ACC votes to expand.

[cooper_gd]

Originally posted by PittPanther
This is a very silly post. If the Big East loses three teams, they will plunder those conferences and form a new league.

As for the comment that those teams "no longer matter...if they ever did", that was a below the belt shot and not realistic in any way.

I'm very sorry... I guess that being a life long fan of bad teams in college and pro sports has made me forget what it was like to have thin skin.

I'm sure that Pitt and the new Big East, if it happens, will be very good and the future is bright indeed.

That being said, I was wondering, if the Big East ACC deal goes through ----> 'cuse, Miami and BC to the ACC... and the new headliner in the Big East, as it stands, is VT... will they still be considered a BCS conference with an auto bid and so forth?

[PittPanther]

I don't have thin skin, your post is nonsense, as is your response.

How many national championships has Pitt won? I think you'd be very surprised if you knew your history. Plus, no matter what conference Pitt is in, they will get recruits. Western PA is a hotbed of college talent, always has been, always will be. Think back to some of the greatest pro/college players ever, many came from Pitt's backyard.

What makes you think Pitt wouldn't look to greener pastures anyway?

If the ACC expands, do you really think the Big Ten won't? Every major college league will look to expand to get a championship game and the money associated with it.

Even if that doesn't work, there are a myriad of other situations. So please, don't act as if whatever it is that you say is gospel. This hasn't even played out yet, and you are writing off every team in the Big East that isn't thinking about jumping ship.

Consider these football teams:

1. Pitt

2. Marshall (would love to be in a major rather than mid-major)

3. Penn St. (rumours about their unhappiness with the Big Ten have been circuating for some time)

4. WVU

5. Virgina Tech/BC (whoever is left)

6. Maryland (talk was in the paper this morning that Maryland could be pilfered from the ACC--far fetched? probably, but we can only wait and see)

7. Notre Dame (eventually they will join a conference with the BCS and so forth)

8. Louisville (up and coming mid-major)

9. Toledo (ditto)


and of course the other left overs. . .

Whatever happens AD's will be considering both football and basketball, which really puts the Panthers in good shape. I'm not going to sit here and write them off, or say they don't matter because cooper_gd says it will happen. I don't buy into hysteria or cheap shots either, as you seem to thrive on. Last time I checked Miami lost the national championship and they let little ole Pitt take em to the end.

In other words, forgive me if I don't think the world revolves around Miami, Syracuse, and B.C. Essentially the ACC will be taking 1 great team form the Big East when we talk football. BC and Cuse don't have great football teams at the moment.

See, anyone can give scenarios. You choose to be negative, I choose to be positive.

Finally, your sarcasm speaks volumes about you. And not even I can put a positive spin on that.

[cooper_gd]

LOL... yeah, your right. Try growing up a little man, I in no way was trying to make this into some flame war... you called me out, I said I was sorry and agreed with you, is that not what you wanted? Stop being a child and calling me out. I'm very sorry that you rely on Toledo and Louisville as the plan for your salvation...

Me? Long time fan of the Big East... you think I do not feel your pain? I'm a realist though (Louisville and Toledo aside)... and I know my Pitt History, thank you. I know about Marino and Dorsett, and national titles (France was once an Empire too)... A 900 paragraph post is not going to make the Big East or the Panthers any better. And neither is a freaking infirm teenage flame war started by your crying and whining.

Sarcasm? Yes... better than being some up-tight prig trolling around looking for someone to flame to make them feel better...

1. Pitt

2. Marshall (would love to be in a major rather than mid-major)

3. Penn St. (rumours about their unhappiness with the Big Ten have been circuating for some time)

4. WVU

5. Virgina Tech/BC (whoever is left)

6. Maryland (talk was in the paper this morning that Maryland could be pilfered from the ACC--far fetched? probably, but we can only wait and see)

7. Notre Dame (eventually they will join a conference with the BCS and so forth)

8. Louisville (up and coming mid-major)

9. Toledo (ditto)

Thank you for your positive post. The realist in your breaks on through . . .

[PittPanther]

As usual, and not unexpected, when in doubt go with an old fashioned ad hominen.

How exactly did I flame you again? By not agreeing with your post, or referring to your sarcasm as negative, or by saying that you don't preach the gospel?

I'm not sure. But I am sure about one thing, as probably most others can tell about you now

And I'll leave it at that.

[cooper_gd]

I'll assume that you mean ad hominem, and if my response came off as such, then it is only because I did not want to write a long post. Lazy and sarcastic = me, to be sure. But, for the sake of anti ad hominem . . .

This is a very silly post. If the Big East loses three teams, they will plunder those conferences and form a new league.

