Any utilities out there that generate VORP, WARP? - Page 2

Skipaway · 11-07-2003, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by kq76
But really, how often is that limited scope of .500 (or at least pretty close) applicable?

If I remembered it right, there is a graph in Win Shares showing how applicable that idea is.

I think it's not really bad. Only problems would be teams like the Tigers this year. Of course, if we pile all these minor problems with win shares all together...........

rangerforlife · 12-05-2003, 06:17 PM

It sounds like everyone is bashing on Win Shares for one reason or another... after reading the book several times through looking for serious errors, I don't think there's any reason to discard it outright, and that's what it sounds like most people are ready to do. I will grant that:

1) WS is a complex system,
2) James has to make some very arbitrary decisions - decisions that make it seem like he's "cooking the numbers".

And here is why I think WS is more useful than anything else yet developed:

1) It's comprehensive,
2) It places everything in context (park factors are only the beginning), and
3) It's another step in a valuable direction (trying to state a player's contribution to his team as simply as possible).

I would understand if someone read the whole book - carefully - and still wasn't sold on WS. There are several things that I don't buy. In fact, James admits several times in the book that he knows it's flawed, and he has no easy answers to working out those flaws. It sounds like people haven't read the book carefully enough - otherwise, they would understand that James is doing the best he can. His work with fielding stats alone is better than anything that's been developed so far.

Anyway, WS works, despite its massive complexity. I know I won't sell anyone who's not sold on it already, but surely one can try to see both sides of the coin.

12-05-2003, 06:17 PM	#22
rangerforlife Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: I want to hear from a clone! React to me!!! Posts: 225	WS input It sounds like everyone is bashing on Win Shares for one reason or another... after reading the book several times through looking for serious errors, I don't think there's any reason to discard it outright, and that's what it sounds like most people are ready to do. I will grant that: 1) WS is a complex system, 2) James has to make some very arbitrary decisions - decisions that make it seem like he's "cooking the numbers". And here is why I think WS is more useful than anything else yet developed: 1) It's comprehensive, 2) It places everything in context (park factors are only the beginning), and 3) It's another step in a valuable direction (trying to state a player's contribution to his team as simply as possible). I would understand if someone read the whole book - carefully - and still wasn't sold on WS. There are several things that I don't buy. In fact, James admits several times in the book that he knows it's flawed, and he has no easy answers to working out those flaws. It sounds like people haven't read the book carefully enough - otherwise, they would understand that James is doing the best he can. His work with fielding stats alone is better than anything that's been developed so far. Anyway, WS works, despite its massive complexity. I know I won't sell anyone who's not sold on it already, but surely one can try to see both sides of the coin.