Winslow's Agent Rejects Browns' Offer

[keenejee]

This is what kills me about professionals.

To me, what the hell is the difference between a couple million dollars? I'd go out there and ride the pine and get paid like these guys do. You wouldn't hear a complaint from me about $$ all year long.

The guys are blessed with having the talent to be able to make millions, yet they're so damn greedy.

[yankeesrule]

well, this sure aint gonna help the browns cause. fitzgerald just signed a rookie record contract

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=1850622

[phenom]

Originally Posted by keenejee

To me, what the hell is the difference between a couple million dollars? I'd go out there and ride the pine and get paid like these guys do. You wouldn't hear a complaint from me about $$ all year long.

Maybe so, but equate it to your job. What if you're making less than others who are doing just as much, if not less, than you are. Would you still be happy, doing the same or more for less pay?

[Jason]

Originally Posted by mlyons

Nope, not guaranteed. That's why you'll see so many veterans get cut. Since most contracts are structured to have escalating payments each year, by the last couple years of a contract lots of players are scheduled to get paid a lot more than they're worth, so they get cut (see Kerry Collins).

You could theoretically get a guarantee but into the contract but I don't know of a single NFL team that does it.

[Joshv02]

Originally Posted by keenejee

This is what kills me about professionals.

To me, what the hell is the difference between a couple million dollars? I'd go out there and ride the pine and get paid like these guys do. You wouldn't hear a complaint from me about $$ all year long.

The guys are blessed with having the talent to be able to make millions, yet they're so damn greedy.

Then don't sign. Why does it matter if you moralize your salary? What possible relevance could that be?

He may be smart; realizing he will be dead about 20 years early b/c of football, realizing that there is a good chance he will suck and will never be worth another big contract, he uses his unique bargining position to his advantage. If the team won't sign him, so be it. If he has to back off from his demand, so be it.

When players are smart, they are lamblasted. I never understand it.

This is what kills me about fans.

[PotatoPeeler]

Winslow is an asshat. Hopefully the goes the way of Cryin' Leaf.

[John C]

Originally Posted by neohemp

I thought NFL contracts WERE guaranteed, that's why some guys can refuse to play and still get paid. I knew in basketball they weren't guaranteed, but I always thought NFL ones were

Just FYI...first-round contracts in the NBA *are* guaranteed. I don't think they've changed that yet.

-John

[IatricSB]

Originally Posted by keenejee

Was there a conviction? I don't think so....isn't that slander or something?

J. Jonah Jameson: Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.

[Akrobat]

Originally Posted by Joshv02

Then don't sign. Why does it matter if you moralize your salary? What possible relevance could that be?

He may be smart; realizing he will be dead about 20 years early b/c of football, realizing that there is a good chance he will suck and will never be worth another big contract, he uses his unique bargining position to his advantage. If the team won't sign him, so be it. If he has to back off from his demand, so be it.

When players are smart, they are lamblasted. I never understand it.

This is what kills me about fans.

Oh no... Winslow will only make 50 million dollars instead of 100 million? I feel bad for that guy, truely I do. Oh wait, you also said he might die early for playing football? Time to stop visiting people with cancer and start worshipping Winslow!

[Joshv02]

I could care less if you think he is "bad" (hopefully, he could to) or more "deserving" than cancer patients. Simply is irrelevent.

It is a smart move to get as much as he can. People who say it is somehow "bad" or "disloyal" or anything else are moral are simply missing the point. It is business. Make your money. If you have other motives (the "good of the game") good for you.

I don't worship Winslow. I think he is a business man if he can get as much as possible (after all, the team won't give it unless it is worth it in their mind). This moralizing over players contracts is silly, imho.

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by phenom

Maybe so, but equate it to your job. What if you're making less than others who are doing just as much, if not less, than you are. Would you still be happy, doing the same or more for less pay?

This is not really a viable argument. If person A has been working at a job for the same amount of time as person B, then A should expect to be payed as much for the same kind of work. If B has been working for a company 30 years and then A comes in right out of college making the same amount for the same work, B has every right to be offended. He has worked hard to earn that money, whereas A may have worked hard to get that job, he still hasn't proven himself in his field to warrant the paycheck.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by phenom

Maybe so, but equate it to your job. What if you're making less than others who are doing just as much, if not less, than you are. Would you still be happy, doing the same or more for less pay?

In the real world, you have to prove yourself at the highest level to get highest level money.

[Joshv02]

No you don't. In the real world you, you have to sign a good contract to get the highest level money.

I entered my market at a good time and get paid a good deal more than others who entered the next year (when my industry suffered a correction) or 5 years earlier (when the economy my industry feeds off of, sucked). I didn't prove myself to a soul. A good of those in worse jobs are more talented than I.

