Aubrey Huff dealt to Houston - Page 2

Skipaway · 07-12-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse

Huff can play the outfield. Purpura, the GM said he'd play in rightfield. But i have a feeling he'll end up playing left field.

From what i've heard Huff is basically a DH. Playing in front of the Crawford Boxes in left he'll only have a little room cover.

i'm thinking Lamb will bounce between 1b and 3b for the rest of the season. He's bad at third and a little better than that at first.

And Berkman will bounce between 1b and rf.

And Wilson will play rf when Berkman's not out there.

That's probably the ideal case, instead of what the coach said about reducing Ensberg's playing time.

abailey3313 · 07-12-2006, 05:02 PM

C - Brad Ausmus
1B - Aubrey Huff*
2B - Craig Biggio
3B - Morgan Ensberg
SS - Adam Everett
LF - Lance Berkman*
CF - Chris Burke
RF - Preston Wilson

* If Huff is more or less a DH, it makes more sense for him to be at first and put Berkman in the OF. I'm not familiar with either of them enough to say, but I'd assume the better defensive player of the two would play in the OF.

I'd assume the Astros outfield depth chart (aside from Berkman and Huff) looks like Wilson > Burke > Tavares. With Lane being optioned to Triple-A, it's obvious they aren't too concerned about getting his .205 bat into the line-up.

abailey3313 · 07-14-2006, 12:01 AM

In his first game as an Astro, Huff hits a 3-run home run in the eight inning to put his team up for good.

swampdragon · 07-14-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

C - Brad Ausmus
1B - Aubrey Huff*
2B - Craig Biggio
3B - Morgan Ensberg
SS - Adam Everett
LF - Lance Berkman*
CF - Chris Burke
RF - Preston Wilson

* If Huff is more or less a DH, it makes more sense for him to be at first and put Berkman in the OF. I'm not familiar with either of them enough to say, but I'd assume the better defensive player of the two would play in the OF.

I'd assume the Astros outfield depth chart (aside from Berkman and Huff) looks like Wilson > Burke > Tavares. With Lane being optioned to Triple-A, it's obvious they aren't too concerned about getting his .205 bat into the line-up.

That looks about right. I guess they could do what the Rangers did and play Lamb at catcher. He was truly abysmal. The Astros are going to need another deal to make this work. I wonder if they could get a half decent middle reliever for Lamb.

Tavares is a good defensive centerfielder and a perfect 4th outfielder, not to mention pinch runner. Looks like Lamb is odd man out.

dougfireghost · 07-14-2006, 12:33 AM

i like this deal for the stros pick up a pontential 100 rbi 100 run guy

Aordolin · 07-14-2006, 10:57 AM

When he plays the outfield he will play right. They arent going to move Wilson to right after letting him play left all year. I like the deal. The astros need guys who can hit and Huff is a proven guy and they gave up very little. Both prospects were average level guys. One of the previous posters was right about local radio screaming about bring Zobrist up because of the way he was destroying AA ball and his age. Even with the astros history of bring guys up slowly I think this guy would have been up to AAA if he was really considered a top tier talent by the organization. Btw i think he was an older guy when he was drafted (like 23) so considering that he really hasnt been in the organization that long.

The Astros put Ensberg on the DL so for the near future Huff will be at 3B. Ensberg has been hitting .200 for the last 2 months as well so he is not guarenteed of getting his job back even when hes back. On Mike Lamb, he is a great bench guy but I am sorry I dont want him in my regular lineup. He cant play defense. He is poor at best at 1B probably his best position or where he could do the least amount of damage. He is a complete disaster at 3B. He is a streaky hitter. If he is hot then he is one of the best hitters in the league. But there is a reason why this guy has never been a regular in the league. So assuming Ensberg comes back and starts playing closer to how he played last year I see the lineup like this:

Biggio 2B
Burke CF
Huff RF
Berkman 1B
Wilson LF
Ensberg 3B
Ausmus C
Everett SS

If Ensberg doesnt come back right or while he is on the DL its likely going to be Lamb at 1B and berkman in RF with Huff at 3B. Id like to see the Astros go out and get another bat like a 1B. Im thinking someone like Sean Casey. They could get him for cheap I think but he makes alot of money and the Astros payroll is pretty huge. Ideally you would like to see them get an outfielder instead but I dont know whos really going to be available. Soriano is too expensive both salary wise and what they would need to give up. Perhaps Reggie Sanders? Probably will make a move for some middle reliever as well but I dont see where they are going to come up with someone whos going to make that much of a difference given their payroll. They need to just get some more options on offense and hope Lidge becomes the old Lidge. The old Lidge makes their bullpen look much better than anyone they get in a trade would.

Skipaway · 07-14-2006, 12:53 PM

It's