Uh Oh for Manti Te'o?

[AnotherAlias]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Kind of sad the world we live in, this season he won countless awards making him the most decorated defensive player in college football, coming second in the Heisman and playing on a team that only lost one game that being the BCS National Championship Game and he only gets a mention on this board because of an internet story.

I agree. It's pretty sad.

The guy was duped and too embarrassed to make it public, it appears. Even Notre Dame is backing him on this.

Just some internet junkies trying to make a name for themselves by trashing a great player.

[jaxmagicman]

Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

Which list do I make?

I have actually met you, but that still doesn't change how sad I would be. Shoot, I was sad just hearing about the deaths in your family that you had to deal with over the last couple years.

[AnotherAlias]

Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

I have actually met you, but that still doesn't change how sad I would be. Shoot, I was sad just hearing about the deaths in your family that you had to deal with over the last couple years.

Thanks, dude. It's been a painful couple of years.

I thought about contacting you when my wife, daughter and I visited Disney World in the beginning of this year, but I wasn't sure if you'd be up for dinner. Besides, the fact I am not a Red Lobster fan, our schedule was pretty packed. All of the theme parks and visiting with my cousin from Miami...not enough time for much else.

My sister from England even hung out for four days with us down there.

We do plan on going back. When we do, let's get together...as long as it isn't Red Lobster.

[AnotherAlias]

Back on topic...

The media failed in this story as well. Why didn't they investigate the girlfriend's death? Just proves how lame the media is too.

[LivnLegend]

So, guessing "Te'o'd" (or Te'-oing) will now be a word.

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

Back on topic...

The media failed in this story as well. Why didn't they investigate the girlfriend's death? Just proves how lame the media is too.

Why would they? Unless they had a reason to think it was supicious. Why don't they investigate his grandmother's death? Does he even really have a grandmother?

[AnotherAlias]

Originally Posted by CD1083

Why would they? Unless they had a reason to think it was supicious. Why don't they investigate his grandmother's death? Does he even really have a grandmother?

Because of the simple fact that the two deaths happened so close to each other in time. And that Te'o was in the National spotlight.

Not a single media outlet investigated the passing of this girl? That's plain negligence. The story sounded much better apparently, so they ran with it. Sometimes, fiction sells better than truth.

His Grandma? I think the body was proof enough.

[Mecza]

So, guessing "Te'o'd" (or Te'-oing) will now be a word.

It already is. Plenty of memes out there circulating.

Kind of sad the world we live in, this season he won countless awards making him the most decorated defensive player in college football, coming second in the Heisman and playing on a team that only lost one game that being the BCS National Championship Game and he only gets a mention on this board because of an internet story.

This is totally a sad and bizarre story. However, he may not have won some of the awards if he didn't go through his alleged hardship. His Heisman run may have been boosted by his alleged hardship. I didn't even watch the championship game because I'm more of a casual football fan to begin with. The first time I ever heard of this kid was because of the story about his grandmother and "girlfriend."

Speaking for myself, this story is particularly compelling because there exists contradiction after contradiction about how he met this woman. Some people are stating (even a professional football player from Arizona) that they physically met her. What? This literally doesn't make any sense.

Secondly, Notre Dame has a history of shady dealings in the past. More so recently when it comes to Lizzy Seeburg and Declan Sullivan.

Notre Dame failing to live up to its name - Chicago Tribune

Combined with Lance Armstrong lying for years, the whole Penn. State scandal, steroid era, Ohio St & Jim Tressel, etc...I lean towards that he was in on it and now the ND spin machine is in full effect. Swarbrick was stumbling all over his words in the press conference. Te'o cancelled an interview he was scheduled to have today with an ESPN reporter. I understand that the kid is embarrassed about this now but cancelling that interview leads me to believe, among other people, that he is just trying to craft his story. Now that the cat is out of the bag, wouldn't it be in his best interest to just be as candid about this as possible?

I hope this is just an unfortunate situation in which he was tricked, but I dunno...

Not a single media outlet investigated the passing of this girl? That's plain negligence. The story sounded much better apparently, so they ran with it. Sometimes, fiction sells better than truth.

This is so damning about reporting today. One literally can't trust major news outlets to just report accurate information anymore.

[LivnLegend]

Originally Posted by CD1083

Why would they? Unless they had a reason to think it was supicious. Why don't they investigate his grandmother's death? Does he even really have a grandmother?

We're not talking exactly serious investivative journalism here, maybe google a name and look into the results. That's usually about the limit for the goofs at Deadspin but apparently not important enough anymore to Serious Sports Journalist guy.

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

Because of the simple fact that the two deaths happened so close to each other in time. And that Te'o was in the National spotlight.

