My OOTP Impressions (Long) - Page 2

AZTarHeel · 04-19-2004, 02:49 PM

I love OOTP a lot, but after reading all of these reviews I'm more and more content to stick with V5, at least for a few more months....

AngelinOF · 04-19-2004, 03:01 PM

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ne..._mlb&fext=.jsp

A link to a list od some of the more notable Rule 5 draftees.

I'm thinking that since this draft is more than 100 years old that there are some that MLB may have missed since their list looks to just be over the last 15 years.

KurtBevacqua · 04-19-2004, 03:02 PM

My biggest dissappointment is in fielding ratings. I was really hoping V6 would incorporate some kind of growth/regression of fielding %. I hate using Lahman when a guy who normally is a gold glove prospect, enters the game from a cup of coffee Sept call up and made one or two errors in two games and is now branded for life with a .930 fld %. I freely admit to using the edit feature to change fielding % of certain players in the game. Always have and it appears in the future I still will.

On the positive side, I like the IF arm feature as well as the new ratings scale for arm scores. But please, let's have some kind of career progression on fielding %.

Ktulu · 04-19-2004, 03:05 PM

I think the Rule V draft will improve as the 40 man roster bugs are addressed. Once all the rules are working, like traded players NOT going to the minors, the 40 man roster should become more difficult to manage and as a restult a few better prospects will appear in the rule 5 draft.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-19-2004, 03:11 PM

If you'll check your player development you'll see that fielding % "as a rating" changes, it has for awhile now.

Kezzek · 04-19-2004, 03:28 PM

True, but from what I've seen it's a minute change. e.g. .978 to .976.

KurtBevacqua · 04-19-2004, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
If you'll check your player development you'll see that fielding % "as a rating" changes, it has for awhile now.

If it does, it does so very, very slowly. I am in year four of my current dynasty and I watch my players ratings very closely. I have yet to see one % change in any player in four years. And that was with V5.14 crossing over to V6.

Steve Kuffrey · 04-19-2004, 03:41 PM

My "guess" though is if the changes were larger we'd hear complaining to beat the band. Can't please 'em all.

LAH · 04-19-2004, 03:48 PM

How come arguing calls is still an option?

eMarlin · 04-19-2004, 04:23 PM

From what I've seen the game's additions are great. I loved 5, but the subtle changes yet very significant Rule 5 and Waiver rules are great. These are key tools for real life GM's.

%-wise, how many people are still stuck with significant errors so that they can't play the game (I'm one). I'm willing to spend time trying to fix it or wait out the patches, but I'm frustrated to hear that others are playing and enjoying this game (envious?).

Markus, congratulations!

Erithtotl · 04-19-2004, 04:38 PM

I think the bottom line is that for me, and probably the majority of people on this board, OOTP6 is worth upgrading to, because we are very particular about the game and any improvements are good improvements.

When I see people saying that aren't going to upgrade on the result of my post, I hope they take that into account. If I had the option I of giving the game back and getting a refund, I definitely would not take it.

But, I think if you took a casual player of OOTP5, gave them OOTP6, they would come back and say 'why did I pay another $35 for this?' The engine improvements won't be noticed by them, or appreciated enough to justify the price. I'll play OOTP6 to death, no doubt, but thats because I'm such a hardcore fan of this kind of game, but I don't think the improvements will sell anyone who wasn't also a big fan of the game or the genre. I'm someone who would pay $100 for the perfect baseball sim, but I'm not a typical example.

Malleus Dei · 04-19-2004, 04:50 PM

I like the new engine a lot.

I hate the new PbP interface a lot more.

William4192 · 04-20-2004, 09:28 AM

I just see it as a building block. Now that the "engine" is set, Markus can start adding and fixing things.

thbroman · 04-20-2004, 10:03 AM

I think it will take simming a lot of seasons to see how the new engine has affected things. For myself, I really appreciate the new roster complexity. Trading is becoming more interesting and complicated too, with the addition of cash into the equation. On the other hand, I think trading might now step to the front as the #1 area deserving scrutiny & improvement.

Jestre · 04-20-2004, 10:24 AM

I am hoping OOTP7 is devoted to removing the foul ball loop.... That in itself will make it a great value!!!! Everytime I see a foul ball on the pbp I curse and wonder just how many clicks I am gonna have to make this time.....

thbroman · 04-20-2004, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jestre
I am hoping OOTP7 is devoted to removing the foul ball loop.... That in itself will make it a great value!!!! Everytime I see a foul ball on the pbp I curse and wonder just how many clicks I am gonna have to make this time.....

