League Idea-Careers Shortened - Page 2

jaxmagicman · 08-20-2003, 03:45 PM

Archibal "Moonlight" Graham

jaxmagicman · 08-20-2003, 03:47 PM

Ken Griffey Jr.

Raidergoo · 08-20-2003, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt from TN
Tom Esasky (vertigo)

Nick Esasky

http://www.baseball-reference.com/e/esaskni01.shtml

jaxmagicman · 08-20-2003, 03:51 PM

Don Mattingly

jaxmagicman · 08-20-2003, 03:51 PM

Tony Oliva

jaxmagicman · 08-20-2003, 03:53 PM

Buttons Briggs
19th-century pitcher, reached the majors with the Chicago Cubs at the age of 20 in 1896. Pitched very poorly in '97 and '98, possibly due to arm trouble, then dropped out of the major leagues. Re-emerged to pitch well in 1904 and 1905, then disappeared again.

Ed Correa
Posted 4.23 ERA for the Texas Rangers in 1986 at age 20. A hard-thrower with control trouble, like Sabathia, Correa blew out his shoulder in 1987 and never pitched in the major leagues again.

Johnny Podres
Started 18 games for the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1953 at age 20. Overshadowed by Koufax and Drysdale in the late 50s and early 60s, but a decent, occasionally excellent, pitcher. Career record of 148-116, with ERA+ of 105.

Dave McNally
Went 7-8, 4.58 for Baltimore Orioles in 1963 at age 20. Note that his ERA+ was just 77, compared to Sabathia's at 103. One of the weaknesses of the Similarity Score method is that it doesn't account for differences across eras, so we have to make a mental adjustment for that. McNally, like Podres, was successful and sometimes outstanding. Career record of 184-119, with ERA+ of 106.

Cannonball Titcomb
Started 12 games for Philadelphia in the American Association and New York in the National League at age 20 in 1887. Pitched well in 1888 at age 21, then got hurt in 1889. Came back to post mediocre numbers in 1890, then disappeared.

Bullet Joe Bush
Went 15-6 for the Philadelphia Athletics in 1913 at age 20. Lasted in the majors until 1928, with several excellent seasons, but also some very poor ones. One of the harder throwers of his day, but hampered by control troubles at times. Career record of 195-183, with ERA+ of 99.

Mickey McDermott
Pitched as a swingman for the Red Sox in 1949 at age 20. Had control trouble, but pitched pretty well for the Sox and Senators throughout the early 1950s. Faded quickly and fell out of the major leagues by the time he was 30. Career mark of 69-69 with ERA+ of 105.

Catfish Hunter
Pitched as a teenager for the K.C. Athletics in 1965 and at age 20 in 1966, posting below average numbers but holding his own. Broke through with strong season in 1967, developing into a durable inning-eater and marginal Hall of Famer. Career marks of 224-166 with ERA+ of 104. There are superior pitchers who didn't make the Hall, but he was the best pitcher on this list.

Joe Coleman
Started 22 games for the Washington Senators in 1967 at age 20. Another hard thrower, he exceeded 280 innings four consecutive seasons for the Tigers in the early 1970s. He paid for that with an early exit from the game, being washed up by the time he was 30. Career record of 142-135 with ERA+ of 98.

Virgil Cheeves
Started 22 games for the Cubs in 1921 at age 20. He pitched well in 1922, then hurt his arm in 1923 and drifted to the minor leagues.

Let's cut the two 19th-century guys, since conditions in the game were radically different then. That leaves Correa, Podres, McNally, Bush, McDermott, Hunter, Coleman, and Cheeves. Breaking this down further:

jaxmagicman · 08-20-2003, 03:56 PM

Oh, and Rick Ankiel

Gastric ReFlux · 08-20-2003, 04:16 PM

Eddie Gaedel

draven085 · 08-20-2003, 04:45 PM

Can't forget Deion "Prime Time" Sanders!!

Tim Nearhing

scprideandms · 08-20-2003, 04:55 PM

80 and counting (some may not make it after further research) plus I've got to find all war (I, II, Korea, Vietnam???)

Springtime_for_Hunter · 08-20-2003, 04:59 PM

A couple speedsters from the '80s: Vince Coleman and Juan Samuel.

Zoilo Versailles.

marc · 08-20-2003, 05:45 PM

dont know if any mentioned this one yet, former reds SP Jose Rijo

scprideandms · 08-20-2003, 05:50 PM

Rijo reminded me of Wayne Simpson

draven085 · 08-20-2003, 06:07 PM

JR Richard?

