Pete Rose Admits to Betting on Baseball - Page 2

Jonzard · 03-14-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Pete Rose's accomplishments and his records are recognized by baseball. That is enough. I hope he never sees the Hall of Fame.

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03-14-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

I look at this way, if the Hall of fame was about class people would Ty Cobb have any chance of being in there? Simple fact Rose had a hall of fame career. and as far as the betting goes, unless someone can prove he bet against the Reds, I dont even see the big deal

Probably has to do with this being a fundamental no-no posted in every locker room in the majors. No gambling.

I wouldn't be said if he gets in, but I thoroughly see the logic in keeping him out.

The Professor · 03-14-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

I look at this way, if the Hall of fame was about class people would Ty Cobb have any chance of being in there? Simple fact Rose had a hall of fame career. and as far as the betting goes, unless someone can prove he bet against the Reds, I dont even see the big deal

I look at it this way. Pete Rose being excluded from the Hall of Fame has nothing to do with class. I'm not interested in making induction about being a nice, good, person. Simple fact: Pete Rose bet on baseball, and he bet on baseball while in a position to have an impact on the game. It doesn't really matter if he bet on the Reds or against the Reds or not on the Reds at all...

...the present "PED" issues aside (and as Jason Moyer pointed out, Rose was no stranger to those), Pete Rose committed the single greatest, inexcusable, sin a baseball player (or manager) can commit. A sin that threatens the sanctity of a fair, legitimate, game.

You don't see the big deal? I'm not all that surprised.

APujols5 · 03-14-2007, 09:21 PM

His stats stand for themselves. He earned his inclusion among the greats of the game. This isn't some Ron Santo we're talking about, this is Pete Freakin' Rose. It's a shame that the all time hits leader is blackballed by Bud Selig. Too bad Selig is so determined to ruin the game of Baseball.

APujols5 · 03-14-2007, 09:22 PM

Dola..

Every report I have ever seen talks about Rose betting when he managed, never have I seen them talk about his playing days. So ok, ban him from the game. But he earned his HOF status

magnet · 03-14-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

His stats stand for themselves. He earned his inclusion among the greats of the game. This isn't some Ron Santo we're talking about, this is Pete Freakin' Rose. It's a shame that the all time hits leader is blackballed by Bud Selig. Too bad Selig is so determined to ruin the game of Baseball.

By Bud Selig? What?

He was banned from baseball when Selig was still selling cars in Milwaukee.

ihatenames · 03-14-2007, 09:26 PM

I agree that Rose should be in the hall of fame for his numbers and still banned from managing. However, I see how that could be a bit of a contradiction. Pete Rose should never be allowed back in baseball and I really doubt we'll see Pete rose in the Hall of Fame until after he is dead. He has lied in the past and is probably still lying now. As far as Bud Selig ruining baseball, baseball seems to be doing pretty well to me. In fact, I think Selig is leaving baseball better than when he recieved it.

APujols5 · 03-14-2007, 09:26 PM

Selig has repeatedly kept him out of the HOF though since becoming Commish.

Jonzard · 03-14-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

Selig has repeatedly kept him out of the HOF though since becoming Commish.

No, he's just not repealed Giamatti's decision to ban him from baseball. For that, I applaud Bud. And I am a Twins fan who despises him for trying to take away my baseball team. The "Selig Smashers" has been my fantasy team name for years now.

Jonzard · 03-14-2007, 09:32 PM

Dola,

Can we just bump the old Rose threads before this turns into an eight page PUT HIM IN v KEEP HIM OUT debate?

APujols5 · 03-14-2007, 09:32 PM

If Pete Rose isn't in the HOF you might as well let Ron Santo in because the entire thing is crapped on.

03-14-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

If Pete Rose isn't in the HOF you might as well let Ron Santo in because the entire thing is crapped on.

Cubs-hating Cards fan?

APujols5 · 03-14-2007, 09:43 PM

No just someone who looks at Ron Santo's stats and see a really good player but not a HOF player

The Professor · 03-14-2007, 09:47 PM

Ron Santo is a Hall of Fame third baseman.

magnet · 03-14-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Ron Santo is a Hall of Fame third baseman.

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When I make my trip to Cooperstown, I'm bringing a couple of plaques in with me.

Jonzard · 03-14-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by magnet

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When I make my trip to Cooperstown, I'm bringing a couple of plaques in with me.

APujols5 · 03-14-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Ron Santo is a Hall of Pretty Good third baseman.

I fixed that for you.

The Professor · 03-14-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

I fixed that for you.

That is so clever! How did you do that!?

Dagrims · 03-14-2007, 10:13 PM

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the banned Rose said he thinks he should be reinstated because "I believe I'm the best ambassador baseball has."

This is the kind of nonsense he has been spouting for more than a decade that makes me hopeful he'll never be inducted into the Hall of Fame. If I took some time to think about it, I'm sure I could come up with at least two dozen better ambassadors for the sport. His overarching refusal to see the bad in what he's done, and extreme arrogance, put me squarely in the anti-Rose camp (which really ticks off my wife around Valentine's Day).

magnet · 03-14-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

Precisely.

03-14-2007, 09:26 PM	#27
ihatenames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rockford Posts: 2,534	I agree that Rose should be in the hall of fame for his numbers and still banned from managing. However, I see how that could be a bit of a contradiction. Pete Rose should never be allowed back in baseball and I really doubt we'll see Pete rose in the Hall of Fame until after he is dead. He has lied in the past and is probably still lying now. As far as Bud Selig ruining baseball, baseball seems to be doing pretty well to me. In fact, I think Selig is leaving baseball better than when he recieved it. __________________ New Album coming soon!

03-14-2007, 09:32 PM	#30
Jonzard Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,647	Dola, Can we just bump the old Rose threads before this turns into an eight page PUT HIM IN v KEEP HIM OUT debate? __________________ For a scientist must indeed be freely imaginative and yet skeptical, creative and yet a critic. There is a sense in which he must be free, but another in which his thought must be very precisely regimented; there is poetry in science, but also a lot of bookkeeping. — Sir Peter B. Medawar FTB

03-14-2007, 09:47 PM	#34
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	Ron Santo is a Hall of Fame third baseman. __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

03-14-2007, 09:21 PM	#24
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	His stats stand for themselves. He earned his inclusion among the greats of the game. This isn't some Ron Santo we're talking about, this is Pete Freakin' Rose. It's a shame that the all time hits leader is blackballed by Bud Selig. Too bad Selig is so determined to ruin the game of Baseball.

03-14-2007, 09:22 PM	#25
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	Dola.. Every report I have ever seen talks about Rose betting when he managed, never have I seen them talk about his playing days. So ok, ban him from the game. But he earned his HOF status

03-14-2007, 09:43 PM	#33
APujols5 Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: CP Indiana Posts: 1,667 Infractions: 1/3 (3)	No just someone who looks at Ron Santo's stats and see a really good player but not a HOF player