Face of the Franchise is a disaster

[eldur00]

Did you know ?

All it takes is 2500 shared shutouts to afford one card for a FOTF mission.

I say, bolster up your pitching staff fellas !

[Ty Cobb]

Don't the rich always get richer? I'm a bit tired of being a filthy peasant, and have gone pack only. This is just going to wipe out all of us at the lower ends, as cards we once might have marginally afforded have rocketed into the stratosphere.

Despite what whales think, the installed user base of us filthy peasants is the backbone of the game. I say let 'em discover what the taste of expensive digital cardboard is...

[steamrollers]

Originally Posted by emilempenza

Honestly, all year it's been a bit of a disaster from a missions stand point. The balance has been wrong from the start, the live missions were too rewarding for how easy they were and everything else wasn't rewarding enough, so as a result the vast, vast majority of players can only realistically afford to go with the cheap live mission SE cards as they are just so much better value than all the other cards.

These missions just make that even worse, as all the non-live, non-SE cards have just gotten even more expensive, so those live series SE rewards just become better value.

Honestly, it's boring. If you are willing to pump thousands into the game then there is a nice variety of top cards to go for, for everyone else you have either the exact same team as everyone else, or have deliberately hindered yourself buying worse cards at a higher cost.

Couldn't agree more. The alarming thing is people from entry pool to perfect are getting frustrated by this. Eventually you get to the breaking point where you start seeing a mass exodus. I sure hope that doesn't happen because PT has so much potential, I don't know if they need an additional voice in their meetings but something clearly has to change.

[mayday10]

I was looking forward to checking these out later today when I get home from work...

I guess maybe its disappointing?

[eldur00]

Originally Posted by Ty Cobb

Don't the rich always get richer? I'm a bit tired of being a filthy peasant, and have gone pack only. This is just going to wipe out all of us at the lower ends, as cards we once might have marginally afforded have rocketed into the stratosphere.

Despite what whales think, the installed user base of us filthy peasants is the backbone of the game. I say let 'em discover what the taste of expensive digital cardboard is...

This is the most frustrating thing to me - we have been told since the inception of PT 2.5 years ago that winning at a higher level would not generate better rewards because they didn't want the rich to get richer...


And now, well, this.

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by eldur00

This is the most frustrating thing to me - we have been told since the inception of PT 2.5 years ago that winning at a higher level would not generate better rewards because they didn't want the rich to get richer...


And now, well, this.

But the poor get poorer.

[eldur00]

Originally Posted by Kushiel

But the poor get poorer.

Ty Cobb is right though. They need the masses to sustain the economy. If we all give up, there are no cards to be bought because we are not there to open packs anymore.

[mayday10]

are people really dropping 'thousands' on this game? lol

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by mayday10

are people really dropping 'thousands' on this game? lol

Oh yeah.

[emilempenza]

Originally Posted by mayday10

are people really dropping 'thousands' on this game? lol

A top starting pitcher is what 2-300k? That's $1000 for a 5 man rotation, then the bullpen as well. Throw in 750k Tris Speaker in CF, 600k Tony Gwynn in RF, etc etc etc. Yeah, people are dropping thousands on this game. Not many people, but a few

[mayday10]

I would think the goal for the developers for such a game would be to get many people to drop smaller denominations at a time in order to speed things up, grease the wheels, specials, etc.
I have no problem with spending $, I spent a little with my 'main' team during the pandemic.... but right now I could drop $200 and I dont think it would make a difference and would feel like throwing money into an ocean


Right now, even as someone who did spend some $, there is almost no action in the game at all. Waiting to collect a small trickle of pp every week as I finish between 65-80 wins, and winning packs of cards in tournaments that get me 5 live irons and a live bronze like 60% of the time.

[DotDash]

I think an issue with this latest batch of missions specifically, is that it has (possibly) removed the element of 'predict what the next missions might be' from the game.
When the last wave of missions contained PEAK silver and silver Future Legends, I guessed (incorrectly) that the next wave might contain:
- Gold Future Legends (maybe split in high and low)
- PEAK Gold (again, possibly split)
- A different type of silver card (Hardware Heroes perhaps)

So I have been 'collecting' these for the past two weeks; as much as the F2P budget allows, anyway.
But now it seems that we will be seeing FOTF missions for the foreseeable future, which basically means that all Non-Live cards for the remaining 25 teams (and their historic predecessors) have become speculation fodder...

I do hope that the Developers consider the fact that many players play games like PT as a form of escapism from daily life's tedium and unfairness (YMMV.) Encountering these same elements in PT (skill and effort as only limited drivers of success, the 'rich' getting richer, etc.) does not seem like the best way to keep all players engaged in the long run.

[eldur00]

Originally Posted by mayday10

I would think the goal for the developers for such a game would be to get many people to drop smaller denominations at a time in order to speed things up, grease the wheels, specials, etc.
I have no problem with spending $, I spent a little with my 'main' team during the pandemic.... but right now I could drop $200 and I dont think it would make a difference and would feel like throwing money into an ocean


Right now, even as someone who did spend some $, there is almost no action in the game at all. Waiting to collect a small trickle of pp every week as I finish between 65-80 wins, and winning packs of cards in tournaments that get me 5 live irons and a live bronze like 60% of the time.

