2016 MLB Hall of Fame Ballot - Page 2

Lukas Berger · 12-15-2015, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatSeventiesGuy

Whitaker (only because Trammell has gotten enough love here already)

Cmon man, he hasn't got enough to get him elected, if this was a real election. I agree Whitaker should be in as well, but that's a whole 'nother story!

ThatSeventiesGuy · 12-15-2015, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

Cmon man, he hasn't got enough to get him elected, if this was a real election. I agree Whitaker should be in as well, but that's a whole 'nother story!

If I can make like Spinal Tap and crank my number of players to 11, then I would.

But then again, Tram ain't very bright, if my historical is to be believed...

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-trammell.html

jollyschwa · 12-15-2015, 10:22 AM

Piazza
Bagwell
Schilling
Griffey
Raines
Hoffman
McGriff
Edmonds
Kent
Martinez

klavier · 12-15-2015, 10:30 AM

Griffey
Piazza
Raines
Trammell
McGriff
Sheffield

jaxmagicman · 12-16-2015, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lukasberger

I think there are maybe 18-20 guys who deserve to get in, including Sosa and Kent.

Since I can only vote for 10, I gave Edmonds the last spot since I think he's totally deserving but will probably get the least votes of any of those 20 guys.

It's funny. I never thought of Edmonds as a HOF when he was playing. Part of it maybe that I didn't really pay attention to how good of a hitter he is, or maybe it was the fact that I hated that he would make routine plays look hard by diving for balls that someone like Andruw Jones would have run down in a jog.

swampdragon · 12-16-2015, 01:27 PM

Griffey, Raines, Bagwell, Piazza, Trammell.

swoboda · 12-16-2015, 01:51 PM

Based solely on what they did on the field

Bonds
Griffey
Piazza
Clemens
Raines
Kent
Shoeless

actionjackson · 12-21-2015, 06:41 PM

Here is an update on the voting so far through 13 ballots. I need to hear from stormfall if his post was a ballot or an opinion piece before I'll count it (so I'll ask again stormfall: Is your ballot just Griffey Jr. and Martinez and nobody else?). Get your ballots in folks. The announcement is Wednesday January 6th, 2016, and I'll take them until just before it's announced. Anyway, here it is through 13 (anyone not listed has zero votes):

J. Bagwell 53.8%
B. Bonds 30.8%
R. Clemens 30.8%
J. Edmonds 15.4%
K. Griffey Jr. 100.0%
T. Hoffman 38.5%
J. Kent 15.4%
E. Martinez 46.2%
F. McGriff 38.5%
M. Mussina 30.8%
M. Piazza 76.9%
T. Raines Sr. 84.6%
C. Schilling 38.5%
G. Sheffield 23.1%
L. Smith 7.7%
A. Trammell 53.8%
B. Wagner 7.7%
L. Walker 15.4%
Write-In (J. Jackson 15.4%, H. Baines 7.7%, L. Whitaker 7.7%)

Candidates require 75% for enshrinement, so currently we've put Griffey Jr., Raines Sr., and Piazza in our little version of the HOF. The "zero" club so far is:

G. Anderson, B. Ausmus, L. Castillo, D. Eckstein, N. Garciaparra, T. Glaus, M. Grudzielanek, M. Hampton, J. Kendall, M. Lowell, M. McGwire, S. Sosa, Mike Sweeney, and Randy Winn. Out of that group of 14, the only two I'd put in are McGwire and Sosa, but I had no room on my ballot.

TheMaus2 · 12-21-2015, 08:11 PM

Piazza
Bonds
Clemens
Raines
Schilling
Griffey
Bagwell
McGriff
Garciaparra
Pete Rose

metsguy234 · 12-21-2015, 08:19 PM

Bonds
Clemens
Griffey
Bagwell
Piazza
Schilling
Mussina
Raines
Hoffman
Trammell

Orcin · 12-21-2015, 10:24 PM

Griffey
Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Schilling
Pete Rose [write-in]

attackemu · 12-22-2015, 12:31 AM

My ten are Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Griffey, Edgar, Mussina, Piazza, Raines, Schilling, and Walker.

