I cant stand owners that - Page 2

Antonin · 05-27-2003, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Plutoro
I can live with new owners.
I can live with guys who just arn't all that good.

But when people ruin the realism I start to get annoyed. I mean doing what you want is fine,go out and sign anyone u want but dont come in and quickly dismantle a WS winner and start to "rebuild" and get annoyed a year into that when your not winning and trade for a bunch of crapy vets thus ruining a team.

Maybe you should stick to solo leagues, then. That way you can run every team the way you want and have your version of "realism" play out for an infinite number of seasons.

I really do think that super-uber-elite league is a good idea. That way all you grognards can have things your way, wheel and deal and trade 17 guys per sim and be happy with your uber-ness.

I'm not sure why you think it's your business if somebody comes in and "quickly dismantles a WS winner"--it's not your team, is it? Why should you care, then? If I were playing in an historical league and I got a team with Albert Belle as a player, I would immediately trade him, no matter how bleeding good he is--simply because I came to strongly dislike the RL Albert Belle. But in your league, I would be criticized for doing that. Hmph!

You are contradicting yourself by saying "doing what you want is fine," and then complaining if an owner does exactly that. Does an owner have to consult with you before launching a rebuilding program? What if he doesn't care about winning the WS, but just wants to break .500 and be financially solvent and develop his farm system and build an interesting back-story for his team and have some fun? All of those things would be my goals in an online league, because I'm just not that well-versed in the game (OOTP or RL baseball) to know how to go for the jugular every year. To me it's all just fun.

I wish all you uber-guys would post all your leagues in your sigs so I can stay the heck away from them.

couriers · 05-27-2003, 09:17 PM

Why are you getting so upset? Is it because there are other people that play this game that go about it differently than you do? You are bitching about other people having a problem with how others play the game yet that is exactly what your problem is. Seems to me that you are the one contradicting yourself.

Xpander17 · 05-27-2003, 10:15 PM

Antione would be in support of ties in games....Game 6 of the WS ends in.............. a tie....well we all had fun and thats never happened before so I guess it's ok. Now thats and interesting back story.

Xpander17 · 05-27-2003, 10:17 PM

Online Leagues are Fun......Play how you want......As a Gm in OOTP you could put a whole team of Gonzalez's in the field and that would be cool... Have Fun

LedgerSko · 05-27-2003, 10:42 PM

I had 5 Gonzalez in the system once

Antonin · 05-27-2003, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by couriers
Why are you getting so upset? Is it because there are other people that play this game that go about it differently than you do? You are bitching about other people having a problem with how others play the game yet that is exactly what your problem is. Seems to me that you are the one contradicting yourself.

Uhhhh...I'm not the one who started this thread. And I didn't post any of the first few responses. Really, the people who have complaints about how other people manage their teams have the problems. If you can't see that, well, hey, I shrug my shoulders.

Read what I wrote, friend. Obviously, you didn't.

And as for me being "in support of ties in games," xpander17, I do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Sorry.

Xpander17 · 05-27-2003, 11:30 PM

I thought the goal of online leagues was to test you management skills with real players.. If you just want to break .500 so years be make some money to play with your farm system you should be playing solo leagues... Online leagues to me are like real baseball, which OOTP is a simulation of... Every team from the Devil Rays to the Yankees is trying to win every game in the MLB regardless if the WS is 1 year or 5 years away...

couriers · 05-28-2003, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by Antonin
Uhhhh...I'm not the one who started this thread. And I didn't post any of the first few responses. Really, the people who have complaints about how other people manage their teams have the problems. If you can't see that, well, hey, I shrug my shoulders.

Read what I wrote, friend. Obviously, you didn't.

And as for me being "in support of ties in games," xpander17, I do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Sorry.

I did read every word that you wrote. Since when did you need to start a thread in order to sound like a complainer? My point was that you sound just as bad as those that you are complaining about. They are complaining about how people manage their teams and you are complaining about them. Either way, you are complaining. I just call it like it sounds.

Since I have now entered the vicious cycle of complaining about something or someone, the same cycle that you have gotten yourself in as well, I will now stop. Good night.

Plutoro · 05-28-2003, 09:39 AM

Im not talking about individual trades or the average moves.

But when owners come in and ruin the balance of power in the league I get annoyed.

You obviously dont have any experience with the owners im talking about. If you did you would understand.

I couldn't care less if your team is competitive really, but when you ruin a franchise so nobody will take it and it will never be competitive yea i get pissed.

Thatwas my point, i have a tendence to word things wrong.

im not uber-great (uber is a funny word) really im just your average GM. BUT when a guy takes a team sells everthing off to one or 2 teams for a bunch of average prospects making the league no longer competitive i no longer get annoyed.

treedom · 05-28-2003, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Plutoro
Thatwas my point, i have a tendence to word things wrong.

im not uber-great (uber is a funny word) really im just your average GM. BUT when a guy takes a team sells everthing off to one or 2 teams for a bunch of average prospects making the league no longer competitive i no longer get annoyed.

so it doesn't annoy you anymore? or is this your 'tendence' resurfacing again??

CommishJoe · 05-28-2003, 11:15 AM

Personally, I won't join any leagues with too many rules. I also agree that it's your team to run/ruin. It does get annoying when they quit, leaving an awful team that almost no one wants, but to try to prevent it, you are ruining some of the fun of the league in general.

