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[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Will my city, nation, name files etc transfer over into 12 easily or will I have to remake all of them ? Maybe wrong but sure somebody said you have to re do them, if this is the case then I'll be passing on 12 as I must have put around 50-60 hours doing those files to what I want them to be.

You will have to redo them.

But the new XML format is superior, and editable, and larger, and better organized, and easier to customize and it makes far more sense. It didn't take me long at all to edit out the nations that have never produced an MLB player to date.

It's worth it. Trust me.

Buy the game.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by jmm8356

You're such a fanboy. :P

Only of OOTP 11 and OOTP 12. The OOTP team has been hitting on all cylinders lately.

[ukhotstove]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

You will have to redo them.

But the new XML format is superior, and editable, and larger, and better organized, and easier to customize and it makes far more sense. It didn't take me long at all to edit out the nations that have never produced an MLB player to date.

It's worth it. Trust me.

Buy the game.

Sorry but I'll pass, maybe in the future but to have to re make all those files after hours upon hours of work. In the cities file alone I've done 3,500 cities each with seperate populations, long and lat, sounds a good game but not good enough to throw all that work away.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Will my city, nation, name files etc transfer over into 12 easily or will I have to remake all of them ? Maybe wrong but sure somebody said you have to re do them, if this is the case then I'll be passing on 12 as I must have put around 50-60 hours doing those files to what I want them to be.

The new World DB is in XML format, so yes they must be altered to suit the new format.

Not sure on the level of work entailed in the transfer, however.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Sorry but I'll pass, maybe in the future but to have to re make all those files after hours upon hours of work. In the cities file alone I've done 3,500 cities each with seperate populations, long and lat, sounds a good game but not good enough to throw all that work away.

You're making a mistake. The XML files are editable. If you have the data in digital form already then it's just cut and paste.

You really don't want to miss out on OOTP 12 over something as minor as that. Buy it, migrate your data and move on. Or just use the new world data base instead, which is awesome.

You want to be stuck with OOTP 11 for the rest of your life? Of course not! So man up and move on!

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Not sure on the level of work entailed in the transfer, however.

It's not so bad if you use an XML editor.

Details on XML files are here: XML Files - XML Basics - Introduction to XML Use, Syntax and Validation

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

But the new XML format is superior, and editable, and larger, and better organized, and easier to customize and it makes far more sense.

Just to give a bit of an 'inside' view on that, the question of a revised world database underwent a lot of discussion as to what it should include and how it should be structured, and how the various bits of information should relate to one another and how they might be used in various aspects of the game.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Just to give a bit of an 'inside' view on that, the question of a revised world database underwent a lot of discussion as to what it should include and how it should be structured, and how the various bits of information should relate to one another and how they might be used in various aspects of the game.

Okay, you talked about it. Exactly what did you decide and why?

[kq76]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Sorry but I'll pass, maybe in the future but to have to re make all those files after hours upon hours of work. In the cities file alone I've done 3,500 cities each with seperate populations, long and lat, sounds a good game but not good enough to throw all that work away.

I wouldn't be surprised if with a little spreadsheet magic that it wouldn't be that hard or time-consuming. I'm going to have to do it with mine and if you want I'll make instructions for you to convert yours. If someone else doesn't get to it first that is.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by kq76

I wouldn't be surprised if with a little spreadsheet magic that it wouldn't be that hard or time-consuming. I'm going to have to do it with mine and if you want I'll make instructions for you to convert yours. If someone else doesn't get to it first that is.

If you use an XML editor then the editing is MUCH easier. There are free ones available, check the link above.

[ukhotstove]

I haven't done any work with xml, all my changes in the past have been done with text and spreadsheets, switching between both to find repeat cities, names and such. Anyway if I opened the city file which is xml now ? In open office which is what I use can I not just copy and paste my Skelphland cities into it and just save that (which is what i used to do with the old text files) ? And same with the names, weather etc and are they all in xml format now ?

If it's a matter of just copy and paste then I'm fine with that but as you can understand 3,500 cities to redo then it's

[Doctor Robert]

Will a top rated centerfielder still have a negative twenty zone rating in left field the first season you play him there?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by ukhotstove

I haven't done any work with xml, all my changes in the past have been done with text and spreadsheets, switching between both to find repeat cities, names and such. Anyway if I opened the city file which is xml now ? In open office which is what I use can I not just copy and paste my Skelphland cities into it and just save that (which is what i used to do with the old text files) ? And same with the names, weather etc and are they all in xml format now ?

