Expanded personalities - Page 2

aaron singer · 04-05-2015, 05:11 PM

I'm in GM mode, I hired a new manager just as the offseason started, who had a good reputation (Cam Bonifay in fall 2015 after a quick start in 2015 with the White Sox went disastrously wrong), and normal and conventional coaching style.

Yet, I then went to try and sign several free agents. I couldn't even offer them a contract, they refused because of my manager's reputation. I guess I'll try firing the manager I just hired, but otherwise I had no idea what was going on there. I've never had that issue in previous games, so I assume it's a new thing based upon the change in coach personality/style/reputation.

frangipard · 04-05-2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron singer

I'm in GM mode, I hired a new manager just as the offseason started, who had a good reputation (Cam Bonifay in fall 2015 after a quick start in 2015 with the White Sox went disastrously wrong), and normal and conventional coaching style.

Yet, I then went to try and sign several free agents. I couldn't even offer them a contract, they refused because of my manager's reputation. I guess I'll try firing the manager I just hired, but otherwise I had no idea what was going on there. I've never had that issue in previous games, so I assume it's a new thing based upon the change in coach personality/style/reputation.

Because Cam Bonifay (and others) is wrongly labeled as a manager in the roster; he's a GM/scout, and the actual ratings (which apparently the players can see) reflect that. I think this will be fixed in the next roster.

aaron singer · 04-05-2015, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by frangipard

Because Cam Bonifay (and others) is wrongly labeled as a manager in the roster; he's a GM/scout, and the actual ratings (which apparently the players can see) reflect that. I think this will be fixed in the next roster.

Thanks!

aaron singer · 04-05-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by frangipard

Because Cam Bonifay (and others) is wrongly labeled as a manager in the roster; he's a GM/scout, and the actual ratings (which apparently the players can see) reflect that. I think this will be fixed in the next roster.

Now I see that many former executives are listed as managers; Jim Hendry, Steve Phillips, Andy MacPhail, Larry Beinfest, Dave Littlefield and Bill Bavasi are names I immediately recognize. Without knowing hidden traits of the others, I'm not sure who is actually a manager and who is there by mistake. I'm guessing that this is a bug? Not really sure how to continue the save other than just by guessing and recognizing any names as actually managers.

frangipard · 04-05-2015, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron singer

Now I see that many former executives are listed as managers; Jim Hendry, Steve Phillips, Andy MacPhail, Larry Beinfest, Dave Littlefield and Bill Bavasi are names I immediately recognize. Without knowing hidden traits of the others, I'm not sure who is actually a manager and who is there by mistake. I'm guessing that this is a bug? Not really sure how to continue the save other than just by guessing and recognizing any names as actually managers.

It's just an error in the roster. I've notified them in the roster thread, so hopefully they're aware of it. I'd just google the names; they're all real people, after all. AFICT, the actual under the hood ratings are all fine.

The Wolf · 04-05-2015, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by frangipard

And A-Rod is 0 for controversy. And "Extremely popular."

Now THAT'S a bug.

SodoMojo · 04-12-2015, 02:22 PM

So upon further research it looks like the higher the score in controversy the better...which flipping the logic means it mine as well say "handle controversy" like the others.

adaptability (higher is better)
controversy (higher is better)
handle success (higher is better)
handle failure (higher is better)
handle critics (higher is better)

Screenshot below shows a 199 controversy ranking = humble

Déjà Bru · 04-12-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SodoMojo

So upon further research it looks like the higher the score in controversy the better...which flipping the logic means it mine as well say "handle controversy" like the others.

adaptability (higher is better)
controversy (higher is better)
handle success (higher is better)
handle failure (higher is better)
handle critics (higher is better)

Screenshot below shows a 199 controversy ranking = humble

Good follow-up, thanks. Then it should be labeled "handle controversy" like the other ones.

Déjà Bru · 04-12-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Good follow-up, thanks. Then it should be labeled "handle controversy" like the other ones.

Hmmm. Except for one thing. I think Personality Class is linked to the traditional six personality traits, Leadership through Intelligence. I just tested this by zeroing out (making for a very bland person) those six while maximizing the five new personality traits. Still a "normal" guy. I bet your player is "Humble" because he is high in Loyalty and low in Greed.

