Development fixed?

[fnz]

Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

Is this happening in the same leagues where it was happening pre-patch, or is it happening in leagues you newly create on this patch as well?

In theory the AI changes should take even on pre-existing leagues, but would be interesting to know if there's any difference at all between the two for those still seeing this.

EDIT: Sorry, I see you answered that already in another post. Could you post or upload a copy of the league files for one of those leagues if you get a chance?

Not sure how to upload a league file, but I'm also not sure you'd be able to find much. I have to open the list of MLB players in Commissioner Mode each calendar day to edit down all the kids the other teams have promoted. So all the problem players' ratings will look pretty wild.

I thought I could fix it with age limits, but but why do my major league age limits affect all my minor league teams? (they release any players that don't fall into the major league age limits).

[LeftHandPath]

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[Mat]

I am seeing on average 15-20 players deputing the year after they are drafted. I have simmed 30 seasons and it is fairly consistent each season.

I have noticed that players 21 or older are too developed and develop too quickly.

Switching the draft to 100% high school players fixed the issue for me but it means the draft class is very young now (18-19 only).

[Tiger Fan]

Originally Posted by Mat

I am seeing on average 15-20 players deputing the year after they are drafted. I have simmed 30 seasons and it is fairly consistent each season.

I have noticed that players 21 or older are too developed and develop too quickly.

Switching the draft to 100% high school players fixed the issue for me but it means the draft class is very young now (18-19 only).

100% the same as I am seeing

[Pdubya64]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

What are the rating makeup of those players? Even with the update to development, I still think Speed, Defense & Power are overvalued. That’s not a development issue but how OVR is calculated. Those attributes are a hot commodity in a hot prospect but if they can’t hit for average or develop to hit for average especially at certain positions, they usually don’t make it in the majors, hence a lower OVR.

I feel the same about pitchers, far too many pitchers with poor control are making the main roster

I am seeing the same trends myself SMJ.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by Mat

I am seeing on average 15-20 players deputing the year after they are drafted. I have simmed 30 seasons and it is fairly consistent each season.

I have noticed that players 21 or older are too developed and develop too quickly.

Switching the draft to 100% high school players fixed the issue for me but it means the draft class is very young now (18-19 only).

Yup. Particularly the college prospects are far too developed at defense. High amounts of speed (still after patch) adds to the fast track. This should be only true for those elite college prospects, not something we should see every year from multiple players.


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[Mat]

Originally Posted by Tiger Fan

100% the same as I am seeing

I too am playing fictional league but with 4 levels of minors.

I tried with some junior college players but they were still coming in too developed, but it did mean less of them.

[fredbeene]

Originally Posted by sutnopG

Hello!

Have not jumped in to this years version yet. Have seen reports that prospects develop too fast, is this fixed in the latest patch?

Thanks in advance!

i thought i was just controlled by the dev and aging modifier (though i never got players to play longer with aging modifier)

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

Yup. Particularly the college prospects are far too developed at defense. High amounts of speed (still after patch) adds to the fast track. This should be only true for those elite college prospects, not something we should see every year from multiple players.

I've noticed the same thing. My college prospects are fully developed and MLB ready with less than one full year of minor league experience.

[PSUColonel]

This a pretty big issue IMO...not sure where the developers are on this.

[ThePride87]

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[twins_34]

Originally Posted by LeftHandPath

Some examples:

In your example, look at the ages of the first two players. 22 and 24. They are going to be more developed. The 21 year old being a 40 might be slightly high but none of these guys are raw 16-19 year olds. By 21-24 they should either be busts or be able to at least be on the edge of being in the majors, if they were not bust prospects. You should see 20/50 with the players being 16-19, maybe even a few 19 year olds being 25. but that 21 year old having college experience and then on top of that almost being at his celling already is like having him in your minors from the time he was 18 or 19. Its just that he has his time being in college pitching over being in a farm system.

So not really sure I see any issues with the 3 players you posted because of their ages and the fact that they played college ball. I am not sure if you think they should be 20's or what?

[LeftHandPath]

Originally Posted by twins_34

In your example, look at the ages of the first two players. 22 and 24. They are going to be more developed. The 21 year old being a 40 might be slightly high but none of these guys are raw 16-19 year olds. By 21-24 they should either be busts or be able to at least be on the edge of being in the majors, if they were not bust prospects. You should see 20/50 with the players being 16-19, maybe even a few 19 year olds being 25. but that 21 year old having college experience and then on top of that almost being at his celling already is like having him in your minors from the time he was 18 or 19. Its just that he has his time being in college pitching over being in a farm system.

So not really sure I see any issues with the 3 players you posted because of their ages and the fact that they played college ball. I am not sure if you think they should be 20's or what?