Hmm -- I have never thought this was anything but WAD. When I watch MLB on the tube or in person, there seem to be similar Foul-ball loops.
Has this been a topic of discussion in the forums? If so, then I apologize -- I was away for a good number of months.

waltwa · 04-20-2004, 10:54 AM

i read the review somewhat quickly but will go over it again. my first impression is that it is a great review and markus should read it over carefully. i am not saying that everything is automatically correct but it seems to be a well thought out review.
it seems that everything mentioned is correctable but may take an edition or two to do it.

the one thing that has struck me and i think it has effected ootp6 was the needless(in my opinion) time wasted on the development of "inside the park". when a game is perfect or at least close that is the time to expand into other games and while i like ootp6 very much it has a ways to go before it approaches perfection.

the strength of ootp has been its dedication toward perfecting one game and the sidetrack caused by "itp" probably caused at least a hiccup in achieving that goal.

i agree that another really good baseball sim would serve to drive the development of ootp but i sure don't see it in the other 2 games (puresim and baseball mogul) so i think that drive is going to have to be supplied by people writing well thought out reviews because i don't feel that markus has ever been guilty of not listening.

pollaro70 · 04-20-2004, 11:51 AM

I don't think we should be questioning Markus' or anyone else's drive here. First off, I think that OOTP is far ahead of all the other baseball sims. As has been stated earlier, Markus could sit and let them catch up, but he hasn't. He sat down and rewrote the whole engine for the game and it's statistics. This is not a minor step, it is a major endeavor, especially for someone who programs alone. I'm not sure that people realize how big a change this really is. And, I agree with Markus, this is well worth it. DIPS is better than the previous method. For one, it actually makes defense important. OOTP isn't perfect, but no game is.

Look at what people are complaining about. Trading in the success cycle? Do you realize how realistic a game has to get before this is even thought of? And, not every team follows this (Pittsburgh, Montreal, White Sox, Mets come to mind). I think a more realistic goal would be to have GM's with differing personalities like defense, OBP, BA, pitching. And, have the teams fire and hire different styles throughout careers. But, as with DIPS, I think this is a huge step and probably not something that could be done with one update. Although I'd love for Markus to prove me wrong.

As for crashes, it runs perfectly on my system, sorry. And, I don't use pbp, I just sim all my games. Finally, the only problem I've had with the trade window is the ratings (how they don't adjust to the ratings used) and the salary. I'm pretty sure these will be addressed.

This is just my opinion and I think that all yours are good too. Just wanted to throw in my bit.

pollaro70 · 04-20-2004, 11:57 AM

I forgot to add my Rule 5 thoughts. First off, notice how many of them are returned. Also, any list that has a 3 of the top 4 being Vina, Alfonseca, and Mantei is not a good list. I think it's pretty realistic and the only thing that would make it more so would be to trade to keep Rule 5 picks.

04-19-2004, 03:02 PM	#23
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	My biggest dissappointment is in fielding ratings. I was really hoping V6 would incorporate some kind of growth/regression of fielding %. I hate using Lahman when a guy who normally is a gold glove prospect, enters the game from a cup of coffee Sept call up and made one or two errors in two games and is now branded for life with a .930 fld %. I freely admit to using the edit feature to change fielding % of certain players in the game. Always have and it appears in the future I still will. On the positive side, I like the IF arm feature as well as the new ratings scale for arm scores. But please, let's have some kind of career progression on fielding %. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

04-19-2004, 03:05 PM	#24
Ktulu Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: BC Posts: 4,710	I think the Rule V draft will improve as the 40 man roster bugs are addressed. Once all the rules are working, like traded players NOT going to the minors, the 40 man roster should become more difficult to manage and as a restult a few better prospects will appear in the rule 5 draft. __________________ "The ice is getting even more thinner, my friend!"

04-19-2004, 03:11 PM	#25
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	If you'll check your player development you'll see that fielding % "as a rating" changes, it has for awhile now. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-19-2004, 03:28 PM	#26
Kezzek All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Keyboard - frantically typing in subtle insults to raise my self-esteem Posts: 973	True, but from what I've seen it's a minute change. e.g. .978 to .976. __________________ - Kez, P.E.

04-19-2004, 03:41 PM	#28
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	My "guess" though is if the changes were larger we'd hear complaining to beat the band. Can't please 'em all. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

04-19-2004, 02:49 PM	#21
AZTarHeel All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,779	I love OOTP a lot, but after reading all of these reviews I'm more and more content to stick with V5, at least for a few more months....

04-19-2004, 03:01 PM	#22
AngelinOF All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,353	http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/ne..._mlb&fext=.jsp A link to a list od some of the more notable Rule 5 draftees. I'm thinking that since this draft is more than 100 years old that there are some that MLB may have missed since their list looks to just be over the last 15 years.

