not many leagues like this

[menchfan]

Well, that would be great, but people forget the cost of running things. This league will tend to move slower than most and server space to run these kinds of things are not free, and most people don't realize that if you do pay by paypayl - there is a charge for that as well. There alot of factors that deal with pricing /costs etc..

The first time this was brought up was a concern about if "we" were going to pocket money, well in a perfect world.. that would be cool lol but in the real world, it just doesn't happen.

We originally had it to where just the 1st & 2nd place winners. Then we thought about "what if there is no owner", so I think our concept was to make it more competitive to win and set up this way will ensure that they will monitor their teams and actually try to win (IMO)... I dont control the rules of the game, but I am sure he will most definitely take into consideration what you have said

[halofan26]

I WILL in fact take what crackpott said because it is rather intriguing IMO.......as for what he said....that is really a long term goal....i would love for this league to grow so large that i can start distributing money to everyone.......and then i can open up another pay league and just let the small snow ball get bigger!

As for the cash prize, that is a bonehead error on my part. the rules are correct, the winner will get 200 in cash, the rest of the money is for the cost to keep the site running and up until the moon turns into cheese as i dont want the site to go down one day cause of non payment lol

as for finding GM's there are currently 3 signed up and 1 has paid, and the traffic coming to the site is pretty big, but i think with it being a new concept and not really been put into play as much, it will take some time to get it going. I am a player's commish and i try to make the leagues enjoyable for everyone. that way i dont have a high turn around rate for GM's leaving and staying. right now in all my leagues i average 2 new GM's per season. sometimes there are more, but i try to keep it so that GM's dont change hands.

The front office will monitor ALL transactions because this is a pay league so those lopsided trades will not go through unless there is some sort of REALLY good reason why it was done.

Crakpott? you had some really good ideas and i would be more than willing to talk to you about them so that i can get all your input

[rem]

Am I one of the three signed up?

[halofan26]

yes sir you are

[rem]

"K"ool.

[crackpott]

feel free to IM me if you want. FBBL Commish. I've thought about making a pay league for a long time, just never wanted to go through the hassle of finding owners.

Another point is $40 for 3 months (usual length of an online season)? Someone needs to talk to Joe (www.allin1websolutions.com if that address is wrong joe, sorry. Get one that's easier to remember.) about cheaper webspace.

[crackpott]

Originally posted by blmeanie
Best idea I've heard ever about a pay to play league, nice one Crackpott and very interesting to see how it would work out over time. In fact you could do away with the annual fee altogether and make it based on payroll. Makes free agency and bidding wars between owners more meaningful.

The main flaw is owners who just get a team full of minimum salary guys and just HOPE they'll win, kinda like playing the lottery. They'll probably lose, but hey... for $1 or whatever it would be, why not? You'd probably have to set a minimum payroll ($40M? I don't know)

[halofan26]

The forty dollars is not for 3 months lol......this leagues season wil take much longer than a normal season....we will sim 2-3 games per sim 2 or 3 days a week, so it will be closer to 4 or 5 months to complete an entire season from start to finish and that money will take care of an entire year of webspace, that way everyone in the league is ensured to have a league that wont "dissappear" one day....

A minimum payroll would be set and 35 or 40 million is my current desired amount, but that could change based on the GM's thoughts

[blmeanie]

Originally posted by crackpott


Another point is $40 for 3 months (usual length of an online season)? Someone needs to talk to Joe (www.allin1websolutions.com if that address is wrong joe, sorry. Get one that's easier to remember.) about cheaper webspace.

Joe's service is great and inexpensive, I pay $3.95 a month for his basic package and it works great with OOTP.

[CommishJoe]

Originally posted by blmeanie
Joe's service is great and inexpensive, I pay $3.95 a month for his basic package and it works great with OOTP.

Thanks for the plugs guys, but I think it's safe to say they are pretty well set for web hosting Let's keep this on the subject of their league which I think does have a lot of promise.

[blmeanie]

Originally posted by crackpott
The main flaw is owners who just get a team full of minimum salary guys and just HOPE they'll win, kinda like playing the lottery. They'll probably lose, but hey... for $1 or whatever it would be, why not? You'd probably have to set a minimum payroll ($40M? I don't know)

How about a minimum of $7 per season and then those that overspend a certain amount determined by the commish pay a premium? You would have a variable pot of money to split at the end but more than likely you would have enough to cover costs.

[halofan26]

well the end goal is that the first season has 200 in cash going to the winner......with the remaining covering the cost for a while...THEN the next season to have the cash prize increase every year with the per GM cost of 7.95 a season never going up but hopefully going down as these leagues grow. Now as crakpott said earlier, there is still a chance that i could split the pot to say 150-175 for the winner and 25 to 50 for the world series loser.......also in the long term goals is to have trophies made and delivered to the winning GM's home as a small token of their winning the WS (kind of like the current WS trophy that makes its way around every year). There are so many items and plans that me and my wife have for leagues like this that we currently run 7 leagues and i am a GM in 3 other leagues and she plays in one as well (got stomped in the playoffs tho lol). My main site (www.simleaguecentral.com) is meant to make online simming with sports (and hopefully other genre of games) fun and easy to do. I welcome ALL ideas on leagues like this because after all, you guys play in the leagues

[crackpott]

Originally posted by blmeanie
How about a minimum of $7 per season and then those that overspend a certain amount determined by the commish pay a premium? You would have a variable pot of money to split at the end but more than likely you would have enough to cover costs.