It unrealistic.
Some of the players would go straight from being drafted into the majors.
In the last (real) 20 years, only 3 players went straight from draft to MLB.

[ThePride87]

Yea, this is definitely still a problem. Simulated on 22 and 21 to compare first year player drafts.....OOTP 22 is making a ridiculous amount of high-potential non-RP players when compared to OOTP 21. Also, OOTP 21 I didn't see any non-RP players with an OVR above 30, but there's 7 of them in my OOTP 22 sim, including a SS and SP who are 45s, technically ready to play in the majors.

The amount of guys on OOTP 21 who have a potential above 50 can fit half a page, whereas the bottom of page 1 for OOTP 22 is 60-65 potential (again, removed relievers for both to get rid of clutter....100% accuracy for both as well)

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by LeftHandPath

It unrealistic.
Some of the players would go straight from being drafted into the majors.
In the last (real) 20 years, only 3 players went straight from draft to MLB.

You would put a 40 on your MLB team? Can you tell me how many players in the last 20 years were in the minors for 1 year and called up? Each player you posted should spend at least 1 season, except the 24 year old (I would not draft them I would skip because of the age), in the minors before being called up. A college player has a HELL of a lot better chance being called up with 1 year of minors under their belt.

So, once again, no, I do not see it as unrealistic. It is a very realistic possibility to see that caliber of player being drafted, spending a year or 2 in the minors and being called up.

[twins_34]

Andrew Benintendi
Kyle Schwarber
Michael Conforto
Brandon Finnegan
Dansby Swanson
Alex Bregman

Just to name a few players that were pretty much MLB ready and spent hardly any time in the MiLB before being called up. So, no, I would call the 3 players you posted pretty realistic. This is just 6 players and there are way more than these 6.

Let's not forget Juan Soto who only played 122 games in the minors before being called up.

[twins_34]

Originally Posted by ThePride87

Yea, this is definitely still a problem. Simulated on 22 and 21 to compare first year player drafts.....OOTP 22 is making a ridiculous amount of high-potential non-RP players when compared to OOTP 21. Also, OOTP 21 I didn't see any non-RP players with an OVR above 30, but there's 7 of them in my OOTP 22 sim, including a SS and SP who are 45s, technically ready to play in the majors.

The amount of guys on OOTP 21 who have a potential above 50 can fit half a page, whereas the bottom of page 1 for OOTP 22 is 60-65 potential (again, removed relievers for both to get rid of clutter....100% accuracy for both as well)

See now THIS is where I see a possible problem. If there are 50+ 3-3.5 star potential (roughly 55-60) players alone in a draft, then you add the 4-5 star players, yeah I can see an issue. However, if they are all 20 overall that potential don't mean all that much but if they are 16-19 years old and a 50/70, yeah that's an issue.

I don't see an issue with a 21-24 year old being a 2-2.5 overall star (roughly 25-40) recruit coming out of college. They are not raw HS players. Yeah College ain't the minors but it's also not high school. They should be well over a 20 but just on the edge of the MLB where a half year to 1 year in the minors could develop them into an MLB player.

Now in the end, potential of 5 stars or 80 for a 16-19 year old really don't mean all that much. Just like pfholden states in his videos, take potential with a grain of salt because its only a guideline of possible potential and most of the time is not the overall outcome. I have seen 80 potential players end up only becoming 3 star or 50-55 player by the time they actually develop and I have seen 3 star draft players become 4-5 star players when they fully develop.

As long as you are not seeing a 25+ list of 40 overall rated players in the draft then it should be good but if you are seeing 45-55 overall 16-20 year old players, then yeah, issue. My drafts have actually been pretty underwhelming. Posted a picture of mine. The higher aged players are somewhat developed but once you hit the 20 year olds and below they are nothing more than 21 or below overall rated players.

My potential is not too exciting either. One possible MLB ready player otherwise, MiLB players that need a year or 2, or more, to develop.

Is my draft a typical over rated fictional draft everyone is complaining about or is it what people are looking for? I didn't adjust anything for this draft. This is all OOTP.

[ThePride87]

It's not my place to say how things should be...I understand where you're coming from in regards to how often players are almost ready after the draft. I just know what's usually normal for OOTP, and this just doesn't seem normal to me. I'm sure the crew is looking into it though....not like you can just fix everything at a moment's notice. I'm not one to be patient (or mature), but better late than never. OOTP is one of the greatest creations in sports, and I'll treat it with the respect it deserves. I'll stick with 21 until then....still happy I bought 22.

[LeftHandPath]

Are any devs still alive? A short statement if this issue will be handled in the current patch is highly appreciated.

[jaguar8311]

Originally Posted by LeftHandPath

Are any devs still alive? A short statement if this issue will be handled in the current patch is highly appreciated.

Agree. There's still a big problem.