OOTP 9 Real Rosters Discussion - Page 2

Ruthian23 · 06-19-2008, 05:06 PM

One thing I noticed: Jesus Montero, the Yanks catching prospect, is extremely highly thought of, but he's a * prospect in the game, at least according to my scout. Phil Hughes is a 1/2 star prospect. While he's struggled a bit thusfar, I think it's a little early to write off a 21 year old guy who everyone thinks has great potential. On the other hand, Eric Duncan is a ** player who is ready to make an impact right away, but in real life he's basically been a bust so far. His career OPS in the MINORS is .758 and based on his ratings in OOTP he'd usually be OPSing in the .820s in the majors.

Erich Ingram · 06-19-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruthian23

One thing I noticed: Jesus Montero, the Yanks catching prospect, is extremely highly thought of, but he's a * prospect in the game, at least according to my scout. Phil Hughes is a 1/2 star prospect. While he's struggled a bit thusfar, I think it's a little early to write off a 21 year old guy who everyone thinks has great potential. On the other hand, Eric Duncan is a ** player who is ready to make an impact right away, but in real life he's basically been a bust so far. His career OPS in the MINORS is .758 and based on his ratings in OOTP he'd usually be OPSing in the .820s in the majors.

Are you using scouts on?

Raidergoo · 06-19-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruthian23

I'm not sure about the legal issues, but do they need to be so far off?

I think that Cot's Contracts were being used at some point. My guess is that the contacts were correct at some point, then the Make all contracts fictional button was clicked to change things around.

Alan T · 06-19-2008, 06:45 PM

I mentioned in this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2507700

This bug already, but I've seen it myself and seen a few others that report Liriano is starting multiple games in a row for the Twins using the MLB 2008 quick start.

In my case, Liriano has started every season for the Twins, but collects no stats and records no pitches thrown (so is fresh to pitch the next game each time). Follow my link above for more information.

Alan T · 06-19-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I mentioned in this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2507700

This bug already, but I've seen it myself and seen a few others that report Liriano is starting multiple games in a row for the Twins using the MLB 2008 quick start.

In my case, Liriano has started every season for the Twins, but collects no stats and records no pitches thrown (so is fresh to pitch the next game each time). Follow my link above for more information.

Actually this looks like this is already a known issue to do with people being retired but not retired. (sounds like Gaylord Perry)

KySteveH · 06-19-2008, 11:53 PM

Maybe it would be helpful if the mystery group or person repsonsible for the rosters would let us know what is supposed to be done, and what they know is broken/wrong/intentionally garbled to satisfy some legal concern.

For example:

Every player is represented that was on a full-season OD roster at the major or minor league level. (that one is false, but it's pretty close).
Contracts are fictional
Ratings are not done for some players (which ones are just random, I can't make heads or tails?)
Personnel are fictional
The 40-man rosters are not correct
Uniform numbers are not done
Nationalities are random
Hometowns are mostly ok, but players from a city that exists in multiple states usually have the wrong one.

So then we know the baseline, and we can report anomalies.

I hope this message doesn't sound like I'm saying the rosters are useless. Just getting the names of all the players in the right organizations is a good start. But that's really not even a fraction of the work it takes to create a roster set. The more I look at this set, the more I wonder what else has really been completed past that point.

KySteveH · 06-19-2008, 11:54 PM

Oh, forgot one I found by accident:

San Diego's Arizona league team is missing.

Bishop · 06-20-2008, 01:13 AM

Try to check the BNN page for Koby Clemens (Tri-City Valleycats, New York Penn League) in the MLB Quickstart.

"HTML_PARSER::start_tag - unknown tag_type found: Roger"

Click ok, then

"HTML_PARSER::start_tag - unknown tag_type found: td width"

Click ok, then

""HTML_PARSER::end_tag - no open tag found for the tage which is to be closed td"

Click ok, page opens up, fine, except in the history where it says "Son of ."

