Tigers get Sheffield - Page 2

SWardle · 11-10-2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Arlie Rahn

a AAA pitcher who's one year removed from arm surgery and nowhere near any top 100 prospect list.

These guys might disagree.

http://www.topprospectalert.com/top1...lprospects.htm

KILLERBS24 · 11-10-2006, 11:02 PM

You dont know why his averages would fall off?, how bout he's 38 coming of injury and aside from the wrist from last year he has other lingering injuries that will never be 100% again. It is doubtful IMO that he will hit 30HRs or put up a .900 OPS ever again.

Everyone wants to dismiss Sanchez with the "injury" tag or the "he's only a bullpen guy". Sanchez is a starter with 3 major league pitches and is near ML ready, and if he wasn't in NY now would have a shot at breaking into a rotation in 2007. The bottom line is they gave up more than any other team would have offered.

Despite their sucess last year the Tigers aren't as close as they may think they are, they are more than Sheffield away from winning it. I dont even think they'll make it out of the division this year. Last year was the year for them and they didn't get it done.

The Professor · 11-10-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Arlie Rahn

I don't see how they gave up a bunch. Two single A pitchers who aren't really on anyone's radar at this point and a AAA pitcher who's one year removed from arm surgery and nowhere near any top 100 prospect list.

Really?

I'm not saying it was a completely disastrous move by Dombrowski, but I think you are underselling Sanchez by quite a bit.

bababui · 11-10-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SWardle

These guys might disagree.

http://www.topprospectalert.com/top1...lprospects.htm

Im not sure how reliable this list is. Where is Howie Kendrick??

APujols5 · 11-10-2006, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Arlie Rahn

I think prospects are becoming way too valuable now-days if getting a bonafied .900+ OPS slugger is not worth a couple guys that (odds are) will never see the majors and a decent pitching prospect probably best suited for relief.

more and more People are coming to that opinion. Both Theo Epstein and Bill Stoneman admitted they possibly cost the teams a chance at the playoffs this season because they overvalued top prospects and didn't trade them to get pieces that could improve their teams.

SWardle · 11-10-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Im not sure how reliable this list is. Where is Howie Kendrick??

I think since it's a 2007 list and he's already had 300 or so AB's in the big leagues that they may not consider him a prospect any longer. I think just from glacing at the list and going by what I remember from this season and so forth, every guy on this list either has A) no MLB experience or B) very limited MLB experience to the point they have their ROY eligibility in tact. Kendrick does not.

Maybe they consider Kendrick a major leaguer in 2007?

Arlie Rahn · 11-11-2006, 12:17 AM

I was going off the baseball america list and a few others. But, heck, maybe Sanchez is a lot better than I thought. In the end, though, I still like the deal for Detroit as Sheffield should be exactly what Detroit needed. It just may be more of a "win-win" than I first thought.

Skipaway · 11-11-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLERBS24

Because there wasnt a team in MLB that would have given up as much as the Tigers did for a player who already has his skiis strapped on and is getting ready to fly down the wrong side of the mountain.

You know this because you worked for Cashman? It's not reasonable to assume the competing bids weren't similar.

Skipaway · 11-11-2006, 01:18 AM

[QUOTE=KILLERBS24;1943418 they are more than Sheffield away from winning it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and Sheffield is just the very first move. Tigers isn't exactly a young team anyway.

Terpripken · 11-11-2006, 02:12 AM

Looks like Sheffield is willing to play DH for Tigers...which makes sense despite others speculating he may play 1B or OF. He also has won a championship with Leyland, and will be more likely to tow the line for him.

I still think it is a poor trade for the Tigers. Then they sign him to an extension for 2 years right off the bat!!

This could really end up blowing up in Tigers face.

CommishJoe · 11-11-2006, 02:14 AM

Truthfully, I'm just glad to see him off the team. The fact that Cashman got 3 promising young pitchers for him is gravy.

bababui · 11-11-2006, 02:38 AM

The Yankees wont be able to replace his intensity. The Yankees become even more of a Country Club baseball team; a team devoid of passion and intensity.

1998 Yankees · 11-11-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

The Yankees wont be able to replace his intensity. The Yankees become even more of a Country Club baseball team; a team devoid of passion and intensity.

Wrong! Sheffield brought divisiveness and selfishness to the table. Jeter, Cano, Posada, Giambi, Abreu, Damon and others bring the passion and intensity without the back page headlines. How can any player be motivated by a guy who actually referred to his "Mystique of Me?"

