they're reminiscing days gone by. I look at historical leagues as almost a history lesson and do enjoy replaying the past. I agree it's hard to keep established leagues staffed. I don't think it's because they'er are too many leagues, but too many GOOD leagues. It's hard to say that's a problem but I could probably name 50 leagues i'd enjoy playing in...if you gave me ten minutes to think about it. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

11-07-2004, 06:11 PM	#26
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Even when a handful of leagues fold another 5-10 pop up in the next week or two. Finding members for leagues is always going to be a hard task unless you're a present day real player league. Those are the leagues that most of the online league fans seem to enjoy and gravitate towards. If you're a fictional league or a historical or a mix of something then you're going to have a lot harder of a time finding guys.

11-07-2004, 09:17 PM	#29
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	I never said historical leagues had a hard time finding owners. I simply said they don't have an easy of time as most modern day present player leagues. Those are the easiest type of leagues to fill because the majority of online league players are interested in those leagues. There's a reason there's a ton more present day leagues than historical.

11-08-2004, 12:17 AM	#31
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	Historical leagues usually last longer because they attract an "older" crowd who think more long term about the game. The modern day leagues usually fill quickly because they attract the younger crowd but they almost always fade out because school & social time usually wins out over an online league. Also the younger person's attention span is usually less focused on an online league. And before you young people start flaming away, this is not an insult, it is just a fact that someone who is 14-25 probably has a few more things happening in their life that is going to distract them from an online league than someone who is married with 3 kids and loves playing in an online league as a distraction from the wife!

11-09-2004, 03:58 PM	#35
pixelfader Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 120	League come and leagues go, i'm in two descent ones..AHBA and Modernbaseball and both are running fairly smoothly. I think the key to longevity is website, updates, and consistency of sims. Get em done on time etc. Me and a buddy just started our own online league at www.awfulworks.com and being a web designer i think ours should look good and play smooth hopefully. We still have a few teams available! vincentvega@awfulworks.com

11-09-2004, 04:04 PM	#36
Tito Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 149	The HCBL, Hard Core Baseball League folded due to a corrupt file. Not to be confused with this HCBL, Hard Core Baseball League

11-09-2004, 08:17 PM	#38
John Manard Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 97	not full I have a modern day player league and it is not full, and it hasnt been easy to get it full. On the other hand I enjoy OOTP 6 for everything it does add and think it is far better than V5 in many ways. I always thought the pitcher ratings of v5 were not realistic. Honestly a pitcher can not actually control if a pitch is a double or a triple etc. I like the new version much better. Just my humble opinion