Old-Timey Logos & Eventually More: A Reboot - Page 2

tm1681 · 05-26-2023, 08:00 PM

Not accounted for in the previous two posts is that for 1881 the Manhattan Orangemen moved back to the NBBO and the New York Athletic Club joined the APBL. That's because their graphics all remained the same. Manhattan's name remained the same and NYAC changed their name to the New York Athletics.

What all the previous means is that the APBL was a 16-team league as of 1884. It had been divided into two divisions at that point: the Colonial Conference and the Metropolitan Conference...

I'll show how different the NBBO looked by that time, but that'll need some more explanation.

Jabez54 · 05-26-2023, 10:26 PM

Terrific work you have done with the APBL, mate!!
Liking this!

tm1681 · 05-30-2023, 04:35 PM

While the APBL was busy expanding and the NBBO was treading water, a bunch of the now semi-pro teams decided to get on the nickname bandwagon and no less than half of the 48 teams changed their names during the 1870s and 1880s.

The changes:

Auburn Base Ball Club --> Auburn Woodsmen
Binghamton Base Ball Club --> Binghamton Blue Jays
Diamond State B.C. --> Delaware Diamonds
Eagle Base Ball Club --> Elmira Golden Eagles
Gotham Base Ball Club --> Gotham Red Stockings
Granite Baseball Club --> New Hampshire White Pines
Green Mountain B.C. --> Vermont Green Stockings
Hilltop B.B.C. of Yonkers --> Yonkers Hilltoppers
Lake Erie B.C. --> Erie Lakers
Lancastra Britannia B.C. --> Lancaster Dukes
Merrimack Mills B.C. --> Lowell Textile Kings
Minuteman Base Ball Club --> Albany Minutemen
Oceanic Baseball Club --> Hartford Whalers
Pioneer Baseball Club --> Springfield Pioneers
Portland Baseball Club --> Portland Mariners
Quinnipiac Baseball Club --> Quinnipiac Elms
Reading Athletic Club --> Reading Athletics
Scranton Baseball Club --> Scranton Steamers
Sportsman's Baseball Club --> Fall River Marksmen
Susquehanna Baseball Club --> Wilkes-Barre Coal Barons
Syracuse Base Ball Club --> Syracuse Emeralds
Trenton United B.B.C. --> Trenton Ironclads
Utica Base Ball Club --> Utica Stompers
Victory Base Ball Club --> Troy Warriors

tm1681 · 05-30-2023, 04:39 PM

What this meant was that there were numerous logo changes and the NBBO looked like this by its final season in 1889:

NEW YORK LEAGUE

NORTHEASTERN LEAGUE

These teams will all pop up in new leagues, and I'll upload their graphic files then.

tm1681 · 05-30-2023, 04:54 PM

Also during that time, baseball spread to other areas of the in-game universe, with three leagues popping up in the Midwestern United States in 1882.

The first league was the Midwest's answer to the APBL, the Midwestern Baseball League (MWBA). It started life with ten teams:

You might be wondering, "Where are the teams in places like Minneapolis/St. Paul and Kansas City?"

Well, in the 1880s some notable Midwestern markets were nowhere near as large as they are today. While the cities in the MWBA ranged from 75,000 (Indianapolis) to 500,000+ (Chicago) at its foundation, cities like Minneapolis (~45,000), St. Paul (~40,000), and Kansas City (~55,000) were yet to resemble the large metropolises that they are today. However, those three cities would see their populations roughly triple over the next decade, while Omaha (Nebraska) exploded from 30,518 at the 1880 census to 140,452 just ten years later.

I'll include files for this league and the next two in a later post.

Some notes on names:

Cincinnati: one nickname is "Queen City of the West", and once had an NBA team by the same name.
Cleveland: founded by General Moses Cleaveland. Why the slight change from his name to the city name? Who knows...
Detroit: the robin is the state bird of Michigan.
Indianapolis: means "City of the Indians" and is located in Indiana, which means "Land of the Indians". So, I have them owned by a Native American.
Lake Michigan: their stadium is on Lake Michigan in Chicago and their nickname pays tribute to Chicago being the "Windy City".
Louisville: a tribute to Louisville Slugger bats.
Milwaukee: a nod to Wisconsin's German influence.
Missouri: the "Eastern" bluebird is the state bird of Missouri.

tm1681 · 05-30-2023, 05:12 PM

The second of the Midwestern Leagues is the Great Lakes Baseball Conference (GLBC), which also started in 1882 with ten teams.

