Are These Guys Hall-of-Famers? - Page 2

nebradska · 11-28-2014, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

do you think these guys are HOF bound?

Assuming MLB equivalent environment: are you nuts?

chucksabr · 11-29-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nebradska

Assuming MLB equivalent environment: are you nuts?

This is what I was thinking as well. Well, the first part, anyway. Not the second part.

Since 162-game seasons and 20-year careers are the norm in your league, there is no way anyone with a lifetime WAR under 35, and an OPS+ between 96 and 110, deserves to go to the Hall of Fame. If they did, the real Hall of Fame would include such luminaries as Brady Anderson, B. J. Surhoff, Travis Fryman and Jeff Cirillo.

rudel.dietrich · 11-29-2014, 03:11 PM

You could make the case that in select seasons, Hummel actually hurt his team by playing.
It is amazing he racked up so much playing time given that there HAD to be better options available.

Thompson had a shot in his 20s at being an outside HOF contender. But starting in 1993 his peak was over and he actually turned into a below average player.

ThatSeventiesGuy · 11-29-2014, 08:05 PM

Second guy: No way.

First guy: Not currently. Maybe if you'd unretired him to get to 3000 hits, but otherwise, nope, not quite there. A bit more of a iffy proposition, where an argument could actually be made in his favor, though.

Padreman · 12-17-2014, 08:56 PM

can decide about this guy. His wins and saves alone are not that great but combine WINS+SAVES hes over 300. and his WAR is good. but i dont know if WINS+SAVES is a real factor

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Tyler87898 · 12-17-2014, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

can decide about this guy. His wins and saves alone are not that great but combine WINS+SAVES hes over 300. and his WAR is good. but i dont know if WINS+SAVES is a real factor

To me, this guy definitely deserves to be in the HOF.

aclay1919 · 12-18-2014, 02:19 AM

I would say no. The first guy has a shot just due to the hits he accumulated due to durability and longevity, but the second has almost as many strikeouts as hits in his career.

The Game · 12-18-2014, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

can decide about this guy. His wins and saves alone are not that great but combine WINS+SAVES hes over 300. and his WAR is good. but i dont know if WINS+SAVES is a real factor

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John Smoltz like with over 3000 K 1st ballot.

joefromchicago · 12-18-2014, 04:03 PM

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John Smoltz like with over 3000 K 1st ballot.

Well, he's also like Curt Schilling, and Curt wasn't a first-ballot (or second-ballot) hall-of-famer.

hfield007 · 12-18-2014, 11:07 PM

He's better than Dennis Eckersley...

falkonisback · 12-18-2014, 11:54 PM

I'd say no for both. Their AVG and OBP are pretty horrendous...

Trebro · 12-19-2014, 12:31 AM

the 97 career WAR is pretty impressive--how does that match up against other pitchers? Same for the 3000K--is that high? Top 10? Top 50?

I'd be kinda inclined to no--only about 100 saves means he wasn't really a dominant closer type in his later years--but we need more details about the overall league.

The Game · 12-19-2014, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by joefromchicago

Well, he's also like Curt Schilling, and Curt wasn't a first-ballot (or second-ballot) hall-of-famer.

How many career saves does Schill have?

joefromchicago · 12-19-2014, 12:54 PM

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How many career saves does Schill have?

22. They were all from the beginning of his career, before he was turned into a starter. Schilling's value came as a starter, which, in my estimation, makes him more valuable than Smoltz, who was a starter-reliever-starter during his career. The save is one of the most over-valued stats in baseball.

Padreman · 12-19-2014, 01:01 PM

Saves do Matter

jdono927 · 12-19-2014, 01:51 PM

For the Starter/Closer I would say yes, but as others have said, it would be useful to know how his stats stack up all time in your league.

Padreman · 12-19-2014, 01:54 PM

Well wins and saves alone he's no near the top my all-time saves leader had 702 and my all-time wins leader had 382. My time strike out guy has 4112. But his was out him in the top 30

jdono927 · 12-19-2014, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Padreman

Well wins and saves alone he's no near the top my all-time saves leader had 702 and my all-time wins leader had 382. My time strike out guy has 4112. But his was out him in the top 30

Then yes, he should be in the HOF

ThatSeventiesGuy · 12-19-2014, 05:10 PM

I'd put him in. Some pretty impressive numbers there.

The Game · 12-19-2014, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by joefromchicago

22. They were all from the beginning of his career, before he was turned into a starter. Schilling's value came as a starter, which, in my estimation, makes him more valuable than Smoltz, who was a starter-reliever-starter during his career. The save is one of the most over-valued stats in baseball.

I was guessing he was in single digits because of his wildness early in his career. Smoltz is a better SP and made a darn good CL. How are saves over-valued? You come in with a lead and get 3 outs and you get an accolade for it, I see nothing wrong with that.

11-29-2014, 08:05 PM	#24
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,426	Second guy: No way. First guy: Not currently. Maybe if you'd unretired him to get to 3000 hits, but otherwise, nope, not quite there. A bit more of a iffy proposition, where an argument could actually be made in his favor, though. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

12-17-2014, 08:56 PM	#25
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	can decide about this guy. His wins and saves alone are not that great but combine WINS+SAVES hes over 300. and his WAR is good. but i dont know if WINS+SAVES is a real factor __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

12-19-2014, 01:01 PM	#35
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	Saves do Matter __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

12-19-2014, 01:54 PM	#37
Padreman Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2013 Location: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico (formally San Diego, CA.) Posts: 4,138	Well wins and saves alone he's no near the top my all-time saves leader had 702 and my all-time wins leader had 382. My time strike out guy has 4112. But his was out him in the top 30 __________________ Chargers= Despicable Traitors

12-19-2014, 05:10 PM	#39
ThatSeventiesGuy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 3,426	I'd put him in. Some pretty impressive numbers there. __________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...00&postcount=1

11-29-2014, 03:11 PM	#23
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	You could make the case that in select seasons, Hummel actually hurt his team by playing. It is amazing he racked up so much playing time given that there HAD to be better options available. Thompson had a shot in his 20s at being an outside HOF contender. But starting in 1993 his peak was over and he actually turned into a below average player.

12-18-2014, 02:19 AM	#27
aclay1919 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 196	I would say no. The first guy has a shot just due to the hits he accumulated due to durability and longevity, but the second has almost as many strikeouts as hits in his career.

12-18-2014, 11:07 PM	#30
hfield007 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,713	He's better than Dennis Eckersley...

12-18-2014, 11:54 PM	#31
falkonisback All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Posts: 869	I'd say no for both. Their AVG and OBP are pretty horrendous...

12-19-2014, 12:31 AM	#32
Trebro All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 753	the 97 career WAR is pretty impressive--how does that match up against other pitchers? Same for the 3000K--is that high? Top 10? Top 50? I'd be kinda inclined to no--only about 100 saves means he wasn't really a dominant closer type in his later years--but we need more details about the overall league.

12-19-2014, 01:51 PM	#36
jdono927 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 161	For the Starter/Closer I would say yes, but as others have said, it would be useful to know how his stats stack up all time in your league.