It was not a silly post, it was my opinion - one that I think is more valid than yours. Despite ad hominem claims, opinions can in no way be argued to a satisfying conclusion for either party. It's the nature of internet message boards... but, to satisfy your need for dissertations . . .

As for the comment that those teams "no longer matter...if they ever did", that was a below the belt shot and not realistic in any way.

This was basically a self-belittling remark that was my personal feeling in regard to the team that I follow. I am sorry that you took it personally.

1. Pitt
2. Marshall (would love to be in a major rather than mid-major)
3. Penn St. (rumours about their unhappiness with the Big Ten have been circuating for some time)
4. WVU
5. Virgina Tech/BC (whoever is left)
6. Maryland (talk was in the paper this morning that Maryland could be pilfered from the ACC--far fetched? probably, but we can only wait and see)
7. Notre Dame (eventually they will join a conference with the BCS and so forth)
8. Louisville (up and coming mid-major)
9. Toledo (ditto)

Maryland will not leave the ACC... Similar to NC schools, Maryland is basketball first... Notre Dame does not feel that they have to join a conference - they are Notre Dame after all. If the Irish did, it is unlikely that they would go to the Big East - but if so - it would HELP, no doubt, from a revenue POV especially. Penn St. is unlikely, I believe, as well - though more likely if the Irish were some how courted. As far as the N'Lions go, I can only go with a general feeling . . .I lived in Big 10 country for several years and it is true they have been a little unhappy, but a Big East without ND would be considered a huge step back for them - and I find it unlikely.

What makes you think Pitt wouldn't look to greener pastures anyway?

If the ACC expands, do you really think the Big Ten won't? Every major college league will look to expand to get a championship game and the money associated with it.

I'd like to know where I said that... if Pitt went to the Big 10, then subtract them from the list that I originally posted.

Finally, your sarcasm speaks volumes about you. And not even I can put a positive spin on that.

Gave me shivers it did. I said to myself, "Ouch son, now THAT hurt." But you were not trolling or flaming... I get it.

Now, if you would take your fandom blinders off... I said, previously, that I have thick skin because I typically root for losers and was sorry if you had thin skin. That was - once again - a self belittling remark in regard to the pro and college teams I pull for...I was, once again, not talking about Pitt as a specific.

See, anyone can give scenarios. You choose to be negative, I choose to be positive.

Yes, you have hit the nail on the head when it comes to message boards. The difference is I do not take it personally. Would it help if I put IMO in front of every sentence that I write?

I'm not sure. But I am sure about one thing, as probably most others can tell about you now

Pretty scary. Glad you speak for everyone... oh, but no one beside us is even reading this thread - stopped caring long ago. Maybe you should start a new thread, "My professional conclusions on cooper_gd's personality". The fact that no one on here really cares about my personality (or my posts for that matter) is beside the point..

And I'll leave it at that.

I can only hope.

I hope that I satisfied your ad hominem concerns. I know the peek into my dark psyche that was required to write this post has allowed me to actualize my own deepest feelings and fears. I feel much better and must thank you.

Now, here is some brew Let's pull up a couple of bar stools and quietly soak. We can talk about Honus Wagner and Randall Simon... Bradshaw and Mark Malone, Swann and Lipps . . .it's really all good... and just a message board.

[PittPanther]

According to the AP via espn, and a spokesman from Miami, the split in the Big East looks pretty much to be a done deal.

Miami, Syracuse, and B.C. will be in the ACC all by the 2004-2005 season if I read correctly. Anyway, it will certainly be interesting as to what will happen now. Unless of course, longshot here, that BC and Cuse say no.

I thought it was 3 seasons in the future, not 1, which definately will put a pinch on the remaining Big East football schools to do something.

Cooper, maybe your gloom and doom scenario will pan out after all; unless Pitt, WVU, and VaTech make a pitch to someone in a hurry they are going to have some problems in regards to football.

Non-conference scheduling might help a bit (no more South Florida St's on the schedule) but maybe not to the point that these schools will need.

Although it would be nice to see some unity, I guess it's every school for itself at this point.

The thing that really pisses me off about this whole deal is that it spits in the face of everything I enjoy about college sports, specifically traidition and identity.

When the Big East splits, so will many of the rivalries that have been created, especially in basketball over the last 20 some years.

Pitt already lost its major rivalry when Penn St. left the ranks of the indies for the Big Ten. This still kills football fans all over the commonwealth, both Pitt and PSU fans. Now it will lose basketball rivalries against Cuse and G-Town as well.

What is even worse is that in the end, they might be forced to drop the annual Backyard Brawl as well if WVU and Pitt aren't in the same football conference.

[TC Dale]

Well, I know this much. I am VERY curious to see what the Big East announces this weekend after their annual meeting. It will be a very interesting news conference.