04-19-2004, 03:48 PM	#29
LAH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Field of Screams Posts: 445	How come arguing calls is still an option? __________________ The Captain

04-19-2004, 04:23 PM	#30
eMarlin Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 18	From what I've seen the game's additions are great. I loved 5, but the subtle changes yet very significant Rule 5 and Waiver rules are great. These are key tools for real life GM's. %-wise, how many people are still stuck with significant errors so that they can't play the game (I'm one). I'm willing to spend time trying to fix it or wait out the patches, but I'm frustrated to hear that others are playing and enjoying this game (envious?). Markus, congratulations!

04-19-2004, 04:38 PM	#31
Erithtotl Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 330	I think the bottom line is that for me, and probably the majority of people on this board, OOTP6 is worth upgrading to, because we are very particular about the game and any improvements are good improvements. When I see people saying that aren't going to upgrade on the result of my post, I hope they take that into account. If I had the option I of giving the game back and getting a refund, I definitely would not take it. But, I think if you took a casual player of OOTP5, gave them OOTP6, they would come back and say 'why did I pay another $35 for this?' The engine improvements won't be noticed by them, or appreciated enough to justify the price. I'll play OOTP6 to death, no doubt, but thats because I'm such a hardcore fan of this kind of game, but I don't think the improvements will sell anyone who wasn't also a big fan of the game or the genre. I'm someone who would pay $100 for the perfect baseball sim, but I'm not a typical example.

04-20-2004, 09:28 AM	#33
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	I just see it as a building block. Now that the "engine" is set, Markus can start adding and fixing things. __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

04-20-2004, 10:03 AM	#34
thbroman All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 867	I think it will take simming a lot of seasons to see how the new engine has affected things. For myself, I really appreciate the new roster complexity. Trading is becoming more interesting and complicated too, with the addition of cash into the equation. On the other hand, I think trading might now step to the front as the #1 area deserving scrutiny & improvement.

04-20-2004, 10:24 AM	#35
Jestre All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North Smithfield,Ri,USA Posts: 612	I am hoping OOTP7 is devoted to removing the foul ball loop.... That in itself will make it a great value!!!! Everytime I see a foul ball on the pbp I curse and wonder just how many clicks I am gonna have to make this time..... __________________ My eyes perceive the present, but my roots are imbedded deeply in the grandeur of the past. "Chief Meyers"

04-20-2004, 10:54 AM	#37
waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 906	i read the review somewhat quickly but will go over it again. my first impression is that it is a great review and markus should read it over carefully. i am not saying that everything is automatically correct but it seems to be a well thought out review. it seems that everything mentioned is correctable but may take an edition or two to do it. the one thing that has struck me and i think it has effected ootp6 was the needless(in my opinion) time wasted on the development of "inside the park". when a game is perfect or at least close that is the time to expand into other games and while i like ootp6 very much it has a ways to go before it approaches perfection. the strength of ootp has been its dedication toward perfecting one game and the sidetrack caused by "itp" probably caused at least a hiccup in achieving that goal. i agree that another really good baseball sim would serve to drive the development of ootp but i sure don't see it in the other 2 games (puresim and baseball mogul) so i think that drive is going to have to be supplied by people writing well thought out reviews because i don't feel that markus has ever been guilty of not listening.

04-20-2004, 11:51 AM	#38
pollaro70 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 44	I don't think we should be questioning Markus' or anyone else's drive here. First off, I think that OOTP is far ahead of all the other baseball sims. As has been stated earlier, Markus could sit and let them catch up, but he hasn't. He sat down and rewrote the whole engine for the game and it's statistics. This is not a minor step, it is a major endeavor, especially for someone who programs alone. I'm not sure that people realize how big a change this really is. And, I agree with Markus, this is well worth it. DIPS is better than the previous method. For one, it actually makes defense important. OOTP isn't perfect, but no game is. Look at what people are complaining about. Trading in the success cycle? Do you realize how realistic a game has to get before this is even thought of? And, not every team follows this (Pittsburgh, Montreal, White Sox, Mets come to mind). I think a more realistic goal would be to have GM's with differing personalities like defense, OBP, BA, pitching. And, have the teams fire and hire different styles throughout careers. But, as with DIPS, I think this is a huge step and probably not something that could be done with one update. Although I'd love for Markus to prove me wrong. As for crashes, it runs perfectly on my system, sorry. And, I don't use pbp, I just sim all my games. Finally, the only problem I've had with the trade window is the ratings (how they don't adjust to the ratings used) and the salary. I'm pretty sure these will be addressed. This is just my opinion and I think that all yours are good too. Just wanted to throw in my bit.

04-20-2004, 11:57 AM	#39
pollaro70 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 44	I forgot to add my Rule 5 thoughts. First off, notice how many of them are returned. Also, any list that has a 3 of the top 4 being Vina, Alfonseca, and Mantei is not a good list. I think it's pretty realistic and the only thing that would make it more so would be to trade to keep Rule 5 picks.