This is meant to be a semi-pro league featuring teams in states that border the Great Lakes, with teams in those states as close to the Great Lakes themselves as possible.

The first ten teams...

If you know your geography you'll realize that Evansville is a bit of an exception since that city is in far southern Indiana, but of course you can't have a league with an odd number of teams. That said, they'll move before long.

A few notes about team names:

Dayton (OH): known as the Gem City, but people really aren't sure why that nickname exists.
Duluth (MN): the loon is the state bird of Minnesota.
Evansville (IN): home of the Angel Mounds (Mississippian) settlement.
Ft. Wayne (IN): was once just...well...a fort called Fort Wayne.
Saginaw (MI): grew around the lumber industry during the 19th century.
Toledo (OH): of course a MiLB team already exists with that name, but I like it.
Youngstown (OH): grew quickly after coal deposits were discovered in the 1830s.

tm1681 · 05-30-2023, 05:28 PM

Midwestern League #3 is the Baseball League of the American Prairie (PL). This is the league where Kansas City, Minneapolis, Omaha, & St. Paul play until their cities grow to 100,000+.

As with the other two, this league starts in 1882 with ten teams...

Notes on team names:

Des Moines (IA): the city once had a MiLB team called the Iowa Oaks.
Dubuque (IA): city was founded by French/Canadian trader Julien Dubuque
Minneapolis: a nod to the old NBA team the city had THAT LOS ANGELES STOLE!!!
St. Joseph (MO): was the starting point of the Pony Express.
St. Paul: one nickname for Minnesota is the North Star State

The quartet of KC, Minneapolis, Omaha, & St. Paul leave for the MWBA in 1890, and that's where I'll upload files.

Jabez54 · 05-30-2023, 06:26 PM

An exceptional work with these Leagues logo/uni sets, tm!!
Impressive unique touch you have there!

tm1681 · 05-31-2023, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabez54

An exceptional work with these Leagues logo/uni sets, tm!!
Impressive unique touch you have there!

Thanks again for the positive feedback

Always enjoy it when people other than me enjoy the things I've been goofing around with in my (now very finite) free time.

in the middle of the 1880s baseball spread to another area of the United States, with the Southeast finally getting its own league: the Southeastern & Atlantic League of Baseball (SEAL). This is the same year that the first notable Southeastern league popped up in real life.

We think of that region of the country as having numerous major population centers today - Atlanta, Charlotte, Richmond, Miami, etc. However, in the middle of the 1880s the Southeast was still sparsely populated. Richmond was the largest city in the Southeast with 63,000 people - depending on if you count Louisville as Southeastern or Midwestern - and with respect to the SEAL markets Atlanta was #2 with about 39,000. This is why there were only six teams at the onset of the Southeast's first professional league - few cities large enough to support professional baseball.

The six teams...

Notes on names:

Atlanta: a bit self-explanatory, but also a nod to the NHL team that's now in Calgary
Charleston: home to a defensive seawall during the 1800s called "The Battery", and also the name of a one of America's longest-running minor league soccer teams.
Memphis: a nod to the old USFL team, but there's also a riverboat in the city flag.
Richmond: Virginia was, and still is, a major tobacco producer.
Savannah (GA): known as a prosperous seaport during the Nineteenth Century.

Like the Midwestern leagues there will be changes in 1890 when there is a massive reorganization in American baseball. The SEAL adds teams, and I'll upload files at that point.

20_range · 05-31-2023, 11:15 PM

the second link asks for a one drive account. The first link worked for me, but did you stop adding to it?

Eager to replace the Syracuse Mets, Dayton Dragons and the angry Toledo Mud Hens

tm1681 · 06-01-2023, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 20_range

the second link asks for a one drive account. The first link worked for me, but did you stop adding to it?

Eager to replace the Syracuse Mets, Dayton Dragons and the angry Toledo Mud Hens

Maybe I'll just put the files from the second link up into the first one then. You're not the only person who's had that issue, and I actually ran into the same thing when I tested it in my phone.

tm1681 · 06-01-2023, 02:10 PM

I've moved all of the graphic, template, and quickstart files to the first link I posted in the thread - click here - and removed the password.

Hopefully that works.

