With BABIP becoming a rating, what are some other ratings you would like to see added?

[Fabtron7]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

That’s true as well, sure, and maybe PT is exactly where it belongs - when everyone has awesome defense behind them, the philosophies of a Jim Palmer suddenly don’t feel so awesome after all. For that guy in that game, which is already pretty fantastical, you give him a pretend pitch to contact bonus because IRL if he was somehow in a league like that he’d probably try to strike out more guys.

Yeah historically those pitch to contact guys never get their due in PT, so hopefully it'll give those guys increased usefulness. It'll also be interesting to see if managers will be less hyper-focused on defensive ratings if they can build a staff that naturally suppress BABIP

[whaleheader]

I'd like to see HP rating visible because there can be a real impact on OBP. (Check out 2022 Dylan Moore.) It can be a differentiator between players, both batters and pitchers.

[r0nster]

in my opinion as I never needed it and its a rating or stat for us to see what we already know

[Leo_The_Lip]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

It’s being added to pitchers primarily for historical purposes, because from what I can gather, a few pitch to contact guys always underperform (Jim Palmer for example, who I still think you’d rectify just by making the defenses behind him better) and a couple other situations where for example extreme power pitchers don’t get the 10-15 point boost they get IRL (I’m told they do get something, but nobody wants to say what, it’s not based purely on overall stuff, and it appears to not be enough for guys like Warren Spahn and Tom Seaver).

TBH I think it’s partially a sop to historical players who don’t want to hear that their faves were a little lucky back in the day and partially a papering over of other issues with historical play. I’m sure it’ll still be popular amongst a certain crowd (chiefly that crowd who didn’t like it when OOTP went with the DIPS model in the first place and who continue to insist that some guys can just lower BABIP in spite of evidence).

Speaking of Palmer, shouldn't there be an "Avoid Grand Salami" rating in his honor? If you have ever heard him on a broadcast for more than 5 minutes, you'd know he never allowed a grand slam in his entire career.

[OutS|der]

How will this new rating work for importing previous games? Is the hidden rating now revealed or what?

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

How will this new rating work for importing previous games? Is the hidden rating now revealed or what?

In the base game, the rating will be hidden (similar to how the batter's babip rating is not viewed). It's merged in with the movement value, so players with a better BABIP will show with a better movement rating.

For imported games, all players are essentially given a roughly default value based on their pitch repertoire and some other info (which is actually roughly how it used to happen in the game anyways as we've always had some slight adjustments for knuckleballers and the like).

If your imported game is historical, then the next time ratings are recalculated, the historical players should start to be given this new rating.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

In the base game, the rating will be hidden (similar to how the batter's babip rating is not viewed). It's merged in with the movement value, so players with a better BABIP will show with a better movement rating.

For imported games, all players are essentially given a roughly default value based on their pitch repertoire and some other info (which is actually roughly how it used to happen in the game anyways as we've always had some slight adjustments for knuckleballers and the like).

If your imported game is historical, then the next time ratings are recalculated, the historical players should start to be given this new rating.

Thank you very much. That's everything I wanted to know.
Will this rating be editable and will it have current and potential ratings?

[Matt Arnold]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Thank you very much. That's everything I wanted to know.
Will this rating be editable and will it have current and potential ratings?

It is editable, yes. If set, it doesn't have current and potential. It can be left unset for players, though, in which case it will mildly have variety in current vs potential (and will also "age" as the other pitch ratings age). If it is set and you have the development engine on, it will vary with aging like other ratings, though. So it's not necessarily true that someone who was great early will always be great.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

It is editable, yes. If set, it doesn't have current and potential. It can be left unset for players, though, in which case it will mildly have variety in current vs potential (and will also "age" as the other pitch ratings age). If it is set and you have the development engine on, it will vary with aging like other ratings, though. So it's not necessarily true that someone who was great early will always be great.

Interesting. Thank you for the insight