F***ing fans in KC-Chi Sox game - Page 2

edm · 09-20-2002, 05:15 AM

What Idiots...

Hopefully these two are made example's of and are prosecuted and put in jail, and do not just receive slaps on the wrist. Because It would be a real shame if any other incidents like this occur which could lead baseball to become so policed (i.e. fences separating the stands from the field and security guards every other row) that it loses the intimacy that has always made it great for fans.

treedom · 09-20-2002, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by Jason Moyer

Man, I'm a pacifist but... That picture on cnn.com of the white trash father yelling at the cameraman triggers some instinctive "break his nose" reaction in me.

Jason

yeah...i had the same reaction...

this guy should be caged for a long time...

blubbla · 09-20-2002, 09:49 AM

It's a travesty that this BS had to happen. It really didn't matter how much security was out there (and from what I've heard the Sox have one of the best security forces in the league -- that's up for debate now); these guys were on a mission to get on the field and distirb the peace. I've heard they were intoxicated, which made them that much more dangerous.

I wouldn't point fingers at Chicago fans (either team) because of this incident, beacuse these two CLEARLY are not fans...

They're going to be put away for a long time, I guarantee that.

LivnLegend · 09-20-2002, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Yogi Bear

I hope baseball does something about this......before someone is TRULY hurt.

Exactly what do you propose they do?

Hire prison guards to line the field?
Stop selling beer in stadiums?
Frisk every patron for pocketknives before allowing them into the stadium?

Come on now...I think we need to realize this is a pretty rare and isolated incident before we overreact and start demanding Major League Baseball and the teams to start making broad sweeping security changes. When I go to a baseball game, I don't want to feel like I am in lockdown. Having roaming teams of security or law enforcement is going to have the opposite effect on me as I will probably feel more nervous about being in a place that needs that much security. Believe me, I know, I went to many Raiders games at the Coliseum. Of course I was in silver & black but god help the guys in Chiefs red or Charger blue and gold. The security details of 5 or 6 guys patroling the stands made you feel like you were in a prison camp, not a freakin' sporting event!

09-20-2002, 12:29 PM

LivnLegend, I totally disagree.

No, baseball doesn't need to do anything extreme, but they should make sure they have adequate security to prevent things like this from happening. If it means hiring a few more security personnel, so what? I would think, especially considering the possibility of terrorist attacks, etc., that you would want to feel safe in a stadium.

If the presence of security / law enforcement makes you feel like you're in "lockdown", then you must be proposing there be little or no security in MLB stadiums. This is all fine and wonderful until something major (yet avoidable) happens. When it happens to you, then I am 100% sure you would be the first one calling for more security.

As for this being an "isolated incident", yes, it is. But what should we do - ignore it until it gets to a certain frequency, e.g. a limit of 1 beating per year? Where do you draw the line? If it only happens once in a while, then it's fine? Why not take whatever precautions necessary to reduce the chances of this to almost nothing?

As for not selling beer in stadiums, it may sound like an extreme view, but I think this should be done. There are plenty of other places for people to drink beer - do it before / after the game, whatever, if you want - but if you can't let go of it during a 3 hour baseball game then you have a problem. I could probably guarantee you that in at least 90% of the similar incidents that have happened in past years, the person / people involved were drunk.

Maybe then we wouldn't need as many extra security personnel ...

It's something to think about ...

Rizon · 09-20-2002, 12:43 PM

They should not sell beer at games. But, if they don't nobody would come.

One of the reasons I hate going to games is cause of the obnoxious drunken idiots. Alot of people can deal with their liquor, but enough can't that it causes a problem. I hate to punish the majority for the minorities errors, but ... I would never take my kids to a baseball game (or any pro game) cause of these drunken idiots.

Violent crimes like this at a pro game is pretty sparse. It hasn't happend often enough to totally blame it on beer. But everyone knows the famous equation:

Beer + ****ing idiot = problems

Rizon · 09-20-2002, 12:46 PM

I just want to state again that I'm not blaming beer. These guys were most likely on some kinda meth.