EDIT: Okay let's try this

Jabez54 · 06-01-2023, 03:29 PM

The site prompt the password...

tm1681 · 06-01-2023, 04:49 PM

So we have a problem. I looked up what the issue was with people not being able to access the files and here's what Office 365 help tells me...

"Choose this option to share items with lots of people you might not even know personally. For example, you can use these links to post to Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn, or share in an email or message. Anyone who gets the link can view or edit the item, depending on the permission you set. Users with the link cannot upload new items. If the sharing link points to a folder, you may be required to sign in with a Microsoft account."

I can't exactly just put all of the individual files of a quickstart out on their own and have people download them all individually.

Jabez54 · 06-01-2023, 05:48 PM

We appreciated that you had tried... We will do it the old fashion way...
Select each logo... right click on mouse... see prompt "Save image as" into the desired folder... Pronto...

I have been doing this selection since I have been a member of OOTP... Of course, it would have been a lot easier but it is what it is...

All good, mate!

tm1681 · 06-06-2023, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabez54

We appreciated that you had tried... We will do it the old fashion way...
Select each logo... right click on mouse... see prompt "Save image as" into the desired folder... Pronto...

I have been doing this selection since I have been a member of OOTP... Of course, it would have been a lot easier but it is what it is...

All good, mate!

Also, you can just sign up for a Microsoft account with any old e-mail account and password while just entering a fake name and birthdate now. It's easier than what it used to be - don't have to have separate MS Office, OneDrive accounts, and so on. Don't need a Microsoft-based e-mail address (Outlook, etc).

Jabez54 · 06-07-2023, 12:34 AM

Thanks for the suggestion... was able to download the whole sets!

Many thanks, mate!

tm1681 · 06-07-2023, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabez54

Thanks for the suggestion... was able to download the whole sets!

Many thanks, mate!

Any time!

tm1681 · 06-07-2023, 01:09 PM

Getting closer to where I was when I got really sick...

So, after the SEAL league started there wasn't anything for about five years, and then there were a whole bunch of changes in 1890 in the in-game universe.

First, the two main pro leagues, the APBL and the MWBA formed an Association: the American Baseball Association. Also, the National Base Ball Organization ceased to be a single competition and split into three leagues - the New York League. the Northeastern League, and the New England Baseball Association - while also bringing the Great Lakes Baseball Conference and the Prairie League under its governance umbrella.

The two new associations:

tm1681 · 06-07-2023, 01:19 PM

The first ABA league, the American Professional Baseball League, was the only competition that didn't have any changes from the middle of the 1880s. It stayed at 16 teams split between the Colonial and Metropolitan Conferences:

The second ABA league, the Midwestern Baseball Association expanded from 10 to 14 teams in 1890: adding the Kansas City Bulls, Minneapolis Lakers, Omaha Stags, & St. Paul North Stars from the Prairie League:

The 14-team league would be a single division for 1890, but would split into an Eastern League and Western League for 1891, with the champions playing for the Lincoln Memorial Cup.

I have graphical files for both leagues uploaded to my OneDrive - both individually and a Zip folder containing everything.

APBL Graphic Files
MWBA Graphic Files

Again, if you need a Microsoft account to access the material at the links, you can sign up for one now with any e-mail address and a fake name/DoB.

05-26-2023, 08:00 PM	#21
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	Not accounted for in the previous two posts is that for 1881 the Manhattan Orangemen moved back to the NBBO and the New York Athletic Club joined the APBL. That's because their graphics all remained the same. Manhattan's name remained the same and NYAC changed their name to the New York Athletics. What all the previous means is that the APBL was a 16-team league as of 1884. It had been divided into two divisions at that point: the Colonial Conference and the Metropolitan Conference... I'll show how different the NBBO looked by that time, but that'll need some more explanation. Last edited by tm1681; 05-26-2023 at 08:21 PM.

05-26-2023, 10:26 PM	#22
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,136	Terrific work you have done with the APBL, mate!! Liking this! __________________ Always a pleasure to stop in and visit the neighborhood!!

05-30-2023, 04:39 PM	#24
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	What this meant was that there were numerous logo changes and the NBBO looked like this by its final season in 1889: NEW YORK LEAGUE NORTHEASTERN LEAGUE These teams will all pop up in new leagues, and I'll upload their graphic files then. Last edited by tm1681; 05-30-2023 at 05:31 PM.