Not a single media outlet investigated the passing of this girl? That's plain negligence. The story sounded much better apparently, so they ran with it. Sometimes, fiction sells better than truth.

His Grandma? I think the body was proof enough.

1) He wasn't in the National Spotlight until Notre Dame started winning game after game. The GF/GMA death's haven't been a huge focus of his stardom. His play has, thus there wasn't a real need to investigate. Had he somehow revolved his spotlight by exploiting the deaths, I could see how someone would want to look into it.

2) Don't you think Te'o (and all other collegiate atheletes) have a right to privacy since they aren't paid for their services? I fail to see how it's the media's job to investigate innocuous family matters involving students.

3) How is it negligence? Who was hurt (other than Te'o) by the media not doing "their" job?

4) If you want to call out the media on not doing their due diligence regarding Notre Dame affairs, I suggest you look elsewhere.

Notre Dame and Penn State: Two Rape Scandals, Only One Cry for Justice | The Nation

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by LivnLegend

We're not talking exactly serious investivative journalism here, maybe google a name and look into the results. That's usually about the limit for the goofs at Deadspin but apparently not important enough anymore to Serious Sports Journalist guy.

Seriously?

[AnotherAlias]

Originally Posted by CD1083

1) He wasn't in the National Spotlight until Notre Dame started winning game after game. The GF/GMA death's haven't been a huge focus of his stardom. His play has, thus there wasn't a real need to investigate. Had he somehow revolved his spotlight by exploiting the deaths, I could see how someone would want to look into it.

2) Don't you think Te'o (and all other collegiate atheletes) have a right to privacy since they aren't paid for their services? I fail to see how it's the media's job to investigate innocuous family matters involving students.

3) How is it negligence? Who was hurt (other than Te'o) by the media not doing "their" job?

4) If you want to call out the media on not doing their due diligence regarding Notre Dame affairs, I suggest you look elsewhere.

Notre Dame and Penn State: Two Rape Scandals, Only One Cry for Justice | The Nation

The media was responsible for sensationalizing the death of his girlfriend. It was their negligence that allowed the girl's death to go un investigated. Responsible journalism involves vetting every story before reporting it to their readers. They failed to do so, therefore they were negligent.

Who was hurt? How about the people that trust the media to get their stories right before reporting them? We are all hurt by media negligence at one time or another.

Using other stories regarding ND is merely a straw-man. Stick to this discussion. We aren't talking about the item you linked.

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

The media was responsible for sensationalizing the death of his girlfriend. It was their negligence that allowed the girl's death to go un investigated. Responsible journalism involves vetting every story before reporting it to their readers. They failed to do so, therefore they were negligent.

Who was hurt? How about the people that trust the media to get their stories right before reporting them? We are all hurt by media negligence at one time or another.

Using other stories regarding ND is merely a straw-man. Stick to this discussion. We aren't talking about the item you linked.

So let me get this straight. Te'o says he has a girlfriend and that she died. It's the media's job to locate the girlfriend's family and confirm that she not only existed but also died?

You say that Te's grandmother's body is proof....did the media confirm that? Did the media confirm Troy Smith's brother existed and is dead? How about Marcell Darius's brother, did the media confirm those as well? What about Bret Favre, is his father dead?

My link is not a strawman. It's a redirection to a legitimate issue with the media. Why must you minimize it by declaring this story as their responsibility when they should be focusing on more important issues.

One does not investigate something unless they are led to believe there is a reason to investigate it. In this instance nobody was given a reason to think there was anything more to the story until now.

Researching someone's existence takes a little more than a google search as was suggested.

[AnotherAlias]

Originally Posted by CD1083

So let me get this straight. Te'o says he has a girlfriend and that she died. It's the media's job to locate the girlfriend's family and confirm that she not only existed but also died?

You say that Te's grandmother's body is proof....did the media confirm that? Did the media confirm Troy Smith's brother existed and is dead? How about Marcell Darius's brother, did the media confirm those as well? What about Bret Favre, is his father dead?

1) With the grandma and the girlfriend dying so close together, don't you think a responsible journalist would verify both? In my experience, credible journalists vet out every national story before releasing said stories to the public. Most media outlets do a good job of this. Clearly, they failed big time with this story.

2) Marcell Dareus's brother's death was confirmed. His body was found and the police verified that Simeon Gilmore, 19...was Dareus' brother. Marcell Dareus' younger brother reportedly killed in shooting - NFL - Sporting News

Pelham homicide victim was brother of former Alabama lineman, Buffalo Bill Marcell Dareus | al.com

3) Troy Smith's brother? Here's a link. The media did their job and verified the younger brother was killed in an accident. How you might ask? The body was a dead giveaway. Smith suits up after brother's death, scores 2 TDs - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Like LL said, it's easy to google this stuff. Any more questions about the media verifying other deaths? Ususally when there is a body, it's quite easy to verify.