Rizon · 09-20-2002, 12:57 PM

And one of them was 15 .... hahahah ... oh boy ...

I'm sure whatever crack house or jail mom is in, she's awefully proud. I wonder what they'll find when they search their trailor.

L-O-S-E-R

CubsFan · 09-20-2002, 12:57 PM

From the pictures I've seen, I think the cause of this incident is clear:

The guys are ugly. And they live in a trailer. And the trailer has probably been hit by a tornado some time. And these guys don't make money. And baseball players do. And that guy, he coaches those players who make a lot of money. And ever since mom and sis (one person) stopped putting out, we don't have nowhere to take out our frustrations. So let's get 'im. Yeah, c'mon Dad. OK, son. (Sweet moment of togetherness before the two storm the field together).

Here's to family.

Rizon · 09-20-2002, 12:59 PM

When I was a kid, me and my dad made soapbox cars and stuff. Maybe we shoulda beat the crap out of first base coaches instead.

I guess that means my dad didn't really love me!!!

QuestGAV · 09-20-2002, 01:10 PM

This will probably sound rather morbid, but does anyone have a link to footage of the attack? I'm more interested in seeing the Royals beat the snot out of the two guys than anything else.

fluharty · 09-20-2002, 01:10 PM

I sinceerly hope you guys are joking w/r to the whole 'they must live in a trailer' thing. I live in a trailer park, have for 10 years. My dad and stepmother also live in a trailer park. Its cheeper than a house but better than an apartment since you have a little bit of yard and have something you can sell to recoup the cost later. Its takes maybe 3-5 years to pay off a used trailer, 30+ years to buy a house new or used.

09-20-2002, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by CubsFan
From the pictures I've seen, I think the cause of this incident is clear:

The guys are ugly. And they live in a trailer. And the trailer has probably been hit by a tornado some time. And these guys don't make money. And baseball players do. And that guy, he coaches those players who make a lot of money. And ever since mom and sis (one person) stopped putting out, we don't have nowhere to take out our frustrations. So let's get 'im. Yeah, c'mon Dad. OK, son. (Sweet moment of togetherness before the two storm the field together).

Here's to family.

Congrats - I know I wouldn't have been able to talk about those morons anymore without using certain four letter words.

Let's hope these scum will be behind bars for a real long time.

LivnLegend · 09-20-2002, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by ExposFan08
LivnLegend, I totally disagree.

No, baseball doesn't need to do anything extreme, but they should make sure they have adequate security to prevent things like this from happening. If it means hiring a few more security personnel, so what? I would think, especially considering the possibility of terrorist attacks, etc., that you would want to feel safe in a stadium.

I never said there should not be security. I guess the question is what is "adequate" security by your definition? Adding a "few more" to the security staff probably would not have stopped those two losers or deterred them from entering he field. I see/hear several people saying, "baseball MUST DO something!" I just want to know what they propose to do. The only way you would come close to preventing this from ever happening would be to enact some of my ludicrous proposals I previously listed.

There is a difference between having "adequate" security and having so many you feel like you are in the yard at Rikers. The Dodgers have a large force of inconspicuous security personnel. I am aware they are there but not so much that they are in my face or I am reminded of them every inning. That's enough for me. Like I previously pointed out, the roaming bands of yellow-jacketed security personnel at the Coliseum for Raiders games was too much for me. Unfortunately it was needed due to the dozen or so fights that would break out between innocent Raiders fans and those bating, drunk, misguided Bronco and Chargers fans

And baseball teams are not going to stop selling beer. Not in my lifetime.

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Originally posted by ExposFan08
As for this being an "isolated incident", yes, it is. But what should we do - ignore it until it gets to a certain frequency, e.g. a limit of 1 beating per year? Where do you draw the line? If it only happens once in a while, then it's fine? Why not take whatever precautions necessary to reduce the chances of this to almost nothing?