Rasmuth · 08-20-2003, 09:11 PM

Some of these probably mentioned already:

Steve Busby
Don Mattingly (mentioned already?)
Tony Conigliaro
Dave Dravecky
Dick Hughes (1967 Cardinals)
Ray Fosse
Denny McClain
Jim Nash
Lyman Bostock
Masanori Murakami
Ken Hubbs
Andy Messersmith
Karl Spooner
Ralph Branca

I'm sure theres lots more!

twins15 · 08-20-2003, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Eddie Gaedel

I was hoping nobody would say that so I could have. You always have to ruin the fun.

scprideandms · 08-21-2003, 09:30 AM

93 now....pending further research

Al Nichols
Albert Belle
Andy Messersmith
Archibald Graham
B Estallella Sr
Benny Kauff
Bill Craver
Billy Chapman
Bo Jackson
Buck Weaver
Catfish Hunter
Charles Risberg
Charlie Keller
Chick Gandil
Chris Sabo
Claude Williams
Darryl Strawberry
Daryl Kile
Dave Dravecky
Dave McNally
Deion Sanders
Denny McLain
Dick Hughes
Dickie Kerr
Don Mattingly
Dwight Gooden
Ed Cicotte
Ed Correa
Ed Duffy
Eugene Paulette
Fred McMullin
George Bechtel
George Hall
Herb Score
Jackie Robinson
Jim Devlin
Jim Nash
Jimmy O'Connell
Joe Bush
Joe Coleman
Joe Gedeon
Joe Hauser
Joe Jackson
Joe Wood
Johnny Podres
Jose Canseco
Juan Samuel
Karl Spooner
Ken Hubbs
Kirby Puckett
Korean
Lee Magee
Lenny Dykstra
Luke Easter
Lyman Bostock
Mark Fydrych
Masanori Murakami
Mickey Mantle
Mickey McDermott
Mike Darr
Monte Irvin
Nick Esasky
Nick Maddux
Oscar Felsch
Oscar Walker
Phil Douglas
Ralph Branca
Ray Fisher
Ray Fosse
Rick Ankiel
Roberto Clemente
Roy Campanella
Sandy Koufax
Satchel Paige
Seth Gresinger
Steve Bechler
Steve Busby
Steve Howe
Steve Olin
Thomas Devyr
Thurman Munson
Tim Crews
Tim Nehring
Tom Browning
Tony Conigliaro
Tony Oliva
Tony Saunders
Vince Coleman
Virgil Cheeves
William Wansley
Win Mercer
Zolio Versailles

Rasmuth · 08-21-2003, 12:31 PM

some more:

Ron Bryant
Sam McDowell
Jim Gentile
Joe Charboneau
Len Barker
Ken Kravec
Dick Radatz
Don Gullett
Gary Nolan
Floyd Youmans

More to follow!

draven085 · 08-21-2003, 01:39 PM

How about:

Nolan Ryan
Jessie Orosco
Minnie Minoso
Hoyt Wilhelm
The Niekro Brothers

scprideandms · 08-21-2003, 02:08 PM

so so funny Raven

08-20-2003, 03:45 PM	#21
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Archibal "Moonlight" Graham __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

08-20-2003, 03:47 PM	#22
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Ken Griffey Jr. __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

08-20-2003, 03:51 PM	#24
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Don Mattingly __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

08-20-2003, 03:51 PM	#25
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Tony Oliva __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

08-20-2003, 03:53 PM	#26
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Buttons Briggs 19th-century pitcher, reached the majors with the Chicago Cubs at the age of 20 in 1896. Pitched very poorly in '97 and '98, possibly due to arm trouble, then dropped out of the major leagues. Re-emerged to pitch well in 1904 and 1905, then disappeared again. Ed Correa Posted 4.23 ERA for the Texas Rangers in 1986 at age 20. A hard-thrower with control trouble, like Sabathia, Correa blew out his shoulder in 1987 and never pitched in the major leagues again. Johnny Podres Started 18 games for the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1953 at age 20. Overshadowed by Koufax and Drysdale in the late 50s and early 60s, but a decent, occasionally excellent, pitcher. Career record of 148-116, with ERA+ of 105. Dave McNally Went 7-8, 4.58 for Baltimore Orioles in 1963 at age 20. Note that his ERA+ was just 77, compared to Sabathia's at 103. One of the weaknesses of the Similarity Score method is that it doesn't account for differences across eras, so we have to make a mental adjustment for that. McNally, like Podres, was successful and sometimes outstanding. Career record of 184-119, with ERA+ of 106. Cannonball Titcomb Started 12 games for Philadelphia in the American Association and New York in the National League at age 20 in 1887. Pitched well in 1888 at age 21, then got hurt in 1889. Came back to post mediocre numbers in 1890, then disappeared. Bullet Joe Bush Went 15-6 for the Philadelphia Athletics in 1913 at age 20. Lasted in the majors until 1928, with several excellent seasons, but also some very poor ones. One of the harder throwers of his day, but hampered by control troubles at times. Career record of 195-183, with ERA+ of 99. Mickey McDermott Pitched as a swingman for the Red Sox in 1949 at age 20. Had control trouble, but pitched pretty well for the Sox and Senators throughout the early 1950s. Faded quickly and fell out of the major leagues by the time he was 30. Career mark of 69-69 with ERA+ of 105. Catfish Hunter Pitched as a teenager for the K.C. Athletics in 1965 and at age 20 in 1966, posting below average numbers but holding his own. Broke through with strong season in 1967, developing into a durable inning-eater and marginal Hall of Famer. Career marks of 224-166 with ERA+ of 104. There are superior pitchers who didn't make the Hall, but he was the best pitcher on this list. Joe Coleman Started 22 games for the Washington Senators in 1967 at age 20. Another hard thrower, he exceeded 280 innings four consecutive seasons for the Tigers in the early 1970s. He paid for that with an early exit from the game, being washed up by the time he was 30. Career record of 142-135 with ERA+ of 98. Virgil Cheeves Started 22 games for the Cubs in 1921 at age 20. He pitched well in 1922, then hurt his arm in 1923 and drifted to the minor leagues. Let's cut the two 19th-century guys, since conditions in the game were radically different then. That leaves Correa, Podres, McNally, Bush, McDermott, Hunter, Coleman, and Cheeves. Breaking this down further: __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

