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CBL-Commish · 02-28-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

CobaltJays, APujols5, thanks for the replies. Interesting stuff.

I wonder when it changed. That would be useful to know in tracking how the minors have evolved over the years.

There were independent teams in otherwise affiliated leagues up until at least the early 90s. The Salt Lake Trappers in the Pioneer League and the Miami Miracle in the Florida State League were two famous examples. Salt Lake signed a bunch of more experienced players than the rest of the PL and went on a ridiculous 30-some game winning streak in the late 80s. Miami was owned by Mike Veeck, and was the proving ground for some of his later indy league promotional stunts. The Miami team also exploited a loophole in the draft rules and took part in the June amateur draft at least one year. I think Mike Lansing started his pro career after being drafted by them.

After the emergence of modern indy leagues in the early 90s this practice completely stopped.

I'm fairly sure that all minor leaguers on affiliated teams were owned by the parent club by the early 60s, possibly quite a bit earlier. The PCL in the 50s was the last independent league until the 90s.

sfeldkamp · 02-28-2007, 07:56 PM

This off-season the royals moved their A team from High Desert to Wilmington (I think). They didn't feel the high desert air was conducive to developing hitters (too easy for them to put up huge numbers with bad habits).

The AA affiliate is also moving from Wichita to Springfield AR, but that is the whole team that is moving, the Royals are not changing affiliations.

They also added a seventh team, short-season A ball I think...

APujols5 · 02-28-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

This is an excellent question. It'd be great if we can figure out when about this change happened. From OOTP's perspective, it would be cool if this were a configurable option that could be toggled during the lifetime of the universe - basically "Allow minor league players to stay with parent club when changing affiliation". If it were an option, then you could do it whichever way you preferred for your universe.

Considering there's only a few weeks left to release, I doubt something like this can make it in in time unless someone has already thought of it. Any official response on this from beta testers or other official channels?

I have not seen it brought up in the Beta forums before

Oxydizer · 02-28-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Its converstaions like this that make me want to bust out more books on the minors.

As to how the game handles this, any ideas? Could a tester please check on this, or better yet Markus?

If you want more info on this goto http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/index.jsp

Find a minor league in your area, and just ask them, I'm sure you will get an answer. I sure did when I inquired about how major and minor league travel from city to city, you know, the logistics involved.

cephasjames · 02-28-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

I have not seen it brought up in the Beta forums before

Could you bring up, please?

Le Grande Orange · 03-01-2007, 03:09 AM

Edit: Never mind, I was thinking of something else and got mixed up.

ctorg · 03-01-2007, 08:47 AM

As of 2006, the game moves players with teams. However, there's a pretty simple way around it.

After making the move, export the rosters of the minor league level where you made moves. Change the team id number of whatever players were moved to the id of the new affiliate. Re-import. It takes less than five minutes and works flawlessly.

APujols5 · 03-01-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Could you bring up, please?

I will get it in TT since it would be looked at for 08 at this point.

cephasjames · 03-01-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

I will get it in TT since it would be looked at for 08 at this point.

Thanks.

spark240 · 04-15-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fhomess

It didn't happen all at once, but was more of a gradual process. As mentioned above, Branch Rickey had his own minors as early as 1931, but guys like Bill Veeck were operating independant minor league teams and selling those players to major league clubs at least as late as the late 40's.

EDIT: Oops, apologies for duplicating earlier comments re: Trappers and Miracle... must read whole thread before commenting...

Of course there are several current independent leagues, and there are a few players each year being sold to MLB organizations from these teams.

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02-28-2007, 07:56 PM	#22
sfeldkamp Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 184	This off-season the royals moved their A team from High Desert to Wilmington (I think). They didn't feel the high desert air was conducive to developing hitters (too easy for them to put up huge numbers with bad habits). The AA affiliate is also moving from Wichita to Springfield AR, but that is the whole team that is moving, the Royals are not changing affiliations. They also added a seventh team, short-season A ball I think...