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I'm not positive teams have pandemic insurance for their contracts. Does anybody know how insurance companies work? They'll try every angle not to pay out. Off the top of my head, maybe team X has insured their contracts against natural disasters. An insurance company with a corps of lawyers might refuse pay - proof that it's natural, and not man-made in a lab.
![]() ![]() Besides, a 50% cut for a 50% season (okay, 51% season) doesn't sound that bad to me. Who's still gotta foot 100% property tax (at least where it hasn't been waived until biblical Armageddon plus one day), power bill (they'll still play under lights, right?) and maintenance cost for all facilities like that big old ballpark that better not crumble before they can let people in again? The owners. I am not siding with the billionaires over the millionaires, as is often said. At the end of the day, there's plenty of ***holes in both groups. I am siding with BASEBALL. All I want is the billionaires, the millionaires, and the ***holes to work out a deal for some semblance of baseball after all. If I have to eat the universal DH for a season because of it - (holds up t-shirt with print "NO DH!") ... bring it on. Sacrifices have to be made. Speaking of sacrifices... Is that the actual quote? If so, he's not bothered by the risk in itself. He'll play for 100% salary. All he really cares about is $$$. He's the guy that yells "YES!!" when asked whether he'd stick his **** into a hornet's nest for $25M ...
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I back the players in being against the idea of 50/50, but I don't think we can speak so definitely. Have any of the owners said the bold? I'm not sure I've seen that anywhere.
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Former MLB pitcher Brian Anderson (and player rep for the union) was on a local radio station yesterday and he said "people don't want to hear baseball players argue about salary". He does make some good points in the interview. https://omny.fm/shows/baskin-phelps/...ear-baseball-p Last edited by ohiodevil; 05-15-2020 at 07:45 AM. |
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Meh. It's negotiations. Put out there what you ideally want.
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Does anyone have a link showing what the "revenue" is that would be split?
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But then you have to factor in that some teams have much better local TV deals than others do. I can only imagine that a team like the Yankees has a huge deal in place, where a team like Tampa or Pittsburgh has a much smaller one. Last edited by ohiodevil; 05-15-2020 at 08:07 AM. |
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A 50/50 split does not mean they play for half their contract. It means they play for a fixed portion of revenue (which is unknown).
That is an absolute non-starter because it is literally a salary cap. Shocker that people read something online and get mad without understanding. |
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"If I'm gonna play, I should be getting the money I signed to be getting paid. I should not be getting half of what I'm getting paid because the season's cut in half, on top of a 33% cut of the half that's already there -- so I'm really getting, like, 25%." They have not agreed on the terms of the deal but with the season being cut in half, they are saying that the players will only earn half their salary for this season. The 50/50 revenue split is what the owners are wanting and the players do not. |
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That kinda is what I said. He's not even getting his contract pro-rated for half a season, it is half taken down by about half again since it would be pegged to lower revenues.
Just really shocking to me how every time the public sides with ownership, who is now using a pandemic as leverage to screw over players into accepting a salary cap which is pretty much the only thing they haven't taken away from them already. Last edited by dkgo; 05-15-2020 at 09:22 AM. |
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Huh? You can still be bothered by risk but willing to accept a certain level of it depending on the payoff. That's literally what evaluating risk vs reward is... we all do it every day.
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I don't believe a single person here who is criticizing Snell would be cool with it if it was there job that: They agreed to work for a certain salary Because of the shortening of the season agreed to a prorated salary Then, their boss said, we've never ever showed you how much money we make, but, trust us, we're going to make less than what we thought so how about it we just split what we make (and remember we're not going to show you the books, so, just trust us) this year while you work in much worse conditions than usual: increased risk of disease, separated from your friends and famila, locked up aside from games |
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I do agree 100% that 50/50 looks like less money for the players than prorated salaries. I also think the owners painted themselves into a corner by offering and signing onto the prorated salary earlier. But I have no problems with them putting out the 50/50 proposal in the negotiations if they view that as an ideal situation for themselves and/or for baseball. Just like I have no problem with the players in the negotiations telling the owners to stuff it. Negotiations never start on middle ground or in favor of "the other party."
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That's true about negotiations, either side can start by proposing whatever they want, but the people criticizing players for not taking the owner's "offer" are just being absurdly wrong.
The fact is the players ALREADY agreed to prorated salaries. Now owners want what was already half to be cut EVEN MORE depending on how much revenue ends up being. Gameday revenue is about 40% of teams revenue, so with no fans at games all that is gone from the pie. Funny how owners never give players extra money on top of their contract when profits are higher than expected, but they expect labor to share in the losses. |
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He should take up his grievances with the MLBPA then.
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He's making, at most, ha...er...HALF his market value So, last year, he was making 8% of his worth. Mr. Snell should be angry |
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2020: $7M 2021: $10.5M 2022: $12.5M 2023: $16M That is actually well underpaid relative to his peers in the ace SP category. I know it isn't well underpaid compared with the rest of us schlubs, or the people risking their lives on the front lines during this pandemic, but he's still well underpaid. He's also already given the Rays a little over $82M (FanGraphs estimate) in surplus value, including his $684,000 signing bonus back when he was drafted back in 2011. It is the Rays who (once again with their brilliant front office) have made out like bandits in this deal. Also, there's the fact that the owners will never show accurate figures for revenue (never have - why would they start now?), so I can guarantee you that the players will not only make less than the prorated deals (basically half of what they would've made) that they've agreed to take, but they'll really have no idea if they're actually getting their proper share of the 50/50 revenue sharing agreement. There's no way in hell they should agree to a 50/50 agreement, when they don't accurately know the total amount of dollars that they're being asked to take half of. Allegedly, the owners made $10.7B last year. Given their ability to play fast and loose with true revenues, how do we know that that figure isn't higher? I can guarantee you it ain't lower. They make the players out to be the bad guys in these pissing contests, and we fall for it every goddamn time. |
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