The link to Roger is throwing off the HTML.

KySteveH · 06-20-2008, 01:16 AM

So, regarding the issue with teams missing players at AAA (or other levels). That problem seems to go away, as it should, if you uncheck the box "allow ghost players in minors." For me, that pretty much makes it a non-issue.

Does that work for anyone else?

theasfl · 06-20-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by KySteveH

Oh, forgot one I found by accident:

San Diego's Arizona league team is missing.

You should be able to manually add the team once the league is setup and then import the attached Arizona League schedule. LGO was the maker.

The game isn't designed to handle leagues with an odd number of teams by default.

Ruthian23 · 06-20-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Erich Ingram

Are you using scouts on?

I am, but I am also in commish mode so I checked their "real" numbers in the editors before I mentioned that.

Erich Ingram · 06-21-2008, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruthian23

I am, but I am also in commish mode so I checked their "real" numbers in the editors before I mentioned that.

ok the reason I asked was I know that Hughes was rated much better than 1/2 stars.

rasnell · 06-21-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bp_

Almost all the contracts are wrong...what is the plan? Is there an excel file with all the data that could be edited by various people and then cobbled together and reimported or manually entered into the game to fix this?

Airmen has updated the contracts to real and has posted on allsimbaseball and somewhere else.

A patch is coming and lots of work is in progress. Remember that there are 4,300 players in the minors. Erich, as a volunteer, did massive amounts of work to have Opening Day rosters ship with the game.

clamel · 06-22-2008, 01:05 PM

Am I blind or is Greg Smith not on any roster.

His been pitcher fairly nice for the A´s this year in 10 games.

Tell me I´m wrong. The only Greg Smith I can find is a 40 year old second baseman.

clamel · 06-22-2008, 08:25 PM

I was blind, BUT searching for Greg Smith just turned up this 2Baseplayer.
Looking in A´s roster and you find the pitcher.

This roster has some weird stuff.

Hopefully it gets set OK with the players that are listed as retired AND being on rosters will be fixed too. Soooooon

deadringer · 06-23-2008, 12:53 AM

I know Laroche from Los Angeles hasn't exactly lit up the big leagues yet but he's had quite a bit of health issues, maybe we could look at his ratings a second. He was considered a high level prospect as early as spring training and many believe he still has some upside.

clamel · 06-24-2008, 02:45 PM

Still fuzzed that lineups in Cubs works out sooo strange

Soriano is best rated as a LF by far but is in as CF
Reed Johnson is best rated as LF, RF but do play CF in todays lineups (real-life)

Fukudome is best rated as RF but the game puts him in LF
The RF is Daryle Ward that has a ridicule low RF rating, but then he is best as 1B.

Mark DeRosa lowest rating is SS, much better at 2B and 3B. The AI puts him in SS

I can buy different lineups set that´s a changeable thing but AI managers should have some sort of eagerness to play their players at the best positions if not the case is injury or other stuff.
This with the Cubs have no reasoning IMHO

deadringer · 06-27-2008, 03:47 PM

Any chance we can get a little insight into how the rosters were created, what method was used to determine the ratings?

06-19-2008, 05:06 PM	#21
Ruthian23 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 740	One thing I noticed: Jesus Montero, the Yanks catching prospect, is extremely highly thought of, but he's a * prospect in the game, at least according to my scout. Phil Hughes is a 1/2 star prospect. While he's struggled a bit thusfar, I think it's a little early to write off a 21 year old guy who everyone thinks has great potential. On the other hand, Eric Duncan is a ** player who is ready to make an impact right away, but in real life he's basically been a bust so far. His career OPS in the MINORS is .758 and based on his ratings in OOTP he'd usually be OPSing in the .820s in the majors. Last edited by Ruthian23; 06-19-2008 at 05:08 PM.

