Red Sox vs. Yankees IT IS ON! - Page 2

fat dude · 10-07-2003, 03:33 PM

Gee whiz, I thought sporr had some numbers. Nope.

draven085 · 10-07-2003, 03:36 PM

fat d00d, all that matters when evaluating a pitcher's performance is his W-L record. Duh.

fat dude · 10-07-2003, 03:44 PM

See, I learn something new every day!

marc · 10-07-2003, 03:44 PM

The Red Sox will lose and the curse will live on for all eternity, and no im not a yankees nor a red sox fan just a believer in the curse.

fat dude · 10-07-2003, 03:53 PM

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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sporr · 10-07-2003, 04:05 PM

I'm just saying that he's won less than 1/4 of his games against the Yankees. Nothing more, nothing less. As I said, his track record isn't that great.

draven085 · 10-07-2003, 04:08 PM

Judging him in a vaccum like that isn't particularly useful. How do other pitchers fair against the Yanks? What is his ERA? How do his DIPS numbers look? How has the pen faired in his outings? How much run support has he received?

sporr · 10-07-2003, 04:12 PM

For whatever reason, he doesn't have as much success against the Yankees. If you want to try to say that 4 wins in 18 starts is successful, then I guess I would disagree. Part of winning games is staying in long enough to be decisive. He hasn't done this in the last few years against them. If you look at those games start by start, you'll see that, generally speaking, whoever he is facing turns it up a notch against him. I don't expect any different in this series.

draven085 · 10-07-2003, 04:30 PM

You thought this too. Good call on that one.

sporr · 10-07-2003, 05:19 PM

lol....I still do. It's just going to take another series.

Cuss16 · 10-07-2003, 05:25 PM

Go Red sox, i just want the yanks to lose.

MannyTrillo · 10-08-2003, 04:16 AM

In his career, Pedro is 9-8, 2.88 in 24 starts against the Yankees. Is that evidence that Pedro is somehow worse against the Yankees- above and beyond the fact that the Yankees tend to have a better lineup than most other teams- than he is against everyone else? Nope.

I will say that I am not looking forward to this series. Unless the Sox sweep or win it 4-1, it will be more stressful than anything else. I have enough to worry about that I'm not really looking forward to coming home and being stressed out in front of the TV for 3 1/2 hours every night for the next week. The series with the A's has to rank as one of the best postseason series in recent memory, but I couldn't really appreciate it as a baseball fan. More than anything, I hope the Sox win the Series this year so that I can just relax and enjoy rooting for this team for the rest of my life, rather than having this overwhelming sense of gravity about everything that happens.

Skipaway · 10-08-2003, 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by MannyTrillo
In his career, Pedro is 9-8, 2.88 in 24 starts against the Yankees. Is that evidence that Pedro is somehow worse against the Yankees- above and beyond the fact that the Yankees tend to have a better lineup than most other teams- than he is against everyone else? Nope.

I will say that I am not looking forward to this series. Unless the Sox sweep or win it 4-1, it will be more stressful than anything else. I have enough to worry about that I'm not really looking forward to coming home and being stressed out in front of the TV for 3 1/2 hours every night for the next week. The series with the A's has to rank as one of the best postseason series in recent memory, but I couldn't really appreciate it as a baseball fan. More than anything, I hope the Sox win the Series this year so that I can just relax and enjoy rooting for this team for the rest of my life, rather than having this overwhelming sense of gravity about everything that happens.

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fat dude · 10-08-2003, 10:39 AM

And my friends think I'm nuts about the Red Sox.

atarizx3 · 10-08-2003, 11:38 AM

atarizx3 · 10-08-2003, 11:39 AM

Hammer755 · 10-08-2003, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Eric
Hey maybe Kim will do better against the Yankees than when he was with the D'backs. But I guess Lowe will play the role of Randy Johnson and come in to bail out Kim.

Looks like a moot point, as Kim has been left off the Sox LCS roster in favor of Todd Jones.

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Gastric ReFlux · 10-08-2003, 01:13 PM

DIE YANKEES DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

draven085 · 10-08-2003, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Hammer755
Looks like a moot point, as Kim has been left of the Sox LCS roster in favor of Todd Jones.

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This move was reportedly made because of the large homosexual population in New York City. Todd Jones is heading down there to kick some ass and show them what it's like to be a real man.

Curse my ass. It's these kinds of decisions that have helped establish the record of futility the Sox currently enjoy.

Gastric ReFlux · 10-08-2003, 01:21 PM

Who's starting the games tonight?

10-07-2003, 03:44 PM	#24
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10-08-2003, 04:16 AM	#32
MannyTrillo All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 664	In his career, Pedro is 9-8, 2.88 in 24 starts against the Yankees. Is that evidence that Pedro is somehow worse against the Yankees- above and beyond the fact that the Yankees tend to have a better lineup than most other teams- than he is against everyone else? Nope. I will say that I am not looking forward to this series. Unless the Sox sweep or win it 4-1, it will be more stressful than anything else. I have enough to worry about that I'm not really looking forward to coming home and being stressed out in front of the TV for 3 1/2 hours every night for the next week. The series with the A's has to rank as one of the best postseason series in recent memory, but I couldn't really appreciate it as a baseball fan. More than anything, I hope the Sox win the Series this year so that I can just relax and enjoy rooting for this team for the rest of my life, rather than having this overwhelming sense of gravity about everything that happens. __________________ Poster emeritus "Not butchery, dining!!" obt sk cmh ct President, A-1 Aces OT Posting Club Click here to join

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10-07-2003, 03:33 PM	#21
fat dude Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 392	Gee whiz, I thought sporr had some numbers. Nope.

10-07-2003, 03:36 PM	#22
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	fat d00d, all that matters when evaluating a pitcher's performance is his W-L record. Duh.

10-07-2003, 03:53 PM	#25
fat dude Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 392	Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

10-07-2003, 04:05 PM	#26
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I'm just saying that he's won less than 1/4 of his games against the Yankees. Nothing more, nothing less. As I said, his track record isn't that great.

10-07-2003, 04:08 PM	#27
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Judging him in a vaccum like that isn't particularly useful. How do other pitchers fair against the Yanks? What is his ERA? How do his DIPS numbers look? How has the pen faired in his outings? How much run support has he received?

10-07-2003, 04:12 PM	#28
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	For whatever reason, he doesn't have as much success against the Yankees. If you want to try to say that 4 wins in 18 starts is successful, then I guess I would disagree. Part of winning games is staying in long enough to be decisive. He hasn't done this in the last few years against them. If you look at those games start by start, you'll see that, generally speaking, whoever he is facing turns it up a notch against him. I don't expect any different in this series.

10-07-2003, 04:30 PM	#29
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	You thought this too. Good call on that one.

10-07-2003, 05:19 PM	#30
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	lol....I still do. It's just going to take another series.

10-08-2003, 10:39 AM	#34
fat dude Major Leagues Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 392	And my friends think I'm nuts about the Red Sox.

10-08-2003, 01:13 PM	#38
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	DIE YANKEES DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10-08-2003, 01:21 PM	#40
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Who's starting the games tonight?