2023 Market Sizes - Page 2

Le Grande Orange · 03-28-2023, 04:50 PM

I'd really like to see the revenue figures before revenue sharing. Undoubtedly, revenue sharing takes a considerable bite out of some club's revenue and enhances others.

If I recall correctly, the Blue Ribbon Panel report from 2001 (covering the 1995–2001 seasons) allowed one to calculate that based on MLB's own figures, but of course, that is old data using a different revenue sharing system.

Déjà Bru · 03-28-2023, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

For what it's worth, the real-world market sizes, revenue, and player expenses.

The market sizes are from the 2017-2021 CBA; the total revenue and player expenses (in millions of dollars) are from the Forbes 2023 club valuations report and are for the 2022 season. Revenue is net of revenue sharing, luxury tax, and stadium revenue used for debt service; player expenses include benefits and bonuses.

It isn't stated how the CBA determined the market size figures. Presumably it includes metro area population and media market size. Note that any club with a market size over 100 cannot receive revenue sharing.

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      Market  Total    Player
Club   Size  Revenue  Expenses
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NYA    235    657.0    262.0 
NYN    235    374.0    288.0 
ANA    178    371.0    196.0 
LAN    178    581.0    269.0 
CHA    124    276.0    213.0 
CHN    124    451.0    174.0 
TOR    119    294.0    200.0 
WAS    113    356.0    180.0 
PHI    111    398.0    255.0 
OAK    108    212.0     70.0 
SFN    108    421.0    179.0 
BOS    101    513.0    242.0 
TEX    101    366.0    165.0 
ATL     96    425.0    206.0 
HOU     93    407.0    207.0 
SEA     81    363.0    135.0 
MIN     76    267.0    172.0 
DET     74    260.0    158.0 
ARI     72    276.0    121.0 
TBA     72    248.0    119.0 
BAL     70    264.0     83.0 
COL     70    286.0    168.0 
MIA     69    238.0    104.0 
CLE     64    268.0     91.0 
SDN     60    324.0    243.0 
SLN     57    358.0    174.0 
PIT     56    262.0     81.0 
KCA     53    260.0    112.0 
MIL     52    294.0    149.0 
CIN     51    250.0    138.0

Thanks for this, too. PSUC imparts doleful news; my lifetime of "annually" adjusting market sizes back to where they should be will continue, alas. But, at least I have some good guidelines.

pauwoo · 03-28-2023, 07:08 PM

10 - nyy, lad, chc
9 - bos, nym, sf, atl
8 - laa, phi, hou
7 - tex, was, sea, tor
6 - cws, stl, sd
5 - col, ari, mil, min
4 - cle, bal, det
3 - pit, oak, tb, kc, mia
2 - cin

PSUColonel · 03-28-2023, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pauwoo

10 - nyy, lad, chc
9 - bos, nym, sf, atl
8 - laa, phi, hou
7 - tex, was, sea, tor
6 - cws, stl, sd
5 - col, ari, mil, min
4 - cle, bal, det
3 - pit, oak, tb, kc, mia
2 - cin

This may be too "top heavy" for OOTP finances to handle.

03-28-2023, 04:50 PM	#21
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	I'd really like to see the revenue figures before revenue sharing. Undoubtedly, revenue sharing takes a considerable bite out of some club's revenue and enhances others. If I recall correctly, the Blue Ribbon Panel report from 2001 (covering the 1995–2001 seasons) allowed one to calculate that based on MLB's own figures, but of course, that is old data using a different revenue sharing system. Last edited by Le Grande Orange; 03-28-2023 at 06:20 PM.

03-28-2023, 07:08 PM	#23
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