Déjà Bru · 04-12-2015, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Hmmm. Except for one thing. I think Personality Class is linked to the traditional six personality traits, Leadership through Intelligence. I just tested this by zeroing out (making for a very bland person) those six while maximizing the five new personality traits. Still a "normal" guy. I bet your player is "Humble" because he is high in Loyalty and low in Greed.

Hmmm again. This time, I made everything zero except for Controversy, and got "Outspoken." So I am wrong, but maybe you are too in that high Controversy seems to yield a loud mouth?

Déjà Bru · 04-12-2015, 03:12 PM

Ah, good old Matt Arnold:

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I kept going back and forth on this myself when I started using it, and that is correct. A player with a high controversy rating is a player who tends to be controversial or outspoken.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ntroversy.html

So you were right to begin with, SodoMojo. Lower controversy is better.

SodoMojo · 04-12-2015, 03:24 PM

Yup seems that I was.

Odd though imo for someone who is really outspoken to have a "humble" tag. The two don't mix and match.

Déjà Bru · 04-12-2015, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SodoMojo

Yup seems that I was.

Odd though imo for someone who is really outspoken to have a "humble" tag. The two don't mix and match.

I was thinking about that. I now believe that tag is a blend of everything, with the most salient personality traits governing and some traits perhaps cancelling each other out. It's certainly not going to be cut and dried, but that's IRL, too. In your case, I think again that your "Humble" guy is most prominently loyal and not greedy, a combination that offsets or overrules the controversy rating. Good discussion, though.

Lukas Berger · 04-12-2015, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aaron singer

Now I see that many former executives are listed as managers; Jim Hendry, Steve Phillips, Andy MacPhail, Larry Beinfest, Dave Littlefield and Bill Bavasi are names I immediately recognize. Without knowing hidden traits of the others, I'm not sure who is actually a manager and who is there by mistake. I'm guessing that this is a bug? Not really sure how to continue the save other than just by guessing and recognizing any names as actually managers.

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Originally Posted by frangipard

It's just an error in the roster. I've notified them in the roster thread, so hopefully they're aware of it. I'd just google the names; they're all real people, after all. AFICT, the actual under the hood ratings are all fine.

It's actually a bug, not a roster error. They're set correctly in the rosters, but that changed when the rosters are imported into the game.

Murcer · 09-29-2015, 10:41 AM

These new ratings are fine but is there any way to view them at a macro level?

They don't show up when you export rosters and I don't see them as options when you customize views on the various screens. I have the same issue with the injury ratings as I don't see anyplace where they can be viewed/exported.

04-12-2015, 02:22 PM	#27
SodoMojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 136	So upon further research it looks like the higher the score in controversy the better...which flipping the logic means it mine as well say "handle controversy" like the others. adaptability (higher is better) controversy (higher is better) handle success (higher is better) handle failure (higher is better) handle critics (higher is better) Screenshot below shows a 199 controversy ranking = humble Attached Images

09-29-2015, 10:41 AM	#35
Murcer Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 268	These new ratings are fine but is there any way to view them at a macro level? They don't show up when you export rosters and I don't see them as options when you customize views on the various screens. I have the same issue with the injury ratings as I don't see anyplace where they can be viewed/exported. Last edited by Murcer; 09-29-2015 at 10:42 AM.

04-05-2015, 05:11 PM	#21
aaron singer Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6	I'm in GM mode, I hired a new manager just as the offseason started, who had a good reputation (Cam Bonifay in fall 2015 after a quick start in 2015 with the White Sox went disastrously wrong), and normal and conventional coaching style. Yet, I then went to try and sign several free agents. I couldn't even offer them a contract, they refused because of my manager's reputation. I guess I'll try firing the manager I just hired, but otherwise I had no idea what was going on there. I've never had that issue in previous games, so I assume it's a new thing based upon the change in coach personality/style/reputation.

04-12-2015, 03:24 PM	#32
SodoMojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 136	Yup seems that I was. Odd though imo for someone who is really outspoken to have a "humble" tag. The two don't mix and match.