Well.. it's all moot anyway since I doubt i'll be starting this kind of league.

[menchfan]

Ok, well -see what I miss when I take a 12 hour drive yesterday lol

Anyway, as far as the pricing of webspace - we don't have just webspace - we have servers as Joe can tell you as well.

I run a webhosting business just like Joe, and we are both comparable with each other and not in any deep competition with each other (or at least I didnt think so lol). We both do the same things, about the same prices, and have the good of the leagues at our hearts. That was my two cents and now I will leave that alone and I just would like to say Thanks to Joe for doing the same

Anyway, DEAREST lol Here is what I propose:

1st Place - 110
2nd Place - 50
3rd Place - 25
4th Place - 15

This will keep the bulk of the people happy and returning. No free returns, but they can use the winnings as an account to return and play off that if they so choose to do so (I can program that)

I would also say - to keep it very interesting... set up a real fine system.. if they do something they aren't supposed to then they can be fined? It will more than likely keep people straight if there is the potential to lose money in that sense. Then the fines could also be used to up the Ante the following year.

Just a thought - early in the morning lol

[halofan26]

The fine system would be fine, but you have to remember that when a GM would be fined, we would be entrusting them to pay the fine and if a GM feels they shouldnt be fined (for example a uneven trade or purposefully losing to gain a better draft pick) they would most likely say "the hell with it im not gonna pay them $#@%#. If that COULD happen then yes it would be a way to raise the money amount. As for the distribution of the money, all that can be changed, but until i get the GM's take that are in the league we cant move the money around right now

[rem]

I think a payroll/fine system is a nice idea but wouldn't work. Why? Because a 37 year old lawyer would have much more disposable income then a 19 year old year colleage student.

[menchfan]

True, but I wasn't saying to make it A LARGE fine lol But then again, I can say this:

We are both college students with hobbies, and mine (if I want to do something bad enough) is games. For example, Final Fantasy 12 is an online game. I have to buy the game (50 bucks) then pay per month to play it. If I wanted to play it bad enough, then I would - but lucky for me I don't like those gaming environments lol

[halofan26]

yeah it wouldnt be a huge fine, but we are still entrusting the GM's to say "ok i agree that i should be fined, here is my payment".....we have to get past that part before we even think of adding a fine system and coming up with a fair amount for a fine

[BigBambino]

As the Portland Owner in this league, and the person that Mike mentioned has already paid, here is my 2 cents.

-The fine system is ideal in a league such as this. I suggest that we try to work this into the league somehow. However, as mike said, somone could just bail on the league if they feel they didn't do anything wrong, thus should not be held accountable to pay the fine. Some Ideas for this are:
~ I suggest that all fine collecting to be used in the FOLLOWING years prize bucket. Because if a Owner drops because they dont want to pay the fine..it wont affect the outcome of the prize pot that season.
~First, all fine offensive crimes should be put up to the league for a league wide vote. Just because a owner would think that maybe the commissioner is 'picking' or being bias towards an owner in regards to slaping a fine on them. So if it's a league wide vote, that would solve that problem. Since there is 30 teams, it would take 16 votes for yes(or no) to make a fine official.
~If for some reason, a league wide vote is not what you want, then maybe you could select 3-5 league members to serve as the 'Fine Officials'. Any disputes that envolve a fine would go threw those 3-5 people, and obviously yourself mike.
~If a GM is found guilty of somthing and charged with a fine, then first...Give them 24 or 48 hours to pay the fine, Or you remove them from the league. One Strike and your out. Get a new GM, or you run the team until we find a owner.
~I suggest the following Fine Payouts.

Unfair trade: $5
Breaking a League Rule: (the most harsh crime) $8

Well i know there are more, but right now it's early for me, and i cant think of anymore...But i think the pricing for fines should be right around that area...


As for the Payout I think that only the top two teams should get Cash as they are the ones that got to the world series, and that is what this is all about.

World Series Winner: $150
World Series Loser: $50

Use the Fines that are colected in the follwoing years pot, as you would know exactly how much they're would be.


On a final note, i have been in many of mike's leagues for some time now. They are easily the best ran leagues i have ever been in. They're always fun and ran without a hitch for the most part. I really wouldn't worry about this new concept, as it is the same exact kind of league you or I play every day, only difference is that we have 8 dollars envested to it. That 8 dollars should only make the league better as the owners are sure to be more active and trying to be as competitive as possible. instead of 10 teams tanking a season to get a good Ammy pick in other leagues..

regards,
Steve

[halofan26]

hmmmm that could work!! I like the time frame and the league vote idea