Actually I read a very telling article a few years back, and the article stipulated that in games like the PT mode of OOTP, 95% of the money spent comes from less than 5% of the player base in most games. So if those numbers apply to PT (they may or may not), it makes zero sense for them to cater to the lower denominator, even if the lower denominator is the largest chunk of the community.


I've said it in another thread and someone even made fun of me for it, but the challenge will be to renew that money coming in, and OOTP will need to find ways to attract gamers money over the years to remain profitable. Relying solely on the OOTP/Baseball fanbase will flatten the profit curve over time because some of us will die, move on, get pissed off, lose our jobs, get into a tough divorce, etc.

[allenciox]

Originally Posted by eldur00

Actually I read a very telling article a few years back, and the article stipulated that in games like the PT mode of OOTP, 95% of the money spent comes from less than 5% of the player base in most games. So if those numbers apply to PT (they may or may not), it makes zero sense for them to cater to the lower denominator, even if the lower denominator is the largest chunk of the community.

Ok, I feel like I have to say a few things, so, ****ahem*** let me get on my soap box.

First of all, the tone of this whole thread kind of puts me off. Yes, the goal is to make money for the company, and yes, they will cater to the playerbase that is most profitable for them. It's sort of like, duh, of course it is like that. I would say in their case that it is more like 1% of the teams that are actually bringing in the money for them --- probably the great majority of those in perfect league (36 teams), and maybe another 150 or so teams in diamond league --- that comes to less than 1% of the 19,354 total teams.

I actually think they have tried to be a lot more evenhanded to us FTP players than they have to be. We can win tournament rewards, challenge packs, we get plenty of achievement rewards, and, with a little work, we can be at the top or near the top of the pyramid (all my teams are FTP and they generally stay in diamond --- Perfect Pitch slid back to gold this season --- one even was in perfect last season).

The day the missions come out is NOT the day to try to buy up the pieces. That is always when prices are going to be highest. Those of us that know that go into sell mode every time new missions come out. If you look at the market, you will see that just about every card is available that is needed for missions --- if you are willing to pay enough --- those are from those of us who seize these opportunities to be on the selling end at these occasions.

If you want to complete missions, wait awhile.. never try to do them on the first day they come out.

[steamrollers]

LOL I didn't know they got their business advice from Terrance and Phillip but my goodness is that clip perfect. T

[steamrollers]

Originally Posted by allenciox

If you want to complete missions, wait awhile.. never try to do them on the first day they come out.

You are right about being at the selling end. Problem is with these missions this will be going on for months now as people know literally every card for these teams was being used for FOTF so it won't be your typical inflated prices for a handful of days, we are talking literally months, they wrap towards the end of September.

[playultm8]

Originally Posted by allenciox

If you want to complete missions, wait awhile.. never try to do them on the first day they come out.

I suspect the vast majority of F2P folks have little hope of ever completing the new missions. The bigger issue is that now many of the pieces F2P players could target after live missions (iron/bronze/silver tournament pieces, budget SE upgrades) just got a lot more expensive and are very likely to settle at a significantly higher price point for at least the next 3 months. Those "bargain" pieces are now being bought up and held by speculators or locked in for mission completion and removed from circulation.

Basically, F2P folks will see prices for any non-Live upgrades rise with very little in return since we're extremely unlikely to be finishing any of the team FotF missions.

[PocketsAintFull]

Perfect Team has more opportunity - especially this year - than any other similar game I've seen for free/low-budget players. We're in July and the game's been out a while, so if you've not been trying to keep up by using tournaments, missions, and the auction house, there's no magic mission release that will do that for you. The live missions already did a huge amount.

With a content release like last night, if you're not going to be able to complete them in the short-term (which I imagine is most players), then you wanted to be on the selling end. Even just logging-on around mission drop time, you'd probably find you accidentally owned some key pieces that whales were scrambling to buy as quickly as possible. There are plenty of opportunities to build extra PP in this year's game.

Now, none of that is to say whether this content release missed the mark, or expectations were mislead, but at some point you just have to take the game for what it is and play accordingly. If you don't want to, that's perfectly fine, play at a lower level and have a bunch of fun there, it's all good

[chazzycat]

Originally Posted by PocketsAintFull

but at some point you just have to take the game for what it is and play accordingly. If you don't want to, that's perfectly fine

yup, exactly why I probably won't be playing next year.


"what it is" is a stock market simulator, not a baseball game.

[getalife1798]

Originally Posted by steamrollers

You are right about being at the selling end. Problem is with these missions this will be going on for months now as people know literally every card for these teams was being used for FOTF so it won't be your typical inflated prices for a handful of days, we are talking literally months, they wrap towards the end of September.

Bingo...