Again, a little extreme here. It's probably not going to escalate to "one beating per year" or become as common as the wave at baseball games. There will always be loopy drunk fans that feel the need to run onto the field but how many times in history has a fan run out onto the field intending to cause harm to a participant? Extremely rare as far as I can recollect. Hell, Morganna just wanted to kiss them. I can count more times of players going into the stands after fans than I can fans going on to the field to attack players.

Baseball could go the route the NHL did. As you probably remember, a teenage girl was killed by a hockey puck off a player's stick. It was the first spectator death in the NHL's 85 year history but the league chose to put safety nets in every arena to prevent pucks from hitting the fans behind and around the goals. It is too extreme in my opinion but they obviously chose to adopt the "one time is too many" approach.

CubsFan · 09-20-2002, 01:25 PM

Fluharty--No offense intended. I live in the South. I know people who live in trailers. Your economic analysis is valid (maybe not the 30+ years thing on a house, but still). I am guilty of overly-stereotyping in an attempt at humor. I apologize for any offense.

One question though--what's up with the tornadoes always coming after those places?

Malleus Dei · 09-20-2002, 01:44 PM

"The Chicago Tribune reported in its on-line edition Friday that the son told a television camera crew as he was led away in handcuffs: 'He (Gamboa) flipped us off. He got what he deserved.'"

Malleus Dei · 09-20-2002, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by CubsFan
One question though--what's up with the tornadoes always coming after those places?

from http://www.frankwu.com/tornado.html

"Tornadoes and hurricanes are indeed most frequent in states with many mobile homes. For instance, eight states are in the top eleven for both prefab homes and tornadoes. Furthermore, Florida leads the nation in violent storms and is third in manufactured home purchases. Indiana ranks second in tornadoes and first in mobile homes."

SoxWin · 09-20-2002, 02:10 PM

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"The Chicago Tribune reported in its on-line edition Friday that the son told a television camera crew as he was led away in handcuffs: 'He (Gamboa) flipped us off. He got what he deserved.'"

I was listening to Jim Rome this morning and he reported the same thing. Apparently someone from the KC front office called in and said that was completely false.

Who really knows what happened but the attack was undeserved even if he did "flip them off".

What the heck were the first baseman and first base ump doing watching it happen anyway? Someone should fit them both for skirts.

Cheers

Rich

scprideandms · 09-20-2002, 02:12 PM

What do a tornado in Texas and a divorce in Georgia have in common?

Someones gonna lose a trailer

Scott Vibert · 09-20-2002, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by QuestGAV
This will probably sound rather morbid, but does anyone have a link to footage of the attack? I'm more interested in seeing the Royals beat the snot out of the two guys than anything else.

http://fry.digisle.tv/perl/ESPN/play....WMP_100k.asf&

That link is on ESPN.com's front page, not sure what it shows.

09-20-2002, 05:15 AM	#21
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	What Idiots... Hopefully these two are made example's of and are prosecuted and put in jail, and do not just receive slaps on the wrist. Because It would be a real shame if any other incidents like this occur which could lead baseball to become so policed (i.e. fences separating the stands from the field and security guards every other row) that it loses the intimacy that has always made it great for fans. Last edited by edm; 09-20-2002 at 05:23 AM.

09-20-2002, 12:43 PM	#26
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,370	They should not sell beer at games. But, if they don't nobody would come. One of the reasons I hate going to games is cause of the obnoxious drunken idiots. Alot of people can deal with their liquor, but enough can't that it causes a problem. I hate to punish the majority for the minorities errors, but ... I would never take my kids to a baseball game (or any pro game) cause of these drunken idiots. Violent crimes like this at a pro game is pretty sparse. It hasn't happend often enough to totally blame it on beer. But everyone knows the famous equation: Beer + **ing idiot = problems __________________ JML MILKSHAKES**

09-20-2002, 12:46 PM	#27
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,370	I just want to state again that I'm not blaming beer. These guys were most likely on some kinda meth. __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

09-20-2002, 12:57 PM	#28
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,370	And one of them was 15 .... hahahah ... oh boy ... I'm sure whatever crack house or jail mom is in, she's awefully proud. I wonder what they'll find when they search their trailor. L-O-S-E-R __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

