Real transactions and real line-ups. - Page 2

Russ · 05-25-2011, 09:29 PM

Placing x on the DL and calling up Y to take his place is a transaction. I'm guessing injuries are handled this way. That would be my hope anyway.

pstrickert · 05-25-2011, 10:08 PM

I doubt that a complete record of historical DL placements and activations even exists. In earlier eras, teams did not utilize the DL all that much -- even if a player sustained a significant injury. (LGO could probably supply you with that information.) More recently, teams have not always used the DL much in the month of Sept. (I presume it doesn't matter if an injured player remains on the active roster, since the rosters are expanded.)

The Wolf · 05-25-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Not aimed at you (or, indeed, David Watts) specifically, but it only takes fun out of the game if you use the feature.

Well, of course. Or did I miss something?

Le Grande Orange · 05-26-2011, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by David Watts

If a player isn't in the starting lineup due to a real life injury, but still available in OOTP to be used as a sub, I have little interest in this feature.

There is no way to know for sure whether a player not being used in a real game in 1930 was due to injury, because he was in the minors, or because the manager simply didn't want to use him. The data in regards to this sort of thing is far from complete.

Gambo · 05-26-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tejdog1

Oh SWEET!

So in 1997 the Mets trade for Piazza? Well then in 1995, I'm going to sell high on Hundley, and get back ___________

Likely, with real transactions turned on the ability for the user to make trades and sign players will be disabled. So you're stuck with Hundley.

David Watts · 05-26-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

There is no way to know for sure whether a player not being used in a real game in 1930 was due to injury, because he was in the minors, or because the manager simply didn't want to use him. The data in regards to this sort of thing is far from complete.

I think I'll wait until I see the reviews of those that use this feature. I'm not a big gm type of player so not making trades, free agent signing etc and I hate dealing with team finances. I currently turn all that over to the AI anyway, so real transactions might be a fun way to play if I decide to use real players. Not sure about the real lineups deal. Thanks for your help.

akw4572 · 05-26-2011, 10:01 AM

I am hoping for real transactions, and real-life managers and tendencies. Line ups don't interest me much. I'd like the ability to play historical this way, I wouldn't be able to exploit the AI.

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adaher · 06-05-2011, 04:58 AM

This is actually the primary feature selling me OOTP12. When playing historical leagues, the main frustration for me is having to figure out which players to move to new teams each year. Then I have to do it manually, although I do some what-ifs, like what if the Marlins hadn't done a fire sale after 1997, or what if Connie Mack had kept his players in the 1910s and 1930s.

I don't need perfect day-to-day lineups, but I would like Babe Ruth to go to the Yankees without me having to manually move him there. Given that we already have an option to have rookies all start off on their historic teams, it would make sense that we should also have an option for them to go to each team at the right time during the rest of their career.

Bobbuttons · 06-05-2011, 12:02 PM

I don't see what the issue is for some people with this addition. I'm really looking forward to it. The vast majority of how I play the game is simply historical replays. It's great to have the option to having a league that evolves differently here and there from real MLB history, but it's also nice to be able to have the most accurate replay available, and that includes having players move from team to team accurately. Does it take some of the fun out? You generally know what will happen, sure. Which is why I don't ever actually control a historical team unless I'm free to run it my own way as opposed to how it was run historically. It's not much different than knowing, as Boston in 1940, that your best hitter is soon going to miss several seasons do to war (which is also an available option).

Cornelius McGillicuddy · 06-05-2011, 04:55 PM

This is a very popular feature in the baseball sim industry. As noted PureSim has added it. Some companies, like Action, really promote it as its primary feature and its customers like replaying pbp the actual teams as real as it gets. However, real injuries aren't usually factored in afaik. They will occur as part of the game like OOTP.

I looked at Action and was interested due to their excellent pbp options. But they don't use Lahman and sell each season separately or the whole thing for $950. Too rich for my blood.

