Help with historical dynasty league: Wanted 1980s MLB Baseball Fans

[railroad_ross]

Originally Posted by mikev

Oakland.
LF - Rickey.

Bosetti?

No Shooty Babitt?

Joking aside. These lists are not basically a team of the best players from the decade. For example, the A's might protect Mickey Tettleton and Don Sutton might be a better choice than some of the relievers. Jose Rio is another player that should most definitely be on their list.

[Recte44]

So wait, you aren't asking for the 25 best players necesariily? Like, I wouldnt have to protect Yount, Molitor, Gantner, etc?

[railroad_ross]

Originally Posted by Recte44

So wait, you aren't asking for the 25 best players necessarily? Like, I wouldn't have to protect Yount, Molitor, Gantner, etc?

Yep, nice position to be in those three are safe already. Royals had a similar situation with their stars.

[JQLorenz]

So if someone wasn't playing in the majors @ 1980, how do they come into the leauge? Through an ammy draft?

[CecilCooper]

Do they have to have been in the minor leagues or does someone who was drafted but not signed count?

[railroad_ross]

Originally Posted by JQLorenz

So if someone wasn't playing in the majors @ 1980, how do they come into the leauge? Through an ammy draft?

I see what you might be getting at, via the Gambo DB Eric Davis is probably already in the Reds minor league system. These minor league players may see a draft before play starts and they are not considered protected players.

Players will enter the league using the Gambo Database via the draft. With the exception of players that are protected or drafted. A protected or drafted players is assigned to the protecting or drafting team upon his earliest entry into the file via the Gambo DB.

Hope this helps make things clear as mud.

[Jcrmoon42]

When looking at the "best" players, are you considering only the years 1980-90? Would a player like Pete Rose in the twilight of his career be someone you would want to protect since his career totals are great even though he wasn't great during this period?

[railroad_ross]

Originally Posted by CecilCooper

Do they have to have been in the minor leagues or does someone who was drafted but not signed count?

Good question, now we are getting into some fun. I'm gonna rule out these. They must have at least been signed to the franchise.

[railroad_ross]

Originally Posted by Jcrmoon42

When looking at the "best" players, are you considering only the years 1980-90? Would a player like Pete Rose in the twilight of his career be someone you would want to protect since his career totals are great even though he wasn't great during this period?

He's going to enter into the league in 1980 at age 39. If the Phillies didn't protect him and the Expos did then he would be an Expo in 1980. So I guess it's a matter of strategy choices. I could see this going both ways.

In fact, I could see Rose going unprotected completely in which case he would go to the Phillies by default.

[railroad_ross]

Originally Posted by railroad_ross

Bagwell is a little different case, he would most definitely be a prime target to be protected if he played in the 1980s. I might have to revise my time frame to go thru 1992 (the year before expansion) so a guy like Bagwell can make the list. I'll sleep on how to make this happen in the rules as I am intrigued by the idea of Bagwell in a Boston uniform but I don't just want to hand him over outright.

OK can anybody help me? I want to create the Jeff Bagwell rule/exception. At the risk of drawing the wrath of Astros fans I'd like to see Bagwell in Boston. Can anybody think of a way to do this in the context of the framework I've talked about? I'd like to still impose the limits of a Major League Debut between 1980-1990 to make a protection list.

As of now Bagwell will probably just end up in the amateur draft.

[Jcrmoon42]

The only way I see to keep Bags in Boston is to make it major or minor league debuts during the time period. I initially thought that was what you meant anyway.

I'm a little confused by something. When does a player make his debut in this league? Do all of these protected players come into the league in 1980? Jeff Bagwell was 12 years old in 1980. Do they come in during the year they started in the minor leagues?

[Jcrmoon42]

Originally Posted by Jcrmoon42

The only way I see to keep Bags in Boston is to make it major or minor league debuts during the time period. I initially thought that was what you meant anyway.

I'm a little confused by something. When does a player make his debut in this league? Do all of these protected players come into the league in 1980? Jeff Bagwell was 12 years old in 1980. Do they come in during the year they started in the minor leagues?

I guess I thought that was the point of using the Gambo Database so that you could bring players in in their pro debut rather than their MLB debut.

[Jcrmoon42]

Atlanta Braves

1. David Justice
2. Bob Horner
3. Dale Murphy
4. Ron Gant
5. Bruce Sutter
6. Mark Eichhorn
7. Terry Leach
8. Garry Matthews
9. Geronimo Berroa
10. Terry Forster
11. John Smoltz
12. Duane Ward
13. Jeff Burroughs
14. Darrell Evans
15. Lonnie Smith
16. Ken Griffey, Sr.
17. Ted Simmons
18. Gene Garber
19. Steve Bedrosian
20. Pascual Perez
21. Tom Glavine
22. Charlie Leibrandt
23. Zane Smith
24. Jeff Blauser
25. Brett Butler

Others considered:
John Montefusco
Rick Camp
Paul Assenmacher
Doyle Alexander
Bob Watson
Gary Roenicke
Johnny Grubb
Nick Esasky
Claudell Washington
Ozzie Virgil

[railroad_ross]

Originally Posted by Jcrmoon42

I guess I thought that was the point of using the Gambo Database so that you could bring players in in their pro debut rather than their MLB debut.

