Fast sim Historical League - Page 2

spleen1015 · 09-04-2003, 12:56 PM

I don't mind drafting with BOSI, but it has been my experience that drafing without using lists slows things way down. We have to have have a set time limit for each pick so that we could get through the draft. One person could hold up the draft for days at a time if we don't.

IatricSB · 09-04-2003, 01:18 PM

There would definitely be a time limit. If we have a two week schedule, I think we could do a round per day (with everyone submitting enough of a list to get through that round). Or we could do like 20CC where everyone gets in as large a list as they want and once their list is out, the CPU picks for them. But we definitely can't afford to have people take days to make a pick.

Dean Gordon · 09-04-2003, 01:26 PM

The off-season can be held to one week if you impose limits....

Free Agency - M-Th (r1-4)
Draft - Round 1, 2 are manual, with AI the rest and the draft has to be done by the Thursday...

That leaves the Spring Training for the Sunday and then the season kicks off on the monday again....

IatricSB · 09-04-2003, 01:57 PM

Since we will be trying to follow history, there won't be any free agency for quite a while.... I figure on having two rounds of drafting be manual (via lists submitted in BOSI) which could be done with one round per day. So off-season should only really need to be a few days long.

Jeremy Weimer · 09-04-2003, 03:21 PM

Sounds like it'll be fun, lets get this thing rolling already.

Woodchuck · 09-04-2003, 03:21 PM

I like the idea of one season every two weeks.

Cowboys3356 · 09-04-2003, 03:35 PM

Will we be using the Ankit database? Clearly the Lahman database requires too much editing especially with defensive stats. Of course with Ankit you have to watch out for duplicate players but after about 4-5 seasons that is no longer an issue. Also will the rookie class and original league file be edited for historical accuracy or just played as is?

IatricSB · 09-04-2003, 03:50 PM

Yep, plan on using the Ankit database. I'll do some minor editing to insure proper positions, steal ratings and a few other things. But mainly it will be what we get from Ankit. I also intend to use the one where they import with the stats they have after achieving a certain amount of playing time. That way a guy doesn't import with horrible ratings just because his first year he went 0 for 4.

scprideandms · 09-04-2003, 04:12 PM

From Ankits DB

8. If a batter had at least 4,500 ABs in his career, his debut year is now the first season in which he had more than 238 ABs.

9. If a batter had at least 1,350 ABs in his career, his debut year is now the first season in which he had more than 130 ABs.

10. If a pitcher had at least 1,450 IPs in his career, his debut year is now the first season in which he had more than 92 2/3 IPs.

11. If a pitcher had more than 434 IPs in his career, his debut year is now the first season in which he had more than 48 2/3 IPs.

12. Deleted all batters who debuted prior to 1996 and had less than 62 career at-bats. (2,296 batters affected)

Jeremy Weimer · 09-04-2003, 05:20 PM

What the hell is the Ankit Database? I only know about the Lehman one.

spleen1015 · 09-04-2003, 05:39 PM

The Ankit DB is a modified version of the Lahman DB. Ankit is the name of the guy who made the changes.

Basically, there are some problems when importing from Lahman. Ankit fixed some of them. None of them are truly show stoppers, but nice to have.

Jeremy Weimer · 09-04-2003, 05:46 PM

Ah, that's cool. Thanks for filling me in man, much appreciated.

Cowboys3356 · 09-04-2003, 06:05 PM

Yes nobody really plays with the Lahman except as a base for a league. After that you really should use the Ankit because it plays much better.

Any idea when this new league might start? Will we be using rosters as of 1900 or drafting? Also will we be following the actual MLB timeline as far as adding teams, moving teams, etc?

IatricSB · 09-04-2003, 06:15 PM

Everything will move fairly quickly. I expect to have the web site up this weekend (the site is there, just no pages yet). If we get all 16 owners, we could start things rolling within a couple of weeks. My original plan was to just use 1901 rosters to start out with and randomly assign the teams (which is what 20CC did). But some are asking for specific teams so I'm still considering options. If we want to get started faster though, it would be best to start with the original rosters. If enough people want to do a draft, we could but that would be more time consuming. I know you can run a rookie draft in BOSI, but I'm not sure if an initial draft can be run. Anyone know?

We will follow an MLB timeline. In 1904 we'll go to a 154 game schedule, all cities, nicknames, etc., will follow MLB History. Teams will be added in the appropriate expansion years.

Jeremy Weimer · 09-04-2003, 06:25 PM

I think we should just stick with original rosters. That way things can get started faster and we can start enjoying the league. I also like the idea of randomly assigning teams because then we don't have to worry about people fighting over teams and the like.

Jeremy Weimer · 09-04-2003, 06:27 PM

Also, anyone have a link where I can get this Ankit database? I'm interested in seeing what it's like.

spleen1015 · 09-04-2003, 08:19 PM

Hey Jeremy,

Follow this link. Look at the lnks in his sig.

Cowboys3356 · 09-04-2003, 08:36 PM

I would suggest just using original rosters. Since the goal is to sim 100 seasons there is no real advantage in having a certain team especially back in 1901. Also I would think that giving out teams on a first come first serve basis is not a bad idea and then just randomly assign the rest. People are more likely to stick with a league if they have their "hometown" team and once again there is no real advantage in having one team over another.

IatricSB · 09-04-2003, 08:51 PM

11 of the 16 spots are filled. E-Mail me if interested. For those who have signed up, I'll be sending a "group" E-Mail tonight. My goal is to have opening day a week from Monday!

Jeremy Weimer · 09-04-2003, 09:14 PM

Thanks for the link man.