The Real MD · 06-05-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rich12545

I looked at Action and was interested due to their excellent pbp options. But they don't use Lahman and sell each season separately or the whole thing for $950. Too rich for my blood.

I use OOTP for fictional play, but Action for my season replays. Action frequently has deeply discounted season sales...right now they're offering the 1980s decade seasons (recently updated) for a little over $6.00 each...all the 1970s seasons were on sale for the same price a few weeks ago. Even at $950, you get 130 seasons, which comes out to about $7.30 each. My point being...with all their sales, it's easy to amass a collection of your favorite seasons without breaking the bank. I've never paid full price for a season disk.

By the way, there's an old Lahman utility out there for Action, so homebrewed seasons are possible. I've created several myself.

84CubsFan · 06-05-2011, 05:43 PM

I'm buying 12 (er, bought 12 a while ago) for this feature, too. The only thing that's really important to me, though, is the real historical schedules that such a feature would require. Or was that a feature of 11, too? (Or am I making the wrong assumption about historical schedules altogether??)

Cornelius McGillicuddy · 06-05-2011, 07:30 PM

That's really good info but ver 12 will include the replay feature and there's zero cost for additional seasons. Good text pbp also. The Action graphics look really cool though but they're not explained very well on their website.

Carplos · 06-05-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 84CubsFan

I'm buying 12 (er, bought 12 a while ago) for this feature, too. The only thing that's really important to me, though, is the real historical schedules that such a feature would require. Or was that a feature of 11, too? (Or am I making the wrong assumption about historical schedules altogether??)

OOTP has had real schedules back to 1901 for ages now and people put together pre-1901 schedules for all major leagues at this point (I believe--I'd have to check my schedule folder.) In some cases pre-1901, there are as-scheduled and as-played.

84CubsFan · 06-06-2011, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Carplos

OOTP has had real schedules back to 1901 for ages now and people put together pre-1901 schedules for all major leagues at this point (I believe--I'd have to check my schedule folder.) In some cases pre-1901, there are as-scheduled and as-played.

In-game or as mods? Last I checked on it, in OOTPX (?), I thought it wasn't part of the game yet, and that there were only a few random season schedules available as mods (mostly by Le Grande Orange, if I remember correctly) (which I may not). Anyway, good to know they're available.

megamanmatt · 06-06-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 84CubsFan

In-game or as mods? Last I checked on it, in OOTPX (?), I thought it wasn't part of the game yet, and that there were only a few random season schedules available as mods (mostly by Le Grande Orange, if I remember correctly) (which I may not). Anyway, good to know they're available.

Nope. all schedules from 1901-2010 are there. They're named something like ML_(whatever year)

Gambo · 06-06-2011, 12:42 AM

One type of league I plan on doing with this feature if possible is running a fictional league starting in lets say 1995 and having the MLB run concurrent with real transactions along side my fictional league and at some point stopping the real transactions and letting the leagues evolve from there.

bosunmate · 06-06-2011, 08:38 AM

I play historical only, but have never replayed a season. I wouldn't mind being able to recreate the 61 season as i was only 10. Up here in Canada back then i rooted for the Tigers but loved the M & M boys in New York. So i could see me trying it out....

swampdragon · 06-06-2011, 09:04 AM

I'm very much looking forward to this, and plan to start a replay beginning with the first season it's implemented, whether that's 1920 or 1950.

akw4572 · 06-06-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Real MD

I use OOTP for fictional play, but Action for my season replays. Action frequently has deeply discounted season sales...right now they're offering the 1980s decade seasons (recently updated) for a little over $6.00 each...all the 1970s seasons were on sale for the same price a few weeks ago. Even at $950, you get 130 seasons, which comes out to about $7.30 each. My point being...with all their sales, it's easy to amass a collection of your favorite seasons without breaking the bank. I've never paid full price for a season disk.

By the way, there's an old Lahman utility out there for Action, so homebrewed seasons are possible. I've created several myself.

Why pay for any season when they are free?

