Dynasty: Connor McDavid

[Sebmono]

My guess is that his goal scoring lead him to having a high +/- which was probably a big factor in the "defensive forward" thing.

[tcblcommish]

An ugly 14-15 season for not only the Otters but for McDavid as well. He played 60 games this past season and amassed 58 points with 18 goals. His -8 was a low point for him as well.


The Otters made the playoffs but if they play the same way as they did in the regular season, they won't be in for very long.

In the first round, McDavid was very good, picking up 8 points in the 4 game sweep of the Greyhounds but after that series, the Otters were blown away by the London Knights and McDavid only registered 2 points.

Next on tap for McDavid, the NHL entry draft.

[tcblcommish]

As expected, Connor McDavid was taken 1st overall in the NHL entry draft and were selected by the San Jose Sharks. Now the real stuff begins.

Will McDavid be good enough to stay, will he go back to the CHL? Only time will tell for the 19 year old.

[Sebmono]

Wow, San Jose! How did they plummet hard enough to grab that first overall pick?

[Rasmuth]

geez...his OHL numbers are very underwhelming, especially with how he's really performing at that level.

Reinhart to the Sabres...that sounds about right.

[Rasmuth]

btw...where did the Sabres draft in 2015 and who did they get?

[Mafarfloune]

Originally Posted by Sebmono

My guess is that his goal scoring lead him to having a high +/- which was probably a big factor in the "defensive forward" thing.

Which would be kind of stupid because +/- is really more of an offensive stat.

[Sebmono]

Well +/- has many flaws (I really dislike it as a stat in general actually), but it's popularly considered a measure of both offense and defense. Hence all the criticisms this year over Ovi's "bad defense" because he has such a negative +/-. Again, I disagree with all that talk, but that's what people say.

[G-Nuke]

Originally Posted by Mafarfloune

Which would be kind of stupid because +/- is really more of an offensive stat.

It's supposed to measure effective offense vs defense.


In theory a player with 50 even strength points and +25 and a player with 75 even strength points and + 25 contributed equally to their teams success, but clearly the first player did it through effective defense whereas the second did it through effective offense. Chances are ofcourse that the first guy does more for the PK and the second for the PP.


It's a valuable stat as a way to eye-ball how effective a player has been, but to really evaluate how good a player is defensively you'd need to look at TOI and Goals Against, almost the way you calculate a goalies GAA (and I'd even split it between Even Strength and on the PK).

[Mafarfloune]

Originally Posted by G-Nuke

It's supposed to measure effective offense vs defense.


In theory a player with 50 even strength points and +25 and a player with 75 even strength points and + 25 contributed equally to their teams success, but clearly the first player did it through effective defense whereas the second did it through effective offense. Chances are ofcourse that the first guy does more for the PK and the second for the PP.


It's a valuable stat as a way to eye-ball how effective a player has been, but to really evaluate how good a player is defensively you'd need to look at TOI and Goals Against, almost the way you calculate a goalies GAA (and I'd even split it between Even Strength and on the PK).

Yes, but that ignores line matching, which is typically used to have your best defensive players contain the other teams' best players. So what really happens is that the best defensive players in the world are tasked with facing Crosby, Datsyuk, Stamkos, Ovechkin and the likes and will be lucky to finish a season at even or better. (and then idiot fans think a defensive player is terrible for finishing the season at -5 and want him out of town.) Meanwhile, the best offensive guys are facing players who's primary objective is not to score goals, but to not get scored on. So, typically, offensive lines will score more goals than they give up, and defensive lines will score fewer goals than they give up. Hence, +/- is an offensive stat.

And that is why you have guys like Ovechkin and Mike Green going +40 in 2010, whilst guys like Jay Pandolfo could finish their career at -1.

[tcblcommish]

Originally Posted by Rasmuth

btw...where did the Sabres draft in 2015 and who did they get?

No idea who went where for this past season to be honest, I have no idea where to find that out once I went past a certain date. If you know how, please tell me and I will look and post.

As for his OHL numbers, they are terrible. Should be 10x better but maybe this season will be a bit better. We shall see as the simming is going on right now.

[geckon]

Originally Posted by tcblcommish

No idea who went where for this past season to be honest, I have no idea where to find that out once I went past a certain date. If you know how, please tell me and I will look and post.

As for his OHL numbers, they are terrible. Should be 10x better but maybe this season will be a bit better. We shall see as the simming is going on right now.

It should be somewhere in League History.

EDIT: League Menu - League History - select the season - click on Draft button.

[tcblcommish]

Originally Posted by geckon

It should be somewhere in League History.

EDIT: League Menu - League History - select the season - click on Draft button.

Ok after I finish the sim for the season, I will go thru the Sabres picks an tell you who they picked up. I can say that picking up Sam Reinhart was a great pick as he is 5th in scoring right now, 60 games thru the season

[tcblcommish]

Unless McDavid gets sent back to the OHL as an overager, his OHL career has come to an end. This past season was a good one for McDavid although his points total was still a little lower than I expected, he scored 33 goals. He added 35 assists as well to give him 68 points in his 59 games. Not too bad but not as outstanding as it should be.

His ability overall has incresed to an 8.0 and being in the OHL, that should have made him dominate unless of course that rating is based on his ranking in the league and if that is the case, he isn't even the best player on his team right now. His 10.5 potential is a little lower than it was, dropped a half point from before.

[tcblcommish]

Here is the 2014-15 Draft for the Sabres

1. Jack Eichel C
1. Jordan Greenway LW
2. Justin Lemcke RD
2. Carson Vance LD
4. Maxim Tretiak G
5. Stanislav Varenik RW
6. Jan Stencel LD/RD
7. Kevin McMillan C

[Sebmono]

Originally Posted by tcblcommish

Unless McDavid gets sent back to the OHL as an overager, his OHL career has come to an end. This past season was a good one for McDavid although his points total was still a little lower than I expected, he scored 33 goals. He added 35 assists as well to give him 68 points in his 59 games. Not too bad but not as outstanding as it should be.

His ability overall has incresed to an 8.0 and being in the OHL, that should have made him dominate unless of course that rating is based on his ranking in the league and if that is the case, he isn't even the best player on his team right now. His 10.5 potential is a little lower than it was, dropped a half point from before.

From what I recall being mentioned elsewhere I do believe that the rating is relative to his level of play, so in this case OHL. Little surprised to see him not dominating, perhaps the updated match engine would change this a bit? Also, who is the best player on his team as of this last season?