09-04-2003, 01:18 PM	#22
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	There would definitely be a time limit. If we have a two week schedule, I think we could do a round per day (with everyone submitting enough of a list to get through that round). Or we could do like 20CC where everyone gets in as large a list as they want and once their list is out, the CPU picks for them. But we definitely can't afford to have people take days to make a pick. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

09-04-2003, 01:57 PM	#24
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	Since we will be trying to follow history, there won't be any free agency for quite a while.... I figure on having two rounds of drafting be manual (via lists submitted in BOSI) which could be done with one round per day. So off-season should only really need to be a few days long. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

09-04-2003, 03:50 PM	#28
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	Yep, plan on using the Ankit database. I'll do some minor editing to insure proper positions, steal ratings and a few other things. But mainly it will be what we get from Ankit. I also intend to use the one where they import with the stats they have after achieving a certain amount of playing time. That way a guy doesn't import with horrible ratings just because his first year he went 0 for 4. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

09-04-2003, 04:12 PM	#29
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	From Ankits DB 8. If a batter had at least 4,500 ABs in his career, his debut year is now the first season in which he had more than 238 ABs. 9. If a batter had at least 1,350 ABs in his career, his debut year is now the first season in which he had more than 130 ABs. 10. If a pitcher had at least 1,450 IPs in his career, his debut year is now the first season in which he had more than 92 2/3 IPs. 11. If a pitcher had more than 434 IPs in his career, his debut year is now the first season in which he had more than 48 2/3 IPs. 12. Deleted all batters who debuted prior to 1996 and had less than 62 career at-bats. (2,296 batters affected) __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

09-04-2003, 06:15 PM	#34
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	Everything will move fairly quickly. I expect to have the web site up this weekend (the site is there, just no pages yet). If we get all 16 owners, we could start things rolling within a couple of weeks. My original plan was to just use 1901 rosters to start out with and randomly assign the teams (which is what 20CC did). But some are asking for specific teams so I'm still considering options. If we want to get started faster though, it would be best to start with the original rosters. If enough people want to do a draft, we could but that would be more time consuming. I know you can run a rookie draft in BOSI, but I'm not sure if an initial draft can be run. Anyone know? We will follow an MLB timeline. In 1904 we'll go to a 154 game schedule, all cities, nicknames, etc., will follow MLB History. Teams will be added in the appropriate expansion years. __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

09-04-2003, 12:56 PM	#21
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,000	I don't mind drafting with BOSI, but it has been my experience that drafing without using lists slows things way down. We have to have have a set time limit for each pick so that we could get through the draft. One person could hold up the draft for days at a time if we don't.

09-04-2003, 01:26 PM	#23
Dean Gordon Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: vancouver, canada Posts: 354	The off-season can be held to one week if you impose limits.... Free Agency - M-Th (r1-4) Draft - Round 1, 2 are manual, with AI the rest and the draft has to be done by the Thursday... That leaves the Spring Training for the Sunday and then the season kicks off on the monday again....

09-04-2003, 03:21 PM	#25
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Sounds like it'll be fun, lets get this thing rolling already.

09-04-2003, 03:21 PM	#26
Woodchuck Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 39	I like the idea of one season every two weeks.

09-04-2003, 03:35 PM	#27
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	Will we be using the Ankit database? Clearly the Lahman database requires too much editing especially with defensive stats. Of course with Ankit you have to watch out for duplicate players but after about 4-5 seasons that is no longer an issue. Also will the rookie class and original league file be edited for historical accuracy or just played as is?

09-04-2003, 05:20 PM	#30
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	What the hell is the Ankit Database? I only know about the Lehman one.

09-04-2003, 05:39 PM	#31
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,000	The Ankit DB is a modified version of the Lahman DB. Ankit is the name of the guy who made the changes. Basically, there are some problems when importing from Lahman. Ankit fixed some of them. None of them are truly show stoppers, but nice to have.

09-04-2003, 05:46 PM	#32
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Ah, that's cool. Thanks for filling me in man, much appreciated.

09-04-2003, 06:05 PM	#33
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	Yes nobody really plays with the Lahman except as a base for a league. After that you really should use the Ankit because it plays much better. Any idea when this new league might start? Will we be using rosters as of 1900 or drafting? Also will we be following the actual MLB timeline as far as adding teams, moving teams, etc?

09-04-2003, 06:25 PM	#35
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	I think we should just stick with original rosters. That way things can get started faster and we can start enjoying the league. I also like the idea of randomly assigning teams because then we don't have to worry about people fighting over teams and the like.

09-04-2003, 06:27 PM	#36
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Also, anyone have a link where I can get this Ankit database? I'm interested in seeing what it's like.

09-04-2003, 08:19 PM	#37
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,000	Hey Jeremy, Follow this link. Look at the lnks in his sig.

09-04-2003, 08:36 PM	#38
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,572	I would suggest just using original rosters. Since the goal is to sim 100 seasons there is no real advantage in having a certain team especially back in 1901. Also I would think that giving out teams on a first come first serve basis is not a bad idea and then just randomly assign the rest. People are more likely to stick with a league if they have their "hometown" team and once again there is no real advantage in having one team over another.

09-04-2003, 08:51 PM	#39
IatricSB Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 3,493	11 of the 16 spots are filled. E-Mail me if interested. For those who have signed up, I'll be sending a "group" E-Mail tonight. My goal is to have opening day a week from Monday! __________________ Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" Chicago(N) - Boys of Summer Oakland - 20th Century League Bakersfield - Wild Things Brooklyn - QBA Dodge City - NBSL California - ABC Dodger's Senioriest fan on the OOTP Boards

09-04-2003, 09:14 PM	#40
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Thanks for the link man.