My link is not a strawman. It's a redirection to a legitimate issue with the media. Why must you minimize it by declaring this story as their responsibility when they should be focusing on more important issues.

One does not investigate something unless they are led to believe there is a reason to investigate it. In this instance nobody was given a reason to think there was anything more to the story until now.

Researching someone's existence takes a little more than a google search as was suggested.

Not really much more. Google, is your friend.

Redirection or strawman...doesn't matter. I'm going to stick to this discussion. If you really need to talk about your other issue, you can start a new thread.

[TribeFanInNC]

I guess I'm still trying to figure out why this is such an important topic that all sports media has to drop everything and talk about it 100%. Every sports radio show I listened to today pretty much had this format:

Teo, Teo, Teo, oh crap I guess we'll talk to this guest we already had booked, Teo, Teo, another prebooked guest lets ask him about Teo, Teo, Teo, Teo, Teo.

Is this the most important topic ever? Sure, it's absurd. Sure, I want to know if he's faking or not, but we don't know that yet. Sure, I want to shine the light on nutballs forging stuff online and wantonly disgracing people in public. But I'm not sure how this fills a 3 or 4 hour radio program. Let's move on and talk some sports too.

I dunno, maybe I just listened to the radio too much today

[Mecza]

Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I guess I'm still trying to figure out why this is such an important topic that all sports media has to drop everything and talk about it 100%. Every sports radio show I listened to today pretty much had this format:

Teo, Teo, Teo, oh crap I guess we'll talk to this guest we already had booked, Teo, Teo, another prebooked guest lets ask him about Teo, Teo, Teo, Teo, Teo.

Is this the most important topic ever? Sure, it's absurd. Sure, I want to know if he's faking or not, but we don't know that yet. Sure, I want to shine the light on nutballs forging stuff online and wantonly disgracing people in public. But I'm not sure how this fills a 3 or 4 hour radio program. Let's move on and talk some sports too.

I dunno, maybe I just listened to the radio too much today

During the football season, his story was presented among all the major networks and felt around the country among football fans. And now that it may have been fabricated? Well, it is understandable that it would be talked about a lot! Better than talking about Tebow all the time.

[CD1083]

Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

1) With the grandma and the girlfriend dying so close together, don't you think a responsible journalist would verify both? In my experience, credible journalists vet out every national story before releasing said stories to the public. Most media outlets do a good job of this. Clearly, they failed big time with this story.

2) Marcell Dareus's brother's death was confirmed. His body was found and the police verified that Simeon Gilmore, 19...was Dareus' brother. Marcell Dareus' younger brother reportedly killed in shooting - NFL - Sporting News

Pelham homicide victim was brother of former Alabama lineman, Buffalo Bill Marcell Dareus | al.com

3) Troy Smith's brother? Here's a link. The media did their job and verified the younger brother was killed in an accident. How you might ask? The body was a dead giveaway. Smith suits up after brother's death, scores 2 TDs - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Like LL said, it's easy to google this stuff. Any more questions about the media verifying other deaths? Ususally when there is a body, it's quite easy to verify.




Not really much more. Google, is your friend.

Redirection or strawman...doesn't matter. I'm going to stick to this discussion. If you really need to talk about your other issue, you can start a new thread.

Everything is clearer in hindsight. There was nothing to look into. Every day people die, many of them have relationships with public figures and I guarantee you there isn't a unit within the media that investigates them.

Apparently you think there should be one.

Since you're so good with google. My father died. Confirm it.

[TribeFanInNC]

Originally Posted by Mecza

Better than talking about Tebow all the time.

Well, I certainly can't argue with that!

[thehef]

Whether Te'o was in the hoax (appears unlikely) or not - and embellishing the details of a relationship that he thought was real does not constitute in on the hoax - as long as he can play Sunday-level football, he'll recover. After all, Ray Lewis sure did. And that involved not just an actual death, but a murder.

[AnotherAlias]

Originally Posted by CD1083

Everything is clearer in hindsight. There was nothing to look into. Every day people die, many of them have relationships with public figures and I guarantee you there isn't a unit within the media that investigates them.

And how can you guarantee that? You had questions about the deaths of the brothers of two NFL players that I helped you with information about their deaths. Give me one good reason that I should trust any sort of guarantee coming from you?

Originally Posted by CD1083

Since you're so good with google. My father died. Confirm it.

So did mine, so did my Mom, so did my brother...all within the last 26 months. I was able to confirm their deaths.

I'm not a journalist, but I'll try to confirm your dad's death.

Post your father's full name, where he was born, where he died and the manner in which he died. It'll give me a place to start.