I'm going to enjoy watching Cano strike out.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Déjà Bru

Just this, then I'll move on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/14/sp...pw&rref=sports

I highlighted that last part. Remember now, it wasn't about the money. Yeah, right.

Cano is going to hit his homers against the Yankees for sure. But when he strikes out, I will be celebrating all the more because it's him. And when he doesn't run out a fly ball the way he should, as I've seen him do often, I will smile instead of frowning.

And obviously Cano was just copying exactly what Rodriguez did, and expecting to get similar results.

Cano didn't set the expectations. Yankees did with their unreasonable contracts in the past few years. Why would you expect Cano to be the one sucking up just so Yankees can continue to afford all the other overpaid deals, including new ones this offseason?

No matter how you slice it, nothing Cano did was out of the norm. It's the Yankees front office suddenly treating Cano differently from other players.

[Orcin]

Maybe things would have been different if Cano's camp hadn't started the public negotiation by leaking a demand of $300 million over 10 years.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Orcin

Maybe things would have been different if Cano's camp hadn't started the public negotiation by leaking a demand of $300 million over 10 years.

Unlike Rodriguez?

Some of these happened because Jay-Z wants to come into the industry as some kind of big shot. You can see all those buzz as if Jay-Z can challenge Boras.

Still, the background to all this really has been Yankees overpaying all those other players over the years, so Cano just wanted the same.

With Yankees many of these situations can be awkward, like with Bernie Williams.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Unlike Rodriguez?

IIRC Rodriguez threatened to exercise his opt-out clause and the Yankees offered the 10yr/$275M contract to keep him.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by Orcin

IIRC Rodriguez threatened to exercise his opt-out clause and the Yankees offered the 10yr/$275M contract to keep him.

He did opt out, and then the Yankees gave him a even bigger contract for him to come back. During this process, Texas Rangers was relieved of $21m they originally still owed Yankees for Rodriguez's contract.



From the Yankees point of view, the Rodriguez contract was a mistake, and they have no interest repeating that. From Cano's point of view, he's been contributing more than Rodriguez, so he'd question why the mistake can be made on him also.

I don't think anybody really did anything wrong in the Cano case. Yankees didn't want to overpay, and Marines wanted to overpay. Cano took the bigger contract. Cano felt lack of respect from Yankees because he's comparing himself to other Yankees, and I think that's justified also.

[knightdreamer2k]

I don't know how you can compare Rodriguez at the time with Cano now. Arod was a beast then. Not only that but he sells tickets due to his fame. Go ask non-baseball fans who Arod is, and then go ask who Cano is. I'm positive one is alot more popular (love or hate) than the other one.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by knightdreamer2k

I don't know how you can compare Rodriguez at the time with Cano now. Arod was a beast then. Not only that but he sells tickets due to his fame. Go ask non-baseball fans who Arod is, and then go ask who Cano is. I'm positive one is alot more popular (love or hate) than the other one.

Why can't you compare? You can compare with others like Ellsbury, Teixeira, Sabathia, and Jeter also.

The point is that Yankees have a pattern of overpaying, just not in the case of Cano. Of course Cano can consider that an insult if he wants.

[knightdreamer2k]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Why can't you compare? You can compare with others like Ellsbury, Teixeira, Sabathia, and Jeter also.

The point is that Yankees have a pattern of overpaying, just not in the case of Cano. Of course Cano can consider that an insult if he wants.

The Yankees don't overpay for every player first off. Some players have taken less money, to sign with them. Like any sport sometimes you have to overpay get a guy you want. Also the Yankees have more glaring issues than just Cano.
Cano can feel anything he wanted, the issue was the years. I'm not saying I blame him for going to Seattle but to feel disrespected is kinda...lame. Yankees overpay to win not be medicore (seattle).