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05-25-2011, 09:29 PM	#21
Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Placing x on the DL and calling up Y to take his place is a transaction. I'm guessing injuries are handled this way. That would be my hope anyway. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

06-05-2011, 12:02 PM	#29
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	I don't see what the issue is for some people with this addition. I'm really looking forward to it. The vast majority of how I play the game is simply historical replays. It's great to have the option to having a league that evolves differently here and there from real MLB history, but it's also nice to be able to have the most accurate replay available, and that includes having players move from team to team accurately. Does it take some of the fun out? You generally know what will happen, sure. Which is why I don't ever actually control a historical team unless I'm free to run it my own way as opposed to how it was run historically. It's not much different than knowing, as Boston in 1940, that your best hitter is soon going to miss several seasons do to war (which is also an available option). __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!

06-05-2011, 05:43 PM	#32
84CubsFan Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 376	I'm buying 12 (er, bought 12 a while ago) for this feature, too. The only thing that's really important to me, though, is the real historical schedules that such a feature would require. Or was that a feature of 11, too? (Or am I making the wrong assumption about historical schedules altogether??) Last edited by 84CubsFan; 06-05-2011 at 05:51 PM.

06-06-2011, 12:42 AM	#37
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	One type of league I plan on doing with this feature if possible is running a fictional league starting in lets say 1995 and having the MLB run concurrent with real transactions along side my fictional league and at some point stopping the real transactions and letting the leagues evolve from there. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

06-06-2011, 09:04 AM	#39
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	I'm very much looking forward to this, and plan to start a replay beginning with the first season it's implemented, whether that's 1920 or 1950. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

05-25-2011, 10:08 PM	#22
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 16,412	I doubt that a complete record of historical DL placements and activations even exists. In earlier eras, teams did not utilize the DL all that much -- even if a player sustained a significant injury. (LGO could probably supply you with that information.) More recently, teams have not always used the DL much in the month of Sept. (I presume it doesn't matter if an injured player remains on the active roster, since the rosters are expanded.)

05-26-2011, 10:01 AM	#27
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	I am hoping for real transactions, and real-life managers and tendencies. Line ups don't interest me much. I'd like the ability to play historical this way, I wouldn't be able to exploit the AI. Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk

06-05-2011, 04:58 AM	#28
adaher Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 22	This is actually the primary feature selling me OOTP12. When playing historical leagues, the main frustration for me is having to figure out which players to move to new teams each year. Then I have to do it manually, although I do some what-ifs, like what if the Marlins hadn't done a fire sale after 1997, or what if Connie Mack had kept his players in the 1910s and 1930s. I don't need perfect day-to-day lineups, but I would like Babe Ruth to go to the Yankees without me having to manually move him there. Given that we already have an option to have rookies all start off on their historic teams, it would make sense that we should also have an option for them to go to each team at the right time during the rest of their career.

06-05-2011, 04:55 PM	#30
Cornelius McGillicuddy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Playing the inside game Posts: 763 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	This is a very popular feature in the baseball sim industry. As noted PureSim has added it. Some companies, like Action, really promote it as its primary feature and its customers like replaying pbp the actual teams as real as it gets. However, real injuries aren't usually factored in afaik. They will occur as part of the game like OOTP. I looked at Action and was interested due to their excellent pbp options. But they don't use Lahman and sell each season separately or the whole thing for $950. Too rich for my blood.

06-05-2011, 07:30 PM	#33
Cornelius McGillicuddy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Playing the inside game Posts: 763 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	That's really good info but ver 12 will include the replay feature and there's zero cost for additional seasons. Good text pbp also. The Action graphics look really cool though but they're not explained very well on their website.

06-06-2011, 08:38 AM	#38
bosunmate All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,705	I play historical only, but have never replayed a season. I wouldn't mind being able to recreate the 61 season as i was only 10. Up here in Canada back then i rooted for the Tigers but loved the M & M boys in New York. So i could see me trying it out....