06-19-2008, 11:53 PM	#26
KySteveH Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 266	Maybe it would be helpful if the mystery group or person repsonsible for the rosters would let us know what is supposed to be done, and what they know is broken/wrong/intentionally garbled to satisfy some legal concern. For example: Every player is represented that was on a full-season OD roster at the major or minor league level. (that one is false, but it's pretty close). Contracts are fictional Ratings are not done for some players (which ones are just random, I can't make heads or tails?) Personnel are fictional The 40-man rosters are not correct Uniform numbers are not done Nationalities are random Hometowns are mostly ok, but players from a city that exists in multiple states usually have the wrong one. So then we know the baseline, and we can report anomalies. I hope this message doesn't sound like I'm saying the rosters are useless. Just getting the names of all the players in the right organizations is a good start. But that's really not even a fraction of the work it takes to create a roster set. The more I look at this set, the more I wonder what else has really been completed past that point.

06-19-2008, 06:45 PM	#24
Alan T All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass. Posts: 1,963	I mentioned in this thread: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ml#post2507700 This bug already, but I've seen it myself and seen a few others that report Liriano is starting multiple games in a row for the Twins using the MLB 2008 quick start. In my case, Liriano has started every season for the Twins, but collects no stats and records no pitches thrown (so is fresh to pitch the next game each time). Follow my link above for more information.

06-19-2008, 11:54 PM	#27
KySteveH Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 266	Oh, forgot one I found by accident: San Diego's Arizona league team is missing.

06-20-2008, 01:13 AM	#28
Bishop All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tejas Posts: 709	Try to check the BNN page for Koby Clemens (Tri-City Valleycats, New York Penn League) in the MLB Quickstart. "HTML_PARSER::start_tag - unknown tag_type found: Roger" Click ok, then "HTML_PARSER::start_tag - unknown tag_type found: td width" Click ok, then ""HTML_PARSER::end_tag - no open tag found for the tage which is to be closed td" Click ok, page opens up, fine, except in the history where it says "Son of ." The link to Roger is throwing off the HTML.

06-20-2008, 01:16 AM	#29
KySteveH Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 266	So, regarding the issue with teams missing players at AAA (or other levels). That problem seems to go away, as it should, if you uncheck the box "allow ghost players in minors." For me, that pretty much makes it a non-issue. Does that work for anyone else?

06-22-2008, 01:05 PM	#34
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,037	Am I blind or is Greg Smith not on any roster. His been pitcher fairly nice for the A´s this year in 10 games. Tell me I´m wrong. The only Greg Smith I can find is a 40 year old second baseman.

06-22-2008, 08:25 PM	#35
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,037	I was blind, BUT searching for Greg Smith just turned up this 2Baseplayer. Looking in A´s roster and you find the pitcher. This roster has some weird stuff. Hopefully it gets set OK with the players that are listed as retired AND being on rosters will be fixed too. Soooooon

06-23-2008, 12:53 AM	#36
deadringer All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: La Grande, Oregon Posts: 994	I know Laroche from Los Angeles hasn't exactly lit up the big leagues yet but he's had quite a bit of health issues, maybe we could look at his ratings a second. He was considered a high level prospect as early as spring training and many believe he still has some upside.

06-24-2008, 02:45 PM	#37
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,037	Still fuzzed that lineups in Cubs works out sooo strange Soriano is best rated as a LF by far but is in as CF Reed Johnson is best rated as LF, RF but do play CF in todays lineups (real-life) Fukudome is best rated as RF but the game puts him in LF The RF is Daryle Ward that has a ridicule low RF rating, but then he is best as 1B. Mark DeRosa lowest rating is SS, much better at 2B and 3B. The AI puts him in SS I can buy different lineups set that´s a changeable thing but AI managers should have some sort of eagerness to play their players at the best positions if not the case is injury or other stuff. This with the Cubs have no reasoning IMHO

06-27-2008, 03:47 PM	#38
deadringer All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: La Grande, Oregon Posts: 994	Any chance we can get a little insight into how the rosters were created, what method was used to determine the ratings?