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by knightdreamer2k

The Yankees don't overpay for every player first off. Some players have taken less money, to sign with them. Like any sport sometimes you have to overpay get a guy you want. Also the Yankees have more glaring issues than just Cano.
Cano can feel anything he wanted, the issue was the years. I'm not saying I blame him for going to Seattle but to feel disrespected is kinda...lame. Yankees overpay to win not be medicore (seattle).

Respect is just whatever one wants it to be. What's lame for one would be important for another. I find most people's respect for soldiers, police, and firemen to be lame, but that's just me and I don't really talk about them.

[knightdreamer2k]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Respect is just whatever one wants it to be. What's lame for one would be important for another. I find most people's respect for soldiers, police, and firemen to be lame, but that's just me and I don't really talk about them.

I'm really starting to think that you like to debate with yourself. I mean i don't really know what is your point. Long story short your saying that everyone has an opinion. I'm so glad we cleared that up.

[knightdreamer2k]

I mean at the end of the day I'm saying it is Lame and you are saying it is not. The end.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by knightdreamer2k

I'm really starting to think that you like to debate with yourself. I mean i don't really know what is your point. Long story short your saying that everyone has an opinion. I'm so glad we cleared that up.

That's not what I mean. If your argument is nothing more than "it's lame", then you really don't have an argument at all.

That's why I said I don't bother talking about what I think is lame, because I don't think that kind of points are valid. Why even bring that kind of point up?

[Skipaway]

And my point in this thread is that there is nothing wrong with what Cano said or did. Those are all pretty reasonable.

However, if people want to have irrational reasoning to irrationally hate or like Cano, that's fine. It's not like love for any team or even love for baseball itself is anything rational to begin with. Just don't pretend that somehow Cano is somewhat inferior in his reasoning.


So if many of the above posts are just trash-talking instead of attempts to have discussions, I am sorry that I misunderstood people.

[knightdreamer2k]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

That's not what I mean. If your argument is nothing more than "it's lame", then you really don't have an argument at all.

That's why I said I don't bother talking about what I think is lame, because I don't think that kind of points are valid. Why even bring that kind of point up?

Who said I was arguing? Its a statement. I think it is silly that CANO feels disrepected. There is not much to it. My opinion right? Nothing left to talk about here.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

I find most people's respect for soldiers, police, and firemen to be lame

I certainly hope you never find yourself in a position to need one of these people. Service to one's community or nation is NEVER lame. These people deserve our respect.

[Mr. Baseball]

The fact that any GM is willing to sign any player to a ten year contract makes me question their sanity. I'd never go over six years and it's rare that I would even cut a deal that high. So much can happen over a long time span that it's not worth the risk.

[John Madden]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I certainly hope you never find yourself in a position to need one of these people. Service to one's community or nation is NEVER lame. These people deserve our respect.

You need all kinds of things to survive, lots of them more often than a police officer or firefighter. Especially more than the military.

[John Madden]

Originally Posted by Mr. Baseball

The fact that any GM is willing to sign any player to a ten year contract makes me question their sanity. I'd never go over six years and it's rare that I would even cut a deal that high. So much can happen over a long time span that it's not worth the risk.

It's been said (maybe not here, I'm not re-reading it!) that you have to view these long contracts a little differently. If you want/need premier FA talent, you're going to have to buy some years that when looked at by themselves are going to look terrible. But, if you can get yourself a world series win in the first few seasons (especially for a team like Seattle) you probably consider it worth it.

[BoSoxFan]

Yankee fans who make fun of Red Sox fans' "sour grapes" when their free agents go walking should take a look at this thread.

[Mr. Baseball]

The difference between a quality hitter and an average hitter is about 20-40 hits every 1,000 at-bats. Not worth it. I understand paying for pitching because good pitchers can save you a run per game, but a hitter really doesn't have much impact by themselves. Pitching wins championships isn't just a saying, it's the truth. You can win championships with three or four above-average hurlers in your stating rotation and good defense (which is way easier to obtain than good bats). Forget the lineup. If you give me two aces, another all-star, and a slightly above average SP, I'm content with a team OBP of .320.