If it's a matter of just copy and paste then I'm fine with that but as you can understand 3,500 cities to redo then it's

Some reformatting will be required. And only the world data - continents, nations, regions, cities, locations, languages, etc. - is now in XML.

[Puckett guy]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

You will have to redo them.

But the new XML format is superior, and editable, and larger, and better organized, and easier to customize and it makes far more sense. It didn't take me long at all to edit out the nations that have never produced an MLB player to date.

It's worth it. Trust me.

Buy the game.

Your comment made me curious as to just how many nations have produced a major league baseball player. The answer is 46 according to this article, although I am not sure we should count the "Kingdom of Hawaii".

List of countries with their first Major League Baseball player - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[albatross11]

Originally Posted by kq76

I wouldn't be surprised if with a little spreadsheet magic that it wouldn't be that hard or time-consuming. I'm going to have to do it with mine and if you want I'll make instructions for you to convert yours. If someone else doesn't get to it first that is.

That would be, if possible, greatly appreciated.

[albatross11]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

You will have to redo them.

But the new XML format is superior, and editable, and larger, and better organized, and easier to customize and it makes far more sense. It didn't take me long at all to edit out the nations that have never produced an MLB player to date.

It's worth it. Trust me.

Buy the game.

Wolf, you love OOTP12, and I'm happy for you (and others). But, I don't think you quite understand what people who aren't thrilled about the "enhanced" world database are saying. If over the years someone has been content with the cities and nation text files "as shipped", and they've only made some minor changes (i.e. altering racial/ethnic make-ups, omitting cities/nations, etc), then I can see how the new world database would seem "enhanced", "superior", and "editable". That type of editing would only require deleting some lines, or changing some numbers. If, on the other hand, someone has spent (literally) years modifying their cities file to their liking (OOTP was big on "customization"), then adding that data to the new world database becomes a big thing. Right now that is a "seemingly" impossible task, but I'm sure that "great minds" are working on it, and the results will soon be pouring in . None of the other features of OOTP12 have cause me to salivate or become giddy, but OOTP11 is still a great version of a great game, so I'm still enjoying OOTP.

[silvam14]

Im familiar with XML files, but it boggles my mind that no official details on this have come out on this since January.

I mean, I don't know how much work it will entail for the people who severely modify their world files, but you would have thought a "heads up" would have been given with just what is being modified this year as compared to the file format in previous versions.

I have been asking for details on this for some time and the lack of response has made me think the changes were minor.

So I'll ask again, How about some real actual detail on what the files look like and what the differences are?


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[Doctor Robert]

Originally Posted by Doctor Robert

Will a top rated centerfielder still have a negative twenty zone rating in left field the first season you play him there?

plz upd8 thx

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by albatross11

Wolf, you love OOTP12, and I'm happy for you (and others). But, I don't think you quite understand what people who aren't thrilled about the "enhanced" world database are saying. If over the years someone has been content with the cities and nation text files "as shipped", and they've only made some minor changes (i.e. altering racial/ethnic make-ups, omitting cities/nations, etc), then I can see how the new world database would seem "enhanced", "superior", and "editable". That type of editing would only require deleting some lines, or changing some numbers. If, on the other hand, someone has spent (literally) years modifying their cities file to their liking (OOTP was big on "customization"), then adding that data to the new world database becomes a big thing. Right now that is a "seemingly" impossible task, but I'm sure that "great minds" are working on it, and the results will soon be pouring in . None of the other features of OOTP12 have cause me to salivate or become giddy, but OOTP11 is still a great version of a great game, so I'm still enjoying OOTP.

This data format change is just like the change in UI from 6.5 to OOTP 2006; you can love it, hate it, or be indifferent to it but it's the future and you are going to have to deal with it sooner or later. A wise OOTP user would start doing that as soon as possible. Acting like a witch doctor seeing his first cigarette lighter or an art major facing her first statistics class isn't going to do anyone any good, nor is waiting for some magical solution to appear. You are going to have to edit your own world XML file sooner or later - either that or use the stock one or someone else's. Your call, but procrastination isn't going to do you any good here. No offense intended with any of this, but the train is leaving the station - with or without you. I'm on board. You coming?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by silvam14

I have been asking for details on this for some time and the lack of response has made me think the changes were minor.

So I'll ask again, How about some real actual detail on what the files look like and what the differences are?

You'd need to see a copy of the file. Would it be legal to email you one? If it is, I will.