05-30-2023, 04:54 PM	#25
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	Also during that time, baseball spread to other areas of the in-game universe, with three leagues popping up in the Midwestern United States in 1882. The first league was the Midwest's answer to the APBL, the Midwestern Baseball League (MWBA). It started life with ten teams: You might be wondering, "Where are the teams in places like Minneapolis/St. Paul and Kansas City?" Well, in the 1880s some notable Midwestern markets were nowhere near as large as they are today. While the cities in the MWBA ranged from 75,000 (Indianapolis) to 500,000+ (Chicago) at its foundation, cities like Minneapolis (~45,000), St. Paul (~40,000), and Kansas City (~55,000) were yet to resemble the large metropolises that they are today. However, those three cities would see their populations roughly triple over the next decade, while Omaha (Nebraska) exploded from 30,518 at the 1880 census to 140,452 just ten years later. I'll include files for this league and the next two in a later post. Some notes on names: Cincinnati: one nickname is "Queen City of the West", and once had an NBA team by the same name. Cleveland: founded by General Moses Cleaveland. Why the slight change from his name to the city name? Who knows... Detroit: the robin is the state bird of Michigan. Indianapolis: means "City of the Indians" and is located in Indiana, which means "Land of the Indians". So, I have them owned by a Native American. Lake Michigan: their stadium is on Lake Michigan in Chicago and their nickname pays tribute to Chicago being the "Windy City". Louisville: a tribute to Louisville Slugger bats. Milwaukee: a nod to Wisconsin's German influence. Missouri: the "Eastern" bluebird is the state bird of Missouri. Last edited by tm1681; 06-07-2023 at 01:33 AM.

05-30-2023, 05:12 PM	#26
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	The second of the Midwestern Leagues is the Great Lakes Baseball Conference (GLBC), which also started in 1882 with ten teams. This is meant to be a semi-pro league featuring teams in states that border the Great Lakes, with teams in those states as close to the Great Lakes themselves as possible. The first ten teams... If you know your geography you'll realize that Evansville is a bit of an exception since that city is in far southern Indiana, but of course you can't have a league with an odd number of teams. That said, they'll move before long. A few notes about team names: Dayton (OH): known as the Gem City, but people really aren't sure why that nickname exists. Duluth (MN): the loon is the state bird of Minnesota. Evansville (IN): home of the Angel Mounds (Mississippian) settlement. Ft. Wayne (IN): was once just...well...a fort called Fort Wayne. Saginaw (MI): grew around the lumber industry during the 19th century. Toledo (OH): of course a MiLB team already exists with that name, but I like it. Youngstown (OH): grew quickly after coal deposits were discovered in the 1830s. Last edited by tm1681; 06-07-2023 at 01:34 AM.

05-30-2023, 04:35 PM	#23
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	While the APBL was busy expanding and the NBBO was treading water, a bunch of the now semi-pro teams decided to get on the nickname bandwagon and no less than half of the 48 teams changed their names during the 1870s and 1880s. The changes: Auburn Base Ball Club --> Auburn Woodsmen Binghamton Base Ball Club --> Binghamton Blue Jays Diamond State B.C. --> Delaware Diamonds Eagle Base Ball Club --> Elmira Golden Eagles Gotham Base Ball Club --> Gotham Red Stockings Granite Baseball Club --> New Hampshire White Pines Green Mountain B.C. --> Vermont Green Stockings Hilltop B.B.C. of Yonkers --> Yonkers Hilltoppers Lake Erie B.C. --> Erie Lakers Lancastra Britannia B.C. --> Lancaster Dukes Merrimack Mills B.C. --> Lowell Textile Kings Minuteman Base Ball Club --> Albany Minutemen Oceanic Baseball Club --> Hartford Whalers Pioneer Baseball Club --> Springfield Pioneers Portland Baseball Club --> Portland Mariners Quinnipiac Baseball Club --> Quinnipiac Elms Reading Athletic Club --> Reading Athletics Scranton Baseball Club --> Scranton Steamers Sportsman's Baseball Club --> Fall River Marksmen Susquehanna Baseball Club --> Wilkes-Barre Coal Barons Syracuse Base Ball Club --> Syracuse Emeralds Trenton United B.B.C. --> Trenton Ironclads Utica Base Ball Club --> Utica Stompers Victory Base Ball Club --> Troy Warriors

