Mound visits (I know this has been asked before..)

[Pelican]

Remember also that a mound visit normally includes the infielders and the catcher, of course, as well as the pitcher. So the Manager can ask the catcher “how’s he doing” or “what’s wrong”. Tell the pitcher to bring the heat or to stick to offspeed on a dead-red hitter. He can discuss and set the defense, suggest a pick-off trick play, or simply stall for time to let his reliever in the bullpen throw a few more pitches. Not that I expect the game to capture all of these nuances. But those things all can happen IRL, so it provides context.

For example, if the other team sends up a pinch-hitter, young guy, just up to the majors, as Manager I might want to discuss with my battery how to pitch this mystery man, with my infield how to play him, even gesture to the outfielders to move around.

Does it always make a difference? Of course not. Sometimes all that talk and strategy backfires. In OOTP and IRL.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Sweed

It tells you it is just cosmetic? Ok..
The pitcher will literally tell you, the manager, that he is "still strong", "starting to run out of gas", "exhausted" etc. (not the exact words but an approx thing the P might tell you). So how is this completely wrong on determining fatigue?

Do you actually play out your games and use the mound visit feature? Not a game, here and there, but over a long haul?


The wording tells you it is cosmetic. 4,374 played out games tells me it is not cosmetic. Guess which way I'm leaning?

Yeah, I was the first to quote the manual in this thread. And yes, it does say..

Nothing ambiguous there.. It literally says "usually used". Can't use something that isn't there.

That's why I say it does the developer no good to comment. Even though it's in the manual, if they double down. they won't be believed.

Look at the game engine, how many times they've said it's the same whether
you sim or play out the games. Only to be told by some users, time and time again, that is not true. According to those users the engines are definitely different depending on how you play.

About historical..
Historical, like any league you play, you can choose not to use the visits. Me? When I play historical I use real lineups and just watch the games play out. Kind of like going back in time to my youth. I couldn't visit the mound if I wanted to. Others that play historical and manage too, may want the feature. Nothing wrong with that. Let' them play it their way.

Nowhere have I said you weren't trying to be helpful.

Well looking at last year's thread there is this..

Has something changed?

I've had ample experience that tells me to be suspicious of the manual. Especially when with ample opportunity the devs or Garlon or somebody who might know hasn't commented. Tells me they don't know.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Brad K

I've had ample experience that tells me to be suspicious of the manual. Especially when with ample opportunity the devs or Garlon or somebody who might know hasn't commented. Tells me they don't know.

So then you're commenting on something you don't use, or have first hand knowledge about to what? Be helpful? And with that in mind you call out the developers? Wow.

Doesn't that mean we should be suspicious of any question you answer? I mean we can't rely on your answers trusting you have actually, you know, used the feature you are answering questions about.

Maybe it's just me but when someone asks about an area of the game I have no knowledge of? Well, I tend to leave that question for someone that does.
But I guess that's just me.

[slugga27]

Originally Posted by Sweed

So then you're commenting on something you don't use, or have first hand knowledge about to what? Be helpful? And with that in mind you call out the developers? Wow.

Doesn't that mean we should be suspicious of any question you answer? I mean we can't rely on your answers trusting you have actually, you know, used the feature you are answering questions about.

Maybe it's just me but when someone asks about an area of the game I have no knowledge of? Well, I tend to leave that question for someone that does.
But I guess that's just me.

Since there’s no “thanks” button, I’ll just say thanks for this.


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[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Sweed

So then you're commenting on something you don't use, or have first hand knowledge about to what? Be helpful? And with that in mind you call out the developers? Wow.

Doesn't that mean we should be suspicious of any question you answer? I mean we can't rely on your answers trusting you have actually, you know, used the feature you are answering questions about.

Maybe it's just me but when someone asks about an area of the game I have no knowledge of? Well, I tend to leave that question for someone that does.
But I guess that's just me.

If the devs show up and say I'm wrong I'll apologize.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Brad K

If the devs show up and say I'm wrong I'll apologize.

Wouldn't that depend on how they word it? My bet is no matter what they said you would have a "feeling" that it wasn't enough, it wasn't worded in the right way, and the great "coverup" would continue.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Wouldn't that depend on how they word it? My bet is no matter what they said you would have a "feeling" that it wasn't enough, it wasn't worded in the right way, and the great "coverup" would continue.