09-20-2002, 12:59 PM	#30
Rizon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SF Area, California Total Posts: 531,691 Posts: 2,370	When I was a kid, me and my dad made soapbox cars and stuff. Maybe we shoulda beat the crap out of first base coaches instead. I guess that means my dad didn't really love me!!! __________________ JML MILKSHAKES

09-20-2002, 09:49 AM	#23
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,460	It's a travesty that this BS had to happen. It really didn't matter how much security was out there (and from what I've heard the Sox have one of the best security forces in the league -- that's up for debate now); these guys were on a mission to get on the field and distirb the peace. I've heard they were intoxicated, which made them that much more dangerous. I wouldn't point fingers at Chicago fans (either team) because of this incident, beacuse these two CLEARLY are not fans... They're going to be put away for a long time, I guarantee that.

09-20-2002, 12:29 PM	#25
ExposFan08 Guest Posts: n/a	LivnLegend, I totally disagree. No, baseball doesn't need to do anything extreme, but they should make sure they have adequate security to prevent things like this from happening. If it means hiring a few more security personnel, so what? I would think, especially considering the possibility of terrorist attacks, etc., that you would want to feel safe in a stadium. If the presence of security / law enforcement makes you feel like you're in "lockdown", then you must be proposing there be little or no security in MLB stadiums. This is all fine and wonderful until something major (yet avoidable) happens. When it happens to you, then I am 100% sure you would be the first one calling for more security. As for this being an "isolated incident", yes, it is. But what should we do - ignore it until it gets to a certain frequency, e.g. a limit of 1 beating per year? Where do you draw the line? If it only happens once in a while, then it's fine? Why not take whatever precautions necessary to reduce the chances of this to almost nothing? As for not selling beer in stadiums, it may sound like an extreme view, but I think this should be done. There are plenty of other places for people to drink beer - do it before / after the game, whatever, if you want - but if you can't let go of it during a 3 hour baseball game then you have a problem. I could probably guarantee you that in at least 90% of the similar incidents that have happened in past years, the person / people involved were drunk. Maybe then we wouldn't need as many extra security personnel ... It's something to think about ...

09-20-2002, 12:57 PM	#29
CubsFan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 150	From the pictures I've seen, I think the cause of this incident is clear: The guys are ugly. And they live in a trailer. And the trailer has probably been hit by a tornado some time. And these guys don't make money. And baseball players do. And that guy, he coaches those players who make a lot of money. And ever since mom and sis (one person) stopped putting out, we don't have nowhere to take out our frustrations. So let's get 'im. Yeah, c'mon Dad. OK, son. (Sweet moment of togetherness before the two storm the field together). Here's to family.

09-20-2002, 01:10 PM	#31
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	This will probably sound rather morbid, but does anyone have a link to footage of the attack? I'm more interested in seeing the Royals beat the snot out of the two guys than anything else.

09-20-2002, 01:10 PM	#32
fluharty All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 1,023	I sinceerly hope you guys are joking w/r to the whole 'they must live in a trailer' thing. I live in a trailer park, have for 10 years. My dad and stepmother also live in a trailer park. Its cheeper than a house but better than an apartment since you have a little bit of yard and have something you can sell to recoup the cost later. Its takes maybe 3-5 years to pay off a used trailer, 30+ years to buy a house new or used.

09-20-2002, 01:25 PM	#35
CubsFan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 150	Fluharty--No offense intended. I live in the South. I know people who live in trailers. Your economic analysis is valid (maybe not the 30+ years thing on a house, but still). I am guilty of overly-stereotyping in an attempt at humor. I apologize for any offense. One question though--what's up with the tornadoes always coming after those places?

09-20-2002, 02:12 PM	#39
scprideandms All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N KY, 25 miles from Cincy Posts: 1,314	What do a tornado in Texas and a divorce in Georgia have in common? Someones gonna lose a trailer __________________ Change your playground + change your playfriends + change your playtoys + change your playtime = Change your life. If you keep on doing what you've always done you'll keep on gitting what you've always gotten.