Online League Poll: - Page 2

coljesep · 06-28-2011, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killebrew

You mention you're a commish in the 9 year FPS league. I assume that means that is an online league and you have never run a team in the league?

Regarding the other leagues mentioned - same scenario? All these leagues run by a commish who has never owned one of the teams? Could you possibly mention which online leagues these are?

Killebrew: Yes sir... FPS was a game made in 1996 and 1998. It was the game that lead to PureSim Baseball. It's very old, and a different style of game than OOTP (no way can it compete) but it works for people who like a simpler approach to an online league. And yes I've never run a team.

And yes the other league is Virtual Baseball League 6. www.vbl6.org, the commish does not, will not and never has owned a team.

fhomess · 06-28-2011, 07:15 PM

I have been in something like a dozen leagues since I started with OOTP4. Of those leagues, I’ve been in several that have had commishes who ran a team, and several where he did not. I also briefly ran a league in which I did not own a team. I strongly prefer leagues where the commish doesn’t run a team because I feel they are fully devoted to league issues. We’re all a part of online leagues because we like to build something up and see it become successful, and the commishes who run leagues in which they do not play tend to have a goal of creating a great league environment. In my experience, this dedicated approach to running a league tends to make for a more engrossing experience. That said, I do think it’s possible to have an excellent league with a commish running a team.

Commishes DO have access to info that the regular league members do not. Commishes can look in the player editor. They can adjust the player editor. They can manipulate contract negotiations. They know the league settings better than the rest of the GM’s. I agree with the idea that commishes don’t have an inherent advantage in terms of time spent analyzing the league, as every GM has the same amount of time in each day. Commishes may have an advantage in terms of communicating with league members simply because they developed some rapport when the GM joined the league in the first place. Of all these advantages, I think the effect is fairly small until you start getting into the player editor arena where I think most people would consider it cheating. That said, I’ve rarely been involved in a league where I thought any cheating was taking place (only once, and I wasn’t all that sure of it). The other league where my commish was accused of cheating was a league where he didn’t run a team, so go figure on that one. The accuser was fairly new to a long standing league and his team was struggling. He was the only one in the league who felt that the commish was not on the up and up.

I’m going to take this discussion a step further and say that I strongly prefer to play against GM’s who are only in one league. Just as having a commish dedicated to the league, GM’s who are dedicated to just the one league tend to be more engaging with the league and more participatory in events beyond roster submissions.

RoryN · 07-01-2011, 10:04 PM

Every league I've ever been in the commish also has a team, and that stretches back to OOTP 4. I've seen both sides with commish's teams winning it all and fielding a good team quite often as well as constant rebuilding to try and have a winning franchise. While it's true the commish may have a slight advantage, I really think that the majority of OOTP commishes run things honestly in their leagues.

Libid21 · 07-01-2011, 11:02 PM

Yes, they do. And I don't mind.

View Poll Results: If you are in an online league does your Commish own a team?
Yes they do, but I wish they didn't	6	12.24%
Yes they do, and I don't mind	38	77.55%
No they do not, and I'm glad they don't	4	8.16%
No they do not, but I wouldn't mind if they did	1	2.04%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

06-28-2011, 07:15 PM	#22
fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,651	I have been in something like a dozen leagues since I started with OOTP4. Of those leagues, I’ve been in several that have had commishes who ran a team, and several where he did not. I also briefly ran a league in which I did not own a team. I strongly prefer leagues where the commish doesn’t run a team because I feel they are fully devoted to league issues. We’re all a part of online leagues because we like to build something up and see it become successful, and the commishes who run leagues in which they do not play tend to have a goal of creating a great league environment. In my experience, this dedicated approach to running a league tends to make for a more engrossing experience. That said, I do think it’s possible to have an excellent league with a commish running a team. Commishes DO have access to info that the regular league members do not. Commishes can look in the player editor. They can adjust the player editor. They can manipulate contract negotiations. They know the league settings better than the rest of the GM’s. I agree with the idea that commishes don’t have an inherent advantage in terms of time spent analyzing the league, as every GM has the same amount of time in each day. Commishes may have an advantage in terms of communicating with league members simply because they developed some rapport when the GM joined the league in the first place. Of all these advantages, I think the effect is fairly small until you start getting into the player editor arena where I think most people would consider it cheating. That said, I’ve rarely been involved in a league where I thought any cheating was taking place (only once, and I wasn’t all that sure of it). The other league where my commish was accused of cheating was a league where he didn’t run a team, so go figure on that one. The accuser was fairly new to a long standing league and his team was struggling. He was the only one in the league who felt that the commish was not on the up and up. I’m going to take this discussion a step further and say that I strongly prefer to play against GM’s who are only in one league. Just as having a commish dedicated to the league, GM’s who are dedicated to just the one league tend to be more engaging with the league and more participatory in events beyond roster submissions. __________________ StatsLab- PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Baseball Cards - Full list of known templates and documentation on card development.

07-01-2011, 11:02 PM	#24
Libid21 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 540	Yes, they do. And I don't mind. __________________ "It is the nature of being the general manager of a baseball team that you have to remain on familiar terms with people you are continually trying to screw." - Michael Lewis in Moneyball

07-01-2011, 10:04 PM	#23
RoryN Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Baker City, OR Posts: 80	Every league I've ever been in the commish also has a team, and that stretches back to OOTP 4. I've seen both sides with commish's teams winning it all and fielding a good team quite often as well as constant rebuilding to try and have a winning franchise. While it's true the commish may have a slight advantage, I really think that the majority of OOTP commishes run things honestly in their leagues.