All it takes is a yes or no answer.

Now, if their answer instead starts off with the typical "If I recall correctly..." or "I think what we did there..." of course I wouldn't believe it. Because, you know, it appears nothing significant about this game is documented anywhere except in the out of date and riddled with errors game manual.

I appreciate your speculation on my response. I'm sure that speculation is accepted by you as the total truth. Without basis of course. Which is how much of the world operates now.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Wouldn't that depend on how they word it? My bet is no matter what they said you would have a "feeling" that it wasn't enough, it wasn't worded in the right way, and the great "coverup" would continue.

Its actually not a great coverup. Its pretty poor. Its like a church It relies upon the faith of the public to be successful!

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Brad K

All it takes is a yes or no answer.

Now, if their answer instead starts off with the typical "If I recall correctly..." or "I think what we did there..." of course I wouldn't believe it. Because, you know, it appears nothing significant about this game is documented anywhere except in the out of date and riddled with errors game manual.

I appreciate your speculation on my response. I'm sure that speculation is accepted by you as the total truth. Without basis of course. Which is how much of the world operates now.

Good god dude your whole response to mound visits is nothing but speculation with nothing to base it on.

I at least have your history of taking something that is clearly spelled out and speculating that it is not in the game. As posted earlier, which you did not respond to..

This option is usually used to try to calm down the pitcher

Nothing ambiguous there.. It literally says "usually used". Can't use something that isn't there.

What if it said "normally used" or "can be used" would that make it clearer for you? I would speculate that it would not but... I won't since you are the only one that can speculate because of your great understanding of the human psyche.

The only thing you have said on this topic that makes any sense is..

Originally Posted by Brad K

I just realized my comments are irrelevant. I don't play out games anymore!

Your words, not mine.

[Pelican]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Its actually not a great coverup. Its pretty poor. Its like a church It relies upon the faith of the public to be successful!

Way off point; but I love this. If you really want to go there, I’d venture to say all churches rely on the public to succeed. Not to preach; but that’s the definition of “faith”. And it’s actually a perfect analogy to the gaming marketplace. A game like OOTP, with annual releases, relies totally on keeping the “faith” with its customers. An overwhelming (and growing) number appreciate that, warts and all, and keep returning..

It’s only a “coverup” if you’re a non-believer. In the marketplace or religion. Your choice to be agnostic or worship in another church (game). Good on you. I’m good here. Not uncritical acceptance; but hard-won loyalty. Faith that the developers will investigate and fix any flaws or bugs - and simply improve the game. Not all prayers are answered. Nor could they be. But many are..

[Brad K]

Way off point yet you picked it up and expanded upon it and proved it!!!

No criticism intended in the above statement.

[StLee]

I was one of those players always advocating for the visit to the mound to mean something, but I gave up eventually. In my roleplay of the situation, I only go out to the mound for two reasons. Well, one, really, but hear me out.

I bring on my setup guy in the top of the 8th. Dude just threw six straight balls in a two-run game we're winning. I visit the mound. He tells me, "I still have a lot left in the tank."

My roleplay response: "No ****, Sherlock! But you just threw six straight balls to the 8th and 9th hitters in the lineup. I brought you in here to mow down these ******* ******** ********s, and here you are tossing balls to Susie sitting in the third row. Throw some ********** ******** strikes, or I'm sending you to Walla Walla."

Press '1.' Ball three. Press '1.' Ball four. "Garcon! Send me a pitcher!"

[Pelican]

Who was it IRL who told his poor Manager to "get off my mound!"?

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Who was it IRL who told his poor Manager to "get off my mound!"?

I don't know but pretty sure they didn't say it to Lasorda or Weaver.

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by Sweed

I don't know but pretty sure they didn't say it to Lasorda or Weaver.

The first words out of Justin Verlander's mouth when his PC came to the mound in game one of the 2012 WS were "What are you doing out here?"

[Pelican]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Who was it IRL who told his poor Manager to "get off my mound!"?

Thinking about it; pretty sure it was Bob Gibson.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Pelican

Thinking about it; pretty sure it was Bob Gibson.

That sounds about right.