Frustrated!

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

In the Team transaction log where is the move putting him on the 40-man? Maybe I missed it but I didn't see it.

A placement on the 40-man should generate a line item in the Complete Transactions Report. A straight pass through waivers attempt (intended or not) may not generate one unless the person is claimed though sometimes you can pull them back. A straight Waiver is different than a DFA & Waive which does create a line item.

The OP should have had 7 days to put Ohtani on the 40 man roster (or do whatever the hell he liked with him) after he signed him on the 13th. Unless he accidentally placed him on waivers - and there is NO indication he did - he should have just sat on the DFA list until the 20th.
This looks like a bug to me.

[jcard]

It is true that in MLB Active Roster players must also be on the 40-man. OOTP, I believe, follows this convention during the season. I think that I may recall, however, that the game might not enforce this during the offseason. It may be related to how the coding of the game was done so that you have active players in spring training games using the spring training roster without conflicting with the established coding for the 40-man roster: essentially turning off the 40-man rules until opening day and using the enabling the spring training rules when appropriate, rather than modifying the 40-man coding (though I do not know if either type of reserve roster rules apply before spring training begins). I presume this save is following a typical MLB calendar, with these January transactions taking place between seasons. Conjecture about “How?” and “Why?” aside, I would recommend at least finding out “Which?” rules are active “When?”. (Normally I would try to provide something more solid, but I do not have any version of OOTP currently installed.)

[AlpineSK]

My question: what's your ownership control level? Is this a case where you signed them and then your OWNER placed them on waivers?

[chriskelly]

must be a bug. Yanks would never waive Aaron Hicks.

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by haubs35

Here is the transaction Log. As you can see I placed hicks on waivers the day after I signed Ohtani.

Were there any other transactions on that screen (Yankees Complete Transaction Log) further down on the 13th? In testing, waivers should generate a line item and given a player sits on waivers for three days, the waiver placement should have been the 13th to be claimed on the 16th.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by wallewalls

That's never been the case for me... when I put a player on the active roster who was previously not on the 40 man, the game automatically adds him to the 40 man, assuming there is a spot available.

What happens is when you sign a player, they go to DFA limbo for the ten days or whatever it is. Sometimes you can end up forgetting about these players and if the Rule 5 happens, you can lose players this way. This also seems to happen to the AI from time to time, as I've seen players I just traded to an AI team available in the Rule 5 because they have yet to put them on the 40 man.

Most of my roster moves are when I set the AI not to make any roster moves. So I can easily stack as many players on the active roster without them being added to the 40 man. So not sure if this is a bug or as intended

[Mat]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Most of my roster moves are when I set the AI not to make any roster moves. So I can easily stack as many players on the active roster without them being added to the 40 man. So not sure if this is a bug or as intended

A player will be automatically added to the 40 man roster. You should find this is the case too. The only exception to this is adding players to the spring training roster during ST. If you are able to do otherwise, are you able to show an example?

For the OP, as mentioned already, a new major league signing will go to the DFA section.

He was not added to the active roster because when you do, the transaction log will show:

placed <player> on 40 man roster
placed <player> on active roster.

This is still a bug though because he should be able to remain on your DFA list until the window ends and then you are forced to add/demote/release. I don't think the waiver rules should apply in this case, but the game probaly cannot to tell the difference.

[wallewalls]

Yes, I think this is a bug. I don't know what would have caused it.

[LansdowneSt]

Well, I'll be darned. In the bug forum:

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=346446

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

Well, I'll be darned. In the bug forum:

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=346446

Saw this and reviewed FA signings in my game. Had only two, so far, in regular season as I'm in early May. Both went straight to the team that signed them and are still there.

The instances in both threads appear to be off season. Checked all FA signings in my game January through March up to opening day. Everybody went to their correct team or at least stayed in the organization, ie a couple were sent down to AAA. No players were waived or claimed.

I run pretty basic MLB rules, with the 4 25's for evaluation, scouting on with accuracy "normal".

Something in their settings?

[bigd51]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

In the Team transaction log where is the move putting him on the 40-man? Maybe I missed it but I didn't see it.

Even if they didn't put him on the 40-man after signing him, they would still get a notification saying they have a player on DFA who's time has run out.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by LansdowneSt

In the Team transaction log where is the move putting him on the 40-man? Maybe I missed it but I didn't see it.

That shouldn't matter. If you sign a player, but don't assign him anywhere, you'll get a message after 72 hours (three days) that you have a player who needs to be assigned to a roster. The player doesn't automatically go on waivers after those 72 hours. At least that's how the game has always worked in previous versions and it's how the rules work in real life. There could be a bug that caused the game to put him on waivers when OP didn't assign him to a roster, but that would be a bug, not a mistake by OP.

[wallewalls]

Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

That shouldn't matter. If you sign a player, but don't assign him anywhere, you'll get a message after 72 hours (three days) that you have a player who needs to be assigned to a roster. The player doesn't automatically go on waivers after those 72 hours. At least that's how the game has always worked in previous versions and it's how the rules work in real life. There could be a bug that caused the game to put him on waivers when OP didn't assign him to a roster, but that would be a bug, not a mistake by OP.

It's even longer than three days. It's ten, I believe.

[Dave Stieb II]

Originally Posted by wallewalls

It's even longer than three days. It's ten, I believe.

I'm going to split the difference and say the DFA period is 7 days. I'm pretty sure that is correct, but no absolutely. And, as has been stated, OOTP is programmed to warn you when the DFA period is ending.
In any case, the bug thread connected to the link provided above clearly shows that others have observed similar problems.

[BIG17EASY]

Originally Posted by wallewalls

It's even longer than three days. It's ten, I believe.

I think Stieb is right, it's seven. It's 72 hours to clear waivers, but seven days on the DFA list. My bad.

[s1murc1]

he lost him January 15th so unless he modified league schedule that would be after the rule 5. In all my play throughs rule 5 happens before the 1st of the new year and rule 5 is the only thing that should take a player off your team for not being on the 40-man roster.