With an unlimited ballot, I'd also vote for Edmonds, Kent, McGriff, McGwire, Sheffield, Sosa, and Trammell.

TribeFanInNC · 12-22-2015, 09:35 AM

Piazza
Bonds
Clemens
Raines
Bagwell
Griffey
Hoffman
Kent
Mussina
Schilling

I'm always a little surprised Kent doesn't get more support. He has one of the best offensive profiles for a 2B ever. I know, it was an offensive era. But he still was a really good hitter.

Splitter24 · 12-22-2015, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I'm always a little surprised Kent doesn't get more support. He has one of the best offensive profiles for a 2B ever. I know, it was an offensive era. But he still was a really good hitter.

Kent was a good hitter, even taking his sudden increase in offensive value in his 30's at face value. Having a few seasons of .300/30/100 looks pretty on the surface, but less so in an era where those numbers were relatively commonplace. Lou Whitaker and Bobby Grich were of the same value offensively for their era as Kent was to his. Not to mention Lou and Bobby having multiple Gold Glove Awards in their trophy case when Kent was always a rather pedestrian 2B. If there's no room in the Hall for Whitaker and Grich, there really shouldn't be for Kent.

Questdog · 12-22-2015, 11:16 AM

Why is there no love for Billy Wagner? The guy was 5-10 and threw 100 MPH. That right there ought to be enough to get you in the Hall of Fame!

TribeFanInNC · 12-22-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Splitter24

Kent was a good hitter, even taking his sudden increase in offensive value in his 30's at face value. Having a few seasons of .300/30/100 looks pretty on the surface, but less so in an era where those numbers were relatively commonplace. Lou Whitaker and Bobby Grich were of the same value offensively for their era as Kent was to his. Not to mention Lou and Bobby having multiple Gold Glove Awards in their trophy case when Kent was always a rather pedestrian 2B. If there's no room in the Hall for Whitaker and Grich, there really shouldn't be for Kent.

True enough on all accounts. I think in the long run though, chicks and HOF voters dig the long ball, even in the "questionable" era. Kent's counting stats just look better, even if OPS+ is roughly equal and the others have better overall WARs. The MVP is certainly worth something also.

Definitely a valid debate both ways.

actionjackson · 12-22-2015, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

Why is there no love for Billy Wagner? The guy was 5-10 and threw 100 MPH. That right there ought to be enough to get you in the Hall of Fame!

Well, it is a bit of an overcrowded ballot QD. Hopefully, the BBWAA will be able to clean up some of their mess this year and hopefully he remains on it until such a time as he can be voted in. Closers are the toughest to quantify because they only pitch about 70 innings a year, and yet they are among the most important innings there are. Nothing is more of a punch in the gut than a blown 9th inning save.

actionjackson · 12-22-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by attackemu

My ten are Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Griffey, Edgar, Mussina, Piazza, Raines, Schilling, and Walker.

With an unlimited ballot, I'd also vote for Edmonds, Kent, McGriff, McGwire, Sheffield, Sosa, and Trammell.

Maybe the BBWAA should consider an unlimited ballot just to clean up some of their mess.

actionjackson · 12-22-2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Piazza
Bonds
Clemens
Raines
Bagwell
Griffey
Hoffman
Kent
Mussina
Schilling

I'm always a little surprised Kent doesn't get more support. He has one of the best offensive profiles for a 2B ever. I know, it was an offensive era. But he still was a really good hitter.

I truly believe his glove makes him a borderline candidate at best. I have him borderline-in, but I can also see the case for not putting him in.

Splitter24 · 12-22-2015, 02:51 PM

I might as well jump in:

Bonds
Clemens
Griffey Jr.
Piazza
Raines
Schilling
Trammell

12-16-2015, 01:27 PM	#26
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	Griffey, Raines, Bagwell, Piazza, Trammell. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

12-16-2015, 01:51 PM	#27
swoboda All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Guarding The Line Posts: 1,220	Based solely on what they did on the field Bonds Griffey Piazza Clemens Raines Kent Shoeless __________________ "...If you want to look ahead to the bottom of the ninth, the Mets will be sending up Buddy Harrelson, Jerry Buchek , and Don Bosch, we'll be right back after this word from Rheingold Beer" The late great Lindsey Nelson

