Lots of teams in my league have MR's as closers.... - Page 2

le receveur · 05-06-2014, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by actionjackson

Not so fast. Have you seen the Blue Jays "hand grenade brigade" lately? Yeesh. These guys are true specialists, but it's definitely not the kind of specialist you want, if you're into, you know, winning games and stuff.

yeah but they are not even consistent, as shown last night.

actionjackson · 05-06-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by le receveur

yeah but they are not even consistent, as shown last night.

I ain't complaining. That's the kind of consistency I can definitely live without.

The Wolf · 05-06-2014, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by madj

sounds as if that clearly needs a fix.

wad

The Wolf · 05-06-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlton

What needs to be fixed is the PLAYER STRATEGY function...and I will stomp my feet, ignore any reasonable response and be downright ornery for 8 pages in this thread....

Because apparently that is how things get fixed around here...and THIS needs fixing.

That was uncalled for and totally unnecessary. It was't even true or applicable. Do you wonder why I discount anything you write?

The Wolf · 05-06-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

Stomping your feet is a great start. I would also have to say that no one can go wrong when they ignore reasonable responses. But, I'm sorry simply saying THIS needs fixing is all wrong and isn't going to get you nowhere. I suggest you make use of WE in your requests from now on. WE need THIS fixed.

You're not helping anything.

Andy · 05-06-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

You're not helping anything.

Yeah, I'm staying out of all of this stuff, but one thing I will say is there is no need to bring it up in a separate thread that you hadn't even posted in.

David Watts · 05-06-2014, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy

Yeah, I'm staying out of all of this stuff, but one thing I will say is there is no need to bring it up in a separate thread that you hadn't even posted in.

Cool, your post now officially creates a WE.

tejdog1 · 05-06-2014, 05:35 PM

In this instance, the AI might well be light years ahead of real baseball.

I vehemently disagree with paying elite "closers" that kind of stupid money.

Kimbrel's contract: 2014: $7M, 2015: $9M, 2016: $11M, 2017: $13M
2018 Team Option: $13M ($1M buyout)

For someone who will pitch 75-85 innings a season. Yes, he'll pitch them at an absurdly high level, but... really?

Total misallocation of resources, IMO. The 'save" stat needs to be done away with or rewritten.

olivertheorem · 05-06-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

The AI does do that.

I stand corrected. I wonder, then, how the OP is seeing MR in the closer role if the AI is supposed to be changing it so the pitcher in the closer role has the closer position.

Fyrestorm3 · 05-06-2014, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by olivertheorem

I stand corrected. I wonder, then, how the OP is seeing MR in the closer role if the AI is supposed to be changing it so the pitcher in the closer role has the closer position.

I believe the OP was complaining about real-life MR's being used as closers in OOTP. That's how I read it, anyway:

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Originally Posted by Rockfan616

And there is one team which has two bonafide closers in Rafael Soriano and Grant Balfour but uses them both as the setup guys for another guy who is usually a MR to close out games.

The Wolf · 05-07-2014, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

I believe the OP was complaining about real-life MR's being used as closers in OOTP. That's how I read it, anyway:

Me too. But who is to say that the AI is not making a better choice? I have seen some real-life GM's make some really serious errors when choosing closers before, and I bet you have too.

Questdog · 05-07-2014, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Me too. But who is to say that the AI is not making a better choice? I have seen some real-life GM's make some really serious errors when choosing closers before, and I bet you have too.

If, as the sabermetricians proclaim, it does not much matter who the closer is since an average one will let his team win 85% of the time, how can you make a serious error in choosing one?

Personally, I think the only error to be made is deciding to choose one in the first place. When relievers first came to the fore, they were called fireman because they came in when the other team was threatening a rally and quickly doused the flames. From the 6th inning on, in a close game, the relief ace was expected to be ready to come in at a moment's notice. And just because he came on in the 7th inning yesterday and finished out the game is no reason the manager wouldn't call his number in the 7th inning again today. And tomorrow, too, if needed. And usually there were already men on base. Thus the term "Save" came to be, because the game was very definitely heading for the loss column. What a "Closer" is doing when he comes in to start the 9th inning of a 4 to 2 ballgame, is not in any way in the spirit of "Saving" a game headed for a loss. He is merely closing out the work started by others.

Fyrestorm3 · 05-07-2014, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Me too. But who is to say that the AI is not making a better choice? I have seen some real-life GM's make some really serious errors when choosing closers before, and I bet you have too.

Never said I agreed with the OP's complaints. I'm trying to stay out of the argument(s) this time around. Just explaining to Oliver what I believe the thread was about.

Carlton · 05-07-2014, 08:47 AM

The ignore function works great until someone quotes them

Anyway,

To again bring it up

This CAN be fixed in game when you are in Commish Mode, but in order for that to happen, PLAYER STRATEGY must be fixed.

In my 1995 Dynasty, even using current year stats as the biggest AI guideline, Dennis Eckersley remained a closer with a 2-13 6.88 ERA and 15 blown saves, I could have force started a different reliever as closer and been done with it, but nope...doesn't work.

We should always be allowed to "fix" the AI, in Commish mode, that what it is intended for correct?

The Wolf · 05-07-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

Never said I agreed with the OP's complaints. I'm trying to stay out of the argument(s) this time around. Just explaining to Oliver what I believe the thread was about.

I agree with you and understand.

olivertheorem · 05-07-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

I believe the OP was complaining about real-life MR's being used as closers in OOTP. That's how I read it, anyway:

Ok, things make a bit more sense now.

05-06-2014, 05:35 PM	#28
tejdog1 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Danbury, CT Posts: 1,640	In this instance, the AI might well be light years ahead of real baseball. I vehemently disagree with paying elite "closers" that kind of stupid money. Kimbrel's contract: 2014: $7M, 2015: $9M, 2016: $11M, 2017: $13M 2018 Team Option: $13M ($1M buyout) For someone who will pitch 75-85 innings a season. Yes, he'll pitch them at an absurdly high level, but... really? Total misallocation of resources, IMO. The 'save" stat needs to be done away with or rewritten. __________________ It's amazing How you make your face just like a wall How you take your heart and turn it off How I turn my head and lose it all And it's unnerving How just one move puts me by myself There you go just trusting someone else Now I know I put us both through hell ~Matchbox 20, "Leave" Everyone knows it's spelled "TRAID", not trade

05-07-2014, 08:47 AM	#34
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	The ignore function works great until someone quotes them Anyway, To again bring it up This CAN be fixed in game when you are in Commish Mode, but in order for that to happen, PLAYER STRATEGY must be fixed. In my 1995 Dynasty, even using current year stats as the biggest AI guideline, Dennis Eckersley remained a closer with a 2-13 6.88 ERA and 15 blown saves, I could have force started a different reliever as closer and been done with it, but nope...doesn't work. We should always be allowed to "fix" the AI, in Commish mode, that what it is intended for correct?