The reason I chose MLB debut is because it would make reasarch easier for the lists.

The players enter the league thru the Gambo DB.

This description is spot on:

Barry Larkin, drafted in 84, debut in 86 only played for Reds.
If he's not protected, then he'll just enter through the ammy draft in 84 and whoever wants to pick him can pick him.

But if he is protected, then the Reds get him in 84?

But in a case like Jose Rijo, who was in the NYY and Oak. All three teams can put him on their list, then he'd go in the draft and whoever wins him (any of the teams not just the 3 on his list) would get him when he enters the league in 87 or whatever year.

[railroad_ross]

Originally Posted by Jcrmoon42

I guess I thought that was the point of using the Gambo Database so that you could bring players in in their pro debut rather than their MLB debut.

It is.

But including these players on the protect list makes research for the lists very difficult.

[PhillieFever]

The beginning of the Phillies 25

Dutch Daulton
Lance Parrish
Pete Rose
John Kruk
Juan Samuel
Ryne Sandberg
Julio Franco
Gary Matthews
Dale Murphy
Lenny Dykstra
Al Oliver
Lonnie Smith
Von Hayes
Glenn Wilson
Bake Mcbride
Greg Gross
John Denny
Dave Stewart
Terry Mulholland
Steve Bedrosian
Al Holland
Kevin Gross
Curt Schilling
Dick Ruthven
Willie Hernandez

[Recte44]

Originally Posted by Recte44

So wait, you aren't asking for the 25 best players necesariily? Like, I wouldnt have to protect Yount, Molitor, Gantner, etc?

Then I'm going to re-do the list.

[railroad_ross]

I'm gonna do another hard luck 1980s team, the Seattle Mariners. Like the Rangers the later prospects save them.

Seattle Mariners

1. Floyd Banister
2. Omar Vizquel
3. Gary Mathews
4. Dave Burba
5. Rick Honeycutt
6. Jeff Leonard
7. Ken Griffey Jr.
8. Richie Zisk
9. Jeff Burroughs
10. Dave Henderson
11. Bud Black
12. Alvin Davis
13. Mike Moore
14. Eric Hanson
15. Randy Johnson
16. Edgar Martinez
17. Harold Reynolds
18. Tino Martinez
19. Milt Wilcox
20. Phil Bradley
21. Jay Buhner
22. Ivan Calderon
23. Mark Langston
24. Mike Moore
25. Gorman Thomas

On the bubble:
Juan Beniquez
Gene Nelson
Glenn Abbott
Tom Paciorek
Larry Anderson
Ron Roenicke
Darnell Coles
Todd Cruz
Bill Swift
Shane Rawley
Jim Presley

[railroad_ross]

I didn't know if you wanted this posted in the thread or not. I figured not, since it might influence who other people pick.

One thing worth noting... baseball-reference has all the past draft picks of players. So I looked at all of them, and then you can click on them to see if they were signed or not. Also I just tried to remember anyone that was traded and clicked on them to see who they were traded with and for since a lot of times minor leaguers are involved. The MN minor league system in the 80s wasn't that good until 89/90 when Knoblauch, Guardado, Cordova, etc were drafted but none of them made the cut because they didn't debut until 91 or later.

That said, here is my list. (* only team played for in 80s)
*Kent Hrbek
*Gary Gaetti
*Kirby Puckett
Kevin Tapani
Rick Aguilera
Steve Carlton
Tom Brunansky
Bert Blyleven
Frank Viola
Joe Niekro
Jeff Reardon
John Candelaria
Mark Portugal
Dan Schatzeder
*Scott Erickson
Roy Smalley
*Mark Guthrie
Gary Ward
Dan Gladden
Greg Gagne
Tim Teufel
Mike Smithson
Ron Davis
Paul Sorrento
Juan Berenguer


Just missing the cut...
Ken Landreaux
Rob Wilfong
Butch Wynegar
Tom Herr
Neal Heaton
Charlie Lea
Shane Rawley
Jim Eisenreich
Geoff Zahn

This was a lot of fun, thanks. By my handle you could guess I loved the 80s Brewers as well. If you need someone for them also, let me know. The one in your thread is a team and NEEDS Greg Vaughn on that list he would be Milw. by default.

Thanks to CecilCooper for this list, very nice.

[Jcrmoon42]

Originally Posted by railroad_ross

It is.

But including these players on the protect list makes research for the lists very difficult.

It isn't that hard. I used The Baseball Cube. They give year by year organizational rosters for every team. You can see all the players in the majors and minors for every team every season.

I guess it just seems silly that a guy like Vinny Castilla is going to get drafted in the next 10 years, but the Braves didn't get a chance to protect him. Of course, it is your league. You can do what you want!