12-21-2015, 06:41 PM	#28
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	Here is an update on the voting so far through 13 ballots. I need to hear from stormfall if his post was a ballot or an opinion piece before I'll count it (so I'll ask again stormfall: Is your ballot just Griffey Jr. and Martinez and nobody else?). Get your ballots in folks. The announcement is Wednesday January 6th, 2016, and I'll take them until just before it's announced. Anyway, here it is through 13 (anyone not listed has zero votes): J. Bagwell 53.8% B. Bonds 30.8% R. Clemens 30.8% J. Edmonds 15.4% K. Griffey Jr. 100.0% T. Hoffman 38.5% J. Kent 15.4% E. Martinez 46.2% F. McGriff 38.5% M. Mussina 30.8% M. Piazza 76.9% T. Raines Sr. 84.6% C. Schilling 38.5% G. Sheffield 23.1% L. Smith 7.7% A. Trammell 53.8% B. Wagner 7.7% L. Walker 15.4% Write-In (J. Jackson 15.4%, H. Baines 7.7%, L. Whitaker 7.7%) Candidates require 75% for enshrinement, so currently we've put Griffey Jr., Raines Sr., and Piazza in our little version of the HOF. The "zero" club so far is: G. Anderson, B. Ausmus, L. Castillo, D. Eckstein, N. Garciaparra, T. Glaus, M. Grudzielanek, M. Hampton, J. Kendall, M. Lowell, M. McGwire, S. Sosa, Mike Sweeney, and Randy Winn. Out of that group of 14, the only two I'd put in are McGwire and Sosa, but I had no room on my ballot. Last edited by actionjackson; 12-21-2015 at 06:43 PM.

12-21-2015, 08:11 PM	#29
TheMaus2 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The OOTP Forums. Always. Posts: 1,952	Piazza Bonds Clemens Raines Schilling Griffey Bagwell McGriff Garciaparra Pete Rose __________________ I write a monthly newsletter on the Food Baseball Association. I also listen to music no one's ever heard of in hopes of looking cool and alternative.

12-22-2015, 12:31 AM	#32
attackemu All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 972	My ten are Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Griffey, Edgar, Mussina, Piazza, Raines, Schilling, and Walker. With an unlimited ballot, I'd also vote for Edmonds, Kent, McGriff, McGwire, Sheffield, Sosa, and Trammell. __________________ "Disguised in EMU's Blunt and sometimes hostile post is actually very sound advice. I think you would be wise to consider what he said." -ihatenames

12-15-2015, 10:22 AM	#23
jollyschwa Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 64	Piazza Bagwell Schilling Griffey Raines Hoffman McGriff Edmonds Kent Martinez

12-15-2015, 10:30 AM	#24
klavier Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: FL Posts: 396	Griffey Piazza Raines Trammell McGriff Sheffield

12-21-2015, 08:19 PM	#30
metsguy234 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 298	Bonds Clemens Griffey Bagwell Piazza Schilling Mussina Raines Hoffman Trammell

12-21-2015, 10:24 PM	#31
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,850	Griffey Bagwell Bonds Clemens Schilling Pete Rose [write-in]

12-22-2015, 09:35 AM	#33
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Piazza Bonds Clemens Raines Bagwell Griffey Hoffman Kent Mussina Schilling I'm always a little surprised Kent doesn't get more support. He has one of the best offensive profiles for a 2B ever. I know, it was an offensive era. But he still was a really good hitter.

12-22-2015, 11:16 AM	#35
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	Why is there no love for Billy Wagner? The guy was 5-10 and threw 100 MPH. That right there ought to be enough to get you in the Hall of Fame!

12-22-2015, 02:51 PM	#40
Splitter24 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Willsboro, NY Posts: 2,895	I might as well jump in: Bonds Clemens Griffey Jr. Piazza Raines Schilling Trammell __________________ Currently Reading: The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen "Well, the game is afoot. I’ll take anal bum cover for 7,000." - "Sean Connery" SNL Celebrity Jeopardy R.I.P. Tommy Holmes 1917-2008