Will not buy it - Page 2

Lou Wuerfelball · 03-02-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Which ones are you referring to, exactly?

How about the single league disable playoff problem. Two teams tie for second and there is a forced extra game to decide the tie. Been around since v7.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-02-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lou Wuerfelball

How about the single league disable playoff problem. Two teams tie for second and there is a forced extra game to decide the tie. Been around since v7.

That'll be fixed

Cardinal Rule · 03-02-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That'll be fixed

Kudos again Markus - you are truly the most responsive game designer I've ever come in contact with.

And Lou or whoever you really are, if you're really looking for game improvement you just got some great news. If you're just a bitterman when it comes to OOTP, that'll be evident sooner rather than later and it will just make you easier to ignore. Either way, have a great day!

canadiancreed · 03-02-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

No, but it would take time away from coding. I'll go into more detail here later.

I ROFL'ed.

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Anyone else out there like me?

I beleive there's a poster in OT Debates that has also stated that he will not be purchasing future titles.

Lou Wuerfelball · 03-02-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That'll be fixed

Time for me to put my money where my mouth is--This is great news.

bosunmate · 03-02-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That'll be fixed

Okay Markus now get back into that cell of yours and keep on coding..

spitfire · 03-02-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bosunmate

Okay Markus now get back into that cell of yours and keep on coding..

But since you've made Lou a happy man, look for an extra slice of bread when they slide your food tray under the door!!!

fhomess · 03-02-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

That'll be fixed

While I applaud Markus for this, I think it's important for people to approach our bug fix requests through the appropriate channels of the tech support forum. Markus has always been incredibly responsive to complaints on these forums. However, it's also important for Markus to fix bugs with the big picture in mind. How important is this bug to fix relative to the numerous other ones that need fixing? How long will it take to fix and test the fix? We need to guide Markus in answering the first question, while only he and the development team can answer the second. Also, it's easy for requests posted scattershot around the forums to get missed and/or forgotten. Getting them logged via tech support will help prevent that from happening.

For a development team that gets a lot of credit for listening to their customers, improving the communication back on how they've heard us and are prioritizing things might reduce these types of requests. The tech support forum works great to get bug fixes into the the queue, but it's rare for us to get any feedback on what in the queue is going to get looked at. Sometimes I wonder if Markus is fixing bug X, which seems important to him but only 300 customers really care about it, while bug Y is something that 1500 customers are struggling with. Obviously, there's a bit of a balance there, too. If you're fixing 20 bugs for customer group A and 0 bugs for customer group B, then you might alienate group B entirely. Maybe fixing 10 for each group is better, even if group B is much smaller. Along those lines, I was rather impressed to see Markus solicit a response for prioritization earlier this year. It proves to me that he's trying to understand what it is we're looking for in the game.

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Originally Posted by Lou Wuerfelball

How about the single league disable playoff problem. Two teams tie for second and there is a forced extra game to decide the tie. Been around since v7.

I must say, that of all the potential issues with OOTP to ask Markus to fix, I sure was surprised that this is the one you were refusing to buy the game because of. There's other issues that have caused me to consider not buying it, but this isn't one of them. It certainly reflects the fact that OOTP is enjoyed in many different fashions.

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Originally Posted by Lou Wuerfelball

Time for me to put my money where my mouth is--This is great news.

Like I said, I'm surprised that was the one issue to get you to purchase the game. On the other hand, it may be that you've got other issues that make you feel like not buying, but Markus' response is worth supporting financially. Either way, you approached this in a reasonable way and I'd love to see some of the other posters on these forums take note.

fredreed · 03-02-2009, 09:31 PM

The one big problem that I believe still exists and I don't know If you will agree with me or not, but I do know that a number of you have wished for this as well, is that the user interface be much more easier to use than what it is right now, I personally liked the older interface a lot better because it was simple to use, the new user interface is way to complicated and complex, and again markus this is one area in the game that needs to be fixed.

Cornelius McGillicuddy · 03-02-2009, 09:51 PM

This year I'm wavering between ootp and mogul. Probably because I look for different stuff than most people here. I like to play out games in historic times. But most of the time I play part of the game and want to come back to it later. Mogul has this, ootp does not. The pbp in both games is different but I like both. I requested this several times in various places. When v10 was announced and people were asking "is this included?" I asked about a save in pbp and that question was ignored. So I guess it's not there. For me that could be a deciding factor between the games. I prefer ootp but.....

canadiancreed · 03-02-2009, 11:52 PM

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I asked about a save in pbp and that question was ignored.