08-20-2003, 03:56 PM	#27
jaxmagicman Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Retired defloration-maker living in Myrtle Beach, SC Posts: 7,801	Oh, and Rick Ankiel __________________ See ID Major League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with permission of MLB Advanced Media, L.P. Minor League Baseball trademarks and copyrights are used with the permission of Minor League Baseball. All rights reserved.

08-20-2003, 04:16 PM	#28
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350	Eddie Gaedel

08-20-2003, 04:45 PM	#29
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	Can't forget Deion "Prime Time" Sanders!! Tim Nearhing

08-20-2003, 04:55 PM	#30
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	80 and counting (some may not make it after further research) plus I've got to find all war (I, II, Korea, Vietnam???) __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

08-20-2003, 04:59 PM	#31
Springtime_for_Hunter All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 846	A couple speedsters from the '80s: Vince Coleman and Juan Samuel. Zoilo Versailles. __________________ "Only the utterly impossible, the inexpressibly fantastic, can ever be plausible again" Red Smith, New York Herald-Tribune, October 4, 1951

08-20-2003, 05:45 PM	#32
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	dont know if any mentioned this one yet, former reds SP Jose Rijo __________________

08-20-2003, 05:50 PM	#33
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	Rijo reminded me of Wayne Simpson __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

08-20-2003, 06:07 PM	#34
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	JR Richard?

08-20-2003, 09:11 PM	#35
Rasmuth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Upstate Western NY Posts: 1,760	Some of these probably mentioned already: Steve Busby Don Mattingly (mentioned already?) Tony Conigliaro Dave Dravecky Dick Hughes (1967 Cardinals) Ray Fosse Denny McClain Jim Nash Lyman Bostock Masanori Murakami Ken Hubbs Andy Messersmith Karl Spooner Ralph Branca I'm sure theres lots more! __________________ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=250426

08-21-2003, 09:30 AM	#37
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	93 now....pending further research Al Nichols Albert Belle Andy Messersmith Archibald Graham B Estallella Sr Benny Kauff Bill Craver Billy Chapman Bo Jackson Buck Weaver Catfish Hunter Charles Risberg Charlie Keller Chick Gandil Chris Sabo Claude Williams Darryl Strawberry Daryl Kile Dave Dravecky Dave McNally Deion Sanders Denny McLain Dick Hughes Dickie Kerr Don Mattingly Dwight Gooden Ed Cicotte Ed Correa Ed Duffy Eugene Paulette Fred McMullin George Bechtel George Hall Herb Score Jackie Robinson Jim Devlin Jim Nash Jimmy O'Connell Joe Bush Joe Coleman Joe Gedeon Joe Hauser Joe Jackson Joe Wood Johnny Podres Jose Canseco Juan Samuel Karl Spooner Ken Hubbs Kirby Puckett Korean Lee Magee Lenny Dykstra Luke Easter Lyman Bostock Mark Fydrych Masanori Murakami Mickey Mantle Mickey McDermott Mike Darr Monte Irvin Nick Esasky Nick Maddux Oscar Felsch Oscar Walker Phil Douglas Ralph Branca Ray Fisher Ray Fosse Rick Ankiel Roberto Clemente Roy Campanella Sandy Koufax Satchel Paige Seth Gresinger Steve Bechler Steve Busby Steve Howe Steve Olin Thomas Devyr Thurman Munson Tim Crews Tim Nehring Tom Browning Tony Conigliaro Tony Oliva Tony Saunders Vince Coleman Virgil Cheeves William Wansley Win Mercer Zolio Versailles __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.

08-21-2003, 12:31 PM	#38
Rasmuth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Upstate Western NY Posts: 1,760	some more: Ron Bryant Sam McDowell Jim Gentile Joe Charboneau Len Barker Ken Kravec Dick Radatz Don Gullett Gary Nolan Floyd Youmans More to follow! __________________ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/defa...?bandID=250426

08-21-2003, 01:39 PM	#39
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	How about: Nolan Ryan Jessie Orosco Minnie Minoso Hoyt Wilhelm The Niekro Brothers

08-21-2003, 02:08 PM	#40
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	so so funny Raven __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.