AI not filling Personnel Positions

[snepp]

Originally Posted by atlbrave1

Just want to make sure I understand the exact impact this issue is having on my sims that I am setting up.

Assuming Lukas is right and that it's fixed in the next update (which I have no reason to doubt), there won't be an issue left to worry about.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by snepp

Assuming Lukas is right and that it's fixed in the next update (which I have no reason to doubt), there won't be an issue left to worry about.

Exactly. Thank you for putting that poor suffering horse out of it's misery.

[snepp]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Exactly. Thank you for putting that poor suffering horse out of it's misery.

Hah, optimist!

[malor]

Originally Posted by atlbrave1

How much better? Can you point me to your test where you set up all teams with the exact same rosters, then simulated multiple saves of seasons with various personnel setups so that you were able to measure the impact of coaching on development? Did you also account for any impact Talent Change randomness had outside of the coaching? Also I am assuming that you have also determined that the AI is always hiring the best coaches possible for those filled positions since you didn't mention any issues there. Just want to make sure I understand the exact impact this issue is having on my sims that I am setting up.

Nope. Can't do any of that. I'm not a paid game tester, I'm a game player.

I'm basing my statements on what the developers told us when they added those features. If, as you say, coaches do nothing, then we the players have been swindled and should immediately stop supporting this game and demand a refund of our payments.

Which one of us is correct, you or me?

[atlbrave1]

One, I didn't say coaches do nothing. I simply asked you how much better players develop with a manager than without. You could be curious and see if you can figure out how something works, or you could stomp your feet and throw your toy on the ground until Daddy buys you a new one. Pretty sure I know which one you are doing.

You stated in another thread that the game is not stable enough to play, tell people what they should do, yet you spent exactly zero time quantifying the impact of the issue. The fact that you did this for what was at the time and still is a relatively minor bug is well, sad. Grow up.

[malor]

Originally Posted by atlbrave1

One, I didn't say coaches do nothing. I simply asked you how much better players develop with a manager than without. You could be curious and see if you can figure out how something works, or you could stomp your feet and throw your toy on the ground until Daddy buys you a new one. Pretty sure I know which one you are doing.

You stated in another thread that the game is not stable enough to play, tell people what they should do, yet you spent exactly zero time quantifying the impact of the issue. The fact that you did this for what was at the time and still is a relatively minor bug is well, sad. Grow up.

For me the game is not stable, and I warned people to be careful starting long term saves or importing their leagues until the issue is fixed. I stand by that. Why risk it. I don't need to prove it has an impact OOTP Devs says it does. I do trust them to tell the truth about their product. Apparently you don't think it has an impact and disagree with OOTP Devs. Perhaps you should turn off coaching in your game. You could use the saved cash on more players.

[David Watts]

Stupid question time. Figured I would ask it here instead of starting a whole new thread. If coaching is turned off, do teams still have managers? Will there still be a manager of the year award? I've always just left coaching on, but I don't gm or manage, so the only time I really even pay attention to this aspect of the game is when the end of the year award is handed out, or a manager gets fired.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Stupid question time. Figured I would ask it here instead of starting a whole new thread. If coaching is turned off, do teams still have managers? Will there still be a manager of the year award? I've always just left coaching on, but I don't gm or manage, so the only time I really even pay attention to this aspect of the game is when the end of the year award is handed out, or a manager gets fired.

No, teams do not have Managers if you turn coaching off. Of course they are still managed by the AI, but you won't see any personnel listed on their team page.

Manager of the Year is an award that you decide if it gets awarded or not. You have to enable it in league setup. Whether it still does if coaches are off I don't know, never tried.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

No, teams do not have Managers if you turn coaching off. Of course they are still managed by the AI, but you won't see any personnel listed on their team page.

Manager of the Year is an award that you decide if it gets awarded or not. You have to enable it in league setup. Whether it still does if coaches are off I don't know, never tried.

Another question. With coaching turned off, will I still see teams doing things like batting the pitcher 8th in the lineup instead of 9th, or will all teams be run in identical fashion?

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Another question. With coaching turned off, will I still see teams doing things like batting the pitcher 8th in the lineup instead of 9th, or will all teams be run in identical fashion?

I can't say for sure because I always have Coaches on. However when they are disabled the teams still get managed as if they had a manager, it's just all behind the scenes. So strategy will still be applied and used.

Maybe create a test league and run some sims to find out.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

I can't say for sure because I always have Coaches on. However when they are disabled the teams still get managed as if they had a manager, it's just all behind the scenes. So strategy will still be applied and used.

Maybe create a test league and run some sims to find out.

I think I will just leave coaching on. Not a huge deal, was just curious.

[malor]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Another question. With coaching turned off, will I still see teams doing things like batting the pitcher 8th in the lineup instead of 9th, or will all teams be run in identical fashion?

My understanding (so take it for what you will) when coaching was introduced, it provided a way for the player to customize the type of training/development received based on the type of coaches hired.

If you play without coaching, you do get generic "development help", but you don't control it. So following that train of thought, if coaching is on, and you don't have coaches hired, that implies players get zero help with development. So if you play and make sure you hired coaches and the AI does not, you should receive an advantage.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by malor

My understanding (so take it for what you will) when coaching was introduced, it provided a way for the player to customize the type of training/development received based on the type of coaches hired.

If you play without coaching, you do get generic "development help", but you don't control it. So following that train of thought, if coaching is on, and you don't have coaches hired, that implies players get zero help with development. So if you play and make sure you hired coaches and the AI does not, you should receive an advantage.

I'm coming at this from an completely different angle. I play the game in what you could call commissioner mode or fan mode. I don't manage or gm. All the teams in my league are controlled by the computer. I've always used coaching, as I figured doing so would make it more likely that each team is run a little bit differently from the other. Got to thinking maybe coaching was separate from managing in OOTP. In other words, I wondered if turning coaching off would simply mean teams didn't have coaches, but would still have a manager. Not the case, so I will leave coaching on.