05-30-2023, 05:28 PM	#27
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	Midwestern League #3 is the Baseball League of the American Prairie (PL). This is the league where Kansas City, Minneapolis, Omaha, & St. Paul play until their cities grow to 100,000+. As with the other two, this league starts in 1882 with ten teams... Notes on team names: Des Moines (IA): the city once had a MiLB team called the Iowa Oaks. Dubuque (IA): city was founded by French/Canadian trader Julien Dubuque Minneapolis: a nod to the old NBA team the city had THAT LOS ANGELES STOLE!!! St. Joseph (MO): was the starting point of the Pony Express. St. Paul: one nickname for Minnesota is the North Star State The quartet of KC, Minneapolis, Omaha, & St. Paul leave for the MWBA in 1890, and that's where I'll upload files. Last edited by tm1681; 06-07-2023 at 01:35 AM.

05-30-2023, 06:26 PM	#28
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,136	An exceptional work with these Leagues logo/uni sets, tm!! Impressive unique touch you have there! __________________ Always a pleasure to stop in and visit the neighborhood!!

05-31-2023, 11:15 PM	#30
20_range All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,412	the second link asks for a one drive account. The first link worked for me, but did you stop adding to it? Eager to replace the Syracuse Mets, Dayton Dragons and the angry Toledo Mud Hens __________________ I do logo requests @20_range on discord for easier discussions

06-01-2023, 02:10 PM	#32
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	I've moved all of the graphic, template, and quickstart files to the first link I posted in the thread - click here - and removed the password. Hopefully that works. EDIT: Okay let's try this Last edited by tm1681; 06-01-2023 at 04:47 PM.

06-01-2023, 03:29 PM	#33
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,136	The site prompt the password... __________________ Always a pleasure to stop in and visit the neighborhood!!

06-01-2023, 04:49 PM	#34
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	So we have a problem. I looked up what the issue was with people not being able to access the files and here's what Office 365 help tells me... "Choose this option to share items with lots of people you might not even know personally. For example, you can use these links to post to Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn, or share in an email or message. Anyone who gets the link can view or edit the item, depending on the permission you set. Users with the link cannot upload new items. If the sharing link points to a folder, you may be required to sign in with a Microsoft account." I can't exactly just put all of the individual files of a quickstart out on their own and have people download them all individually.

06-01-2023, 05:48 PM	#35
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,136	We appreciated that you had tried... We will do it the old fashion way... Select each logo... right click on mouse... see prompt "Save image as" into the desired folder... Pronto... I have been doing this selection since I have been a member of OOTP... Of course, it would have been a lot easier but it is what it is... All good, mate! __________________ Always a pleasure to stop in and visit the neighborhood!! Last edited by Jabez54; 06-01-2023 at 05:49 PM.

06-07-2023, 12:34 AM	#37
Jabez54 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Former Southie Posts: 2,136	Thanks for the suggestion... was able to download the whole sets! Many thanks, mate! __________________ Always a pleasure to stop in and visit the neighborhood!!

06-07-2023, 01:09 PM	#39
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	Getting closer to where I was when I got really sick... So, after the SEAL league started there wasn't anything for about five years, and then there were a whole bunch of changes in 1890 in the in-game universe. First, the two main pro leagues, the APBL and the MWBA formed an Association: the American Baseball Association. Also, the National Base Ball Organization ceased to be a single competition and split into three leagues - the New York League. the Northeastern League, and the New England Baseball Association - while also bringing the Great Lakes Baseball Conference and the Prairie League under its governance umbrella. The two new associations: Last edited by tm1681; 06-14-2023 at 01:09 AM.

06-07-2023, 01:19 PM	#40
tm1681 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,403	The first ABA league, the American Professional Baseball League, was the only competition that didn't have any changes from the middle of the 1880s. It stayed at 16 teams split between the Colonial and Metropolitan Conferences: The second ABA league, the Midwestern Baseball Association expanded from 10 to 14 teams in 1890: adding the Kansas City Bulls, Minneapolis Lakers, Omaha Stags, & St. Paul North Stars from the Prairie League: The 14-team league would be a single division for 1890, but would split into an Eastern League and Western League for 1891, with the champions playing for the Lincoln Memorial Cup. I have graphical files for both leagues uploaded to my OneDrive - both individually and a Zip folder containing everything. APBL Graphic Files MWBA Graphic Files Again, if you need a Microsoft account to access the material at the links, you can sign up for one now with any e-mail address and a fake name/DoB. Last edited by tm1681; 06-07-2023 at 02:07 PM.