Terpripken · 11-11-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Wrong! Sheffield brought divisiveness and selfishness to the table. Jeter, Cano, Posada, Giambi, Abreu, Damon and others bring the passion and intensity without the back page headlines. How can any player be motivated by a guy who actually referred to his "Mystique of Me?"

Agreed.

Sheffield is intense...but in the wrong way.

The 1st thing he did was bag Abreu.

He is clearly all about Gary.

mlyons · 11-11-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

The Yankees wont be able to replace his intensity. The Yankees become even more of a Country Club baseball team; a team devoid of passion and intensity.

They did play the vast majority of last season without him, you know. I don't recall anyone hammering the Yankees for their lack of passion and intensity in July and August.

Terpripken · 11-11-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

They did play the vast majority of last season without him, you know. I don't recall anyone hammering the Yankees for their lack of passion and intensity in July and August.

Good point!

The Yankees don't need Sheff to play with passion

bababui · 11-11-2006, 11:18 AM

Did any of you see the playoff series against Detroit? I sure didnt see much passion from the Yankees.

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Jeter, Cano, Posada, Giambi, Abreu, Damon

Where were any of these guys in October? Did any of these players get in anyones face? Did any of them show any leadership? Sheffield obviously isnt a leader in the usual meaning of the word, but on the Yankees, and in the absence of guys like Paul O'Neil, who else is there?

mlyons · 11-11-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Did any of you see the playoff series against Detroit? I sure didnt see much passion from the Yankees.

Did you see any of that series? Sheffield was playing against Detroit.

1998 Yankees · 11-11-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Did any of you see the playoff series against Detroit? I sure didnt see much passion from the Yankees.

Rowrrr! Grrrr! (J/K, I'm not that passionate myself.

)

I'm talking day-after-day, season-long, career. There's been too much blab about how the Yankees looked unmotivated in that series. What actually happened is that the batters had a bad four game series and the pitchers were shown to be inadequate as we suspected. And the Tigers were hot, simple as that.

Please don't tell me that Sheffield inspired anyone in that series with either his bat or his leadership style. Because if you do, then I will say that yes he did, but in a negative way, hence the Yankees "lack of passion" losing the series.

BTW, Sheffield coming back and inserting himself at 1B cost the Yankees the presence of another player that could be mentioned in terms of passion and motivation: Melky Cabrera (it could have been Matsui DH, Giambi 1B, Cabrera LF) so enough about Sheffield and the Yanks in this past postseason.

darkhorse · 11-11-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by APujols5

Both Theo Epstein and Bill Stoneman admitted they possibly cost the teams a chance at the playoffs this season because they overvalued top prospects and didn't trade them to get pieces that could improve their teams.

Was Hanley Ramirez on that list?

11-10-2006, 11:02 PM	#22
KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	You dont know why his averages would fall off?, how bout he's 38 coming of injury and aside from the wrist from last year he has other lingering injuries that will never be 100% again. It is doubtful IMO that he will hit 30HRs or put up a .900 OPS ever again. Everyone wants to dismiss Sanchez with the "injury" tag or the "he's only a bullpen guy". Sanchez is a starter with 3 major league pitches and is near ML ready, and if he wasn't in NY now would have a shot at breaking into a rotation in 2007. The bottom line is they gave up more than any other team would have offered. Despite their sucess last year the Tigers aren't as close as they may think they are, they are more than Sheffield away from winning it. I dont even think they'll make it out of the division this year. Last year was the year for them and they didn't get it done. __________________ Asterisked legacy: Barry Bonds, the greatest steroid user ever Last edited by KILLERBS24; 11-10-2006 at 11:09 PM.

11-11-2006, 12:17 AM	#27
Arlie Rahn All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 564	I was going off the baseball america list and a few others. But, heck, maybe Sanchez is a lot better than I thought. In the end, though, I still like the deal for Detroit as Sheffield should be exactly what Detroit needed. It just may be more of a "win-win" than I first thought. __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

11-11-2006, 01:18 AM	#29
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	[QUOTE=KILLERBS24;1943418 they are more than Sheffield away from winning it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and Sheffield is just the very first move. Tigers isn't exactly a young team anyway. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

11-11-2006, 02:14 AM	#31
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Truthfully, I'm just glad to see him off the team. The fact that Cashman got 3 promising young pitchers for him is gravy. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

11-11-2006, 02:12 AM	#30
Terpripken All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Safety Harbor, FL Posts: 1,525	Looks like Sheffield is willing to play DH for Tigers...which makes sense despite others speculating he may play 1B or OF. He also has won a championship with Leyland, and will be more likely to tow the line for him. I still think it is a poor trade for the Tigers. Then they sign him to an extension for 2 years right off the bat!! This could really end up blowing up in Tigers face.