Originally Posted by bobbuttons

This is not really a viable argument. If person A has been working at a job for the same amount of time as person B, then A should expect to be payed as much for the same kind of work. If B has been working for a company 30 years and then A comes in right out of college making the same amount for the same work, B has every right to be offended. He has worked hard to earn that money, whereas A may have worked hard to get that job, he still hasn't proven himself in his field to warrant the paycheck.

The team will not pay him more than his is "worth" to them (or they are bad at business and should be blamed more than the player). If someone else got less it is b/c of their bad business saavy or their luck in the market. I will not let myself be penalized b/c of someone else mistakes/lack-of-luck.

Worker B should be offended at the employer, not the employee. Worker B got screwed; worker A shouldn't have to, also.

[TheRockCT]

For just ONE, one measly year in the history of mankind, all athletes and musicians need to make $30,000 a year. In the meantime, teachers, city safety officials, and other low paying career workers need to make a base salary of just $1,000,000. How many athletes would ride the bench for that one year if they were only going to make $30,000?

[phenom]

Originally Posted by TheRockCT

For just ONE, one measly year in the history of mankind, all athletes and musicians need to make $30,000 a year. In the meantime, teachers, city safety officials, and other low paying career workers need to make a base salary of just $1,000,000. How many athletes would ride the bench for that one year if they were only going to make $30,000?

no offense, but :yawn:

[TheRockCT]

Originally Posted by phenom

no offense, but :yawn:

Then go to bed.

[phenom]

point is, you're stating the obvious.

[keenejee]

Originally Posted by Joshv02

Then don't sign. Why does it matter if you moralize your salary? What possible relevance could that be?

He may be smart; realizing he will be dead about 20 years early b/c of football, realizing that there is a good chance he will suck and will never be worth another big contract, he uses his unique bargining position to his advantage. If the team won't sign him, so be it. If he has to back off from his demand, so be it.

When players are smart, they are lamblasted. I never understand it.

This is what kills me about fans.

Yeah, seeing how the average person earns 700,000 in their working life. I'm sure that record offer to Winslow will just make it unbareable to live! my god, what's he gonna do, he's gonna be so f*n poor!

He plays TE...IMO out of all positions on offense, it might just be the one position that overtime has a lesser effect on the entire body as a whole.

And no, you can't compare this to the average workplace. Simply b/c I'll never make in 10 years to what this moron's gonna make in 1yr.

[Hammer755]

Not many people are aware if it, but there have been hidden cameras recording the entirety of the Winslow/Poston Brothers negotiations.

[Joshv02]

Originally Posted by keenejee

Yeah, seeing how the average person earns 700,000 in their working life. I'm sure that record offer to Winslow will just make it unbareable to live! my god, what's he gonna do, he's gonna be so f*n poor!
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And no, you can't compare this to the average workplace. Simply b/c I'll never make in 10 years to what this moron's gonna make in 1yr.

You completely miss the point. We could talk about the impossibility of comparing inter-personal utility, or keep this to a real life discussion: lets do the latter and go at it two different ways.

Perhaps this way is better: If you are truely the socialist that you are claiming to be (after all, you are advocating a cap on salaries based on YOUR decision of the "worth" of a job -- not using the market as the guide), then put your money where your mouth is: vote for a socialist for president. I'm cool with that; I have in the past. I doubt you will. Instead, I think this is rhetorical bluster.

Maybe, instead, you think that Browns owner Ralph Lerner, with a net worth of close to $2 billion, deserves to have more money. The money shouldn't go to stupid TEs! More money for rich white dudes! Yeah! So, you have some type of aversion to Football players making more than $20 an hour because they are taking the money from hard working rich white men, who clearly didn't use the silly market to make any of that green. Do you think Lerner’s daddy, when he was flipping banks for profit in the ‘80s, said “now looky here: I can’t take all this money with me in one big bag; why don’t we give it to teachers, who are clearly providing greater value for their services.” Naw. But, Winslow must?

Perhaps you are under some weird delusion that Winslow, that greedy bastard, is taking money away from charities to feed starving former dog pound member victims of penile dysfunction. Afterall, Lerner only has $50 million to give to charity. For each dollar her personally must hand out to Winslow, another person will be forced to suffer humiliation. Winslow is a murderer! MURDERER!

Yeah, we should value teachers more. Yeah, we should allocate resources as a country better. But, harping on Winslow ain't going to do it.

Here is the bottom line: Winslow and Lerner are in contract negotiations. It is Winslow’s job to get as much total value (e.g., individual happiness) as he can. For YOU that may be signing quickly and having the media love you. For Winslow, it may be making as much money now as he can, as he will likely never be this much in demand again. It is Winslow’s choice to make within the given rules.