...or got drowned out. Probably a 50/50. maybe we'll both find out here.

jbergey22 · 03-03-2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fredreed

The one big problem that I believe still exists and I don't know If you will agree with me or not, but I do know that a number of you have wished for this as well, is that the user interface be much more easier to use than what it is right now, I personally liked the older interface a lot better because it was simple to use, the new user interface is way to complicated and complex, and again markus this is one area in the game that needs to be fixed.

You have your opinion which is fine but some people like the interface the way it is so how do you propose he fixes it to satisfy both sides? I feel the manager screen in the latest version turns a complex interface into something very simple.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-03-2009, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rich12545

This year I'm wavering between ootp and mogul. Probably because I look for different stuff than most people here. I like to play out games in historic times. But most of the time I play part of the game and want to come back to it later. Mogul has this, ootp does not. The pbp in both games is different but I like both. I requested this several times in various places. When v10 was announced and people were asking "is this included?" I asked about a save in pbp and that question was ignored. So I guess it's not there. For me that could be a deciding factor between the games. I prefer ootp but.....

No, this will not be part in OOTP. The database is much more complex than in Mogul and works differently (for example simming multiple games simultaneously), so this is very difficult to code.

pitch62 · 03-03-2009, 07:43 AM

Maybe the game is more then complicated for him. I've purchased OOTP since the beginning and there's not another game like it!

AZTarHeel · 03-03-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by satchel

I don't understand posts like this.

If a game isn't good enough for me, I leave it behind, and it's out of my life. I don't go lurk around its forum and say "I'll never buy this game."

There are many games that I don't plan on buying, and there's not enough time in my day to start going to the forums of every one, and announcing my intentions to not purchase them.

I second this post ... it's one thing if the games are horrible and the customer service is laughable and you know they are just in it for the $$$ -- then yes, you go off and let everyone know about it ...

but OOTP is beyond amazing, even with its quirks and issues, and the folks around here go above and beyond to take care of their customers ...

spleen1015 · 03-03-2009, 10:51 AM

Lou! Don't stop now! You have Markus' ear! Tell him all of the problems you have so that he can fix them!

The Wolf · 03-03-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Lou! Don't stop now! You have Markus' ear! Tell him all of the problems you have so that he can fix them!

Since he's listening to you and not us, Lou, please go read all the complaint threads and list all the problems out for him.

jbmagic · 03-03-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spitfire

Granted the game has problems that need attention, but .....

Reworked Pitching System
Customizable In-Game Screen
Improved In-Game AI
Enhanced Play-By-Play
Inaugural Draft With Budgets
Improved Arbitration
Improved Free Agent Compensation
Improved Player Evaluation AI
Improved Injury System

...... hardly seems like ignoring the problems. I don't know how well these things will work out, and surely there is more that will need to be addressed, but it does seem as though Markus is trying to work on some of the long-standing issues.

Markus always says the same thing ever new version or patch. Its becoming unbelievable. I agree he needs to be more detail instead of just saying Improved. That is why people question if its really fix.

MB.Pelicans · 03-04-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

Markus always says the same thing ever new version or patch. Its becoming unbelievable. I agree he needs to be more detail instead of just saying Improved. That is why people question if its really fix.

Maybe Markus is better spending his time coding than babysitting the naysayers

texasmame · 03-04-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou Wuerfelball

Since there is a Bought it thread?????? Anyone else out there like me? I am tired of the add new features and ignore the problems. Can't fix it, mask it. Blind mellon, blind eye, the world is rosey and happy are the ones that receive new things. Glitter is dazzzzzzzling.

What problems are so big they need IMMEDIATE attention?

03-02-2009, 09:31 PM	#29
fredreed Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Wagontown,PA Posts: 177	Will not buy it The one big problem that I believe still exists and I don't know If you will agree with me or not, but I do know that a number of you have wished for this as well, is that the user interface be much more easier to use than what it is right now, I personally liked the older interface a lot better because it was simple to use, the new user interface is way to complicated and complex, and again markus this is one area in the game that needs to be fixed. __________________ fredreed

03-03-2009, 07:43 AM	#34
pitch62 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 260	Will not buy Maybe the game is more then complicated for him. I've purchased OOTP since the beginning and there's not another game like it!

03-02-2009, 09:51 PM	#30
Cornelius McGillicuddy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Playing the inside game Posts: 763 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	This year I'm wavering between ootp and mogul. Probably because I look for different stuff than most people here. I like to play out games in historic times. But most of the time I play part of the game and want to come back to it later. Mogul has this, ootp does not. The pbp in both games is different but I like both. I requested this several times in various places. When v10 was announced and people were asking "is this included?" I asked about a save in pbp and that question was ignored. So I guess it's not there. For me that could be a deciding factor between the games. I prefer ootp but.....

03-03-2009, 10:51 AM	#36
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,010	Lou! Don't stop now! You have Markus' ear! Tell him all of the problems you have so that he can fix them!