In 2002, I won the World Series with a team that was mainly built by Steinbrenner(We started with GForce's 2002 rosters). I wanted to see what I could do with it, so before the 2003 season began, EVERYONE on the ML roster except Soriano was gone and I finished at, or close to the bottom of the barrel in the TLB. In 2005, I won the World Series again. Was this "realism"? Nop. But it was a lot of fun

The only rules the TLB has are to fill in loopholes in OOTP. And, personally, I believe those are the ONLY rules that should be in place. When someone becomes the owner of the team, he should become the TRUE owner of it, free to do what he wants with it. Yes, you're risking him ruining it. However, IMO, it's not a league's job to babysit owners, no matter what the possible consequences(not including cheating of course).

goon · 05-29-2003, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by Plutoro
not so much in SMLB...a few instances (SF, DET) but not wide spread...

a perfect example was in a league called TBL, a brilliant tiger manager went and traded a bunch of picks and spes for Bernie Williams and rick reed...

Plutoro, don't take this the wrong way, but calling folks out that are currently active in 'our' league doesn't go over well...could've left that to be anonymous.

Also, are you one of those 'rebuilders'? See your sig below....

"SMLB-San Diego Padres: Pre-season 2003, currently rebuilding (year 1 of 5)."

Total Nirvana · 05-29-2003, 01:24 AM

As a commissioner who has faced this exact thing in the USBL, I know how it feels. It's really fustraiting. The last thing a commissioner wants to happend is for a GM to take a winning team, and ruin the entire team, and then quit. To me, I'm not sure that Antonio get this part, is when the GM quits when he is done taking down the team, is when it gets fustrating.

Yeah, a GM has the right to control his team however he wishes, but quitting while he is rebuilding a team is one of the worst things that can happend

05-28-2003, 09:39 AM	#29
Plutoro Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 276	Im not talking about individual trades or the average moves. But when owners come in and ruin the balance of power in the league I get annoyed. You obviously dont have any experience with the owners im talking about. If you did you would understand. I couldn't care less if your team is competitive really, but when you ruin a franchise so nobody will take it and it will never be competitive yea i get pissed. Thatwas my point, i have a tendence to word things wrong. im not uber-great (uber is a funny word) really im just your average GM. BUT when a guy takes a team sells everthing off to one or 2 teams for a bunch of average prospects making the league no longer competitive i no longer get annoyed. __________________ SMLB-San Diego Padres: Pre-season 2003, currently rebuilding (year 1 of 5). 15-22 now, Klesko and Burroughs are hot each hitting .325 plus, Bartosh and Keisler both making strong cases for RoY in the early season.

05-28-2003, 11:15 AM	#31
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Personally, I won't join any leagues with too many rules. I also agree that it's your team to run/ruin. It does get annoying when they quit, leaving an awful team that almost no one wants, but to try to prevent it, you are ruining some of the fun of the league in general. In 2002, I won the World Series with a team that was mainly built by Steinbrenner(We started with GForce's 2002 rosters). I wanted to see what I could do with it, so before the 2003 season began, EVERYONE on the ML roster except Soriano was gone and I finished at, or close to the bottom of the barrel in the TLB. In 2005, I won the World Series again. Was this "realism"? Nop. But it was a lot of fun The only rules the TLB has are to fill in loopholes in OOTP. And, personally, I believe those are the ONLY rules that should be in place. When someone becomes the owner of the team, he should become the TRUE owner of it, free to do what he wants with it. Yes, you're risking him ruining it. However, IMO, it's not a league's job to babysit owners, no matter what the possible consequences(not including cheating of course). __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

05-29-2003, 01:24 AM	#33
Total Nirvana All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 750	As a commissioner who has faced this exact thing in the USBL, I know how it feels. It's really fustraiting. The last thing a commissioner wants to happend is for a GM to take a winning team, and ruin the entire team, and then quit. To me, I'm not sure that Antonio get this part, is when the GM quits when he is done taking down the team, is when it gets fustrating. Yeah, a GM has the right to control his team however he wishes, but quitting while he is rebuilding a team is one of the worst things that can happend __________________ Total Hockey Commissioner Your Off-Topic Nightmare. Free Agent OT Player - Plays 1B/3B/OF, hits for power on all fields, great fielder, can hit .330 a season!

05-27-2003, 09:17 PM	#22
couriers All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Fla Posts: 932	Why are you getting so upset? Is it because there are other people that play this game that go about it differently than you do? You are bitching about other people having a problem with how others play the game yet that is exactly what your problem is. Seems to me that you are the one contradicting yourself.

05-27-2003, 10:15 PM	#23
Xpander17 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta, Buckhead Posts: 29	Antione would be in support of ties in games....Game 6 of the WS ends in.............. a tie....well we all had fun and thats never happened before so I guess it's ok. Now thats and interesting back story.

05-27-2003, 10:17 PM	#24
Xpander17 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta, Buckhead Posts: 29	Online Leagues are Fun......Play how you want......As a Gm in OOTP you could put a whole team of Gonzalez's in the field and that would be cool... Have Fun

05-27-2003, 10:42 PM	#25
LedgerSko All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,085	I had 5 Gonzalez in the system once

05-27-2003, 11:30 PM	#27
Xpander17 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta, Buckhead Posts: 29	I thought the goal of online leagues was to test you management skills with real players.. If you just want to break .500 so years be make some money to play with your farm system you should be playing solo leagues... Online leagues to me are like real baseball, which OOTP is a simulation of... Every team from the Devil Rays to the Yankees is trying to win every game in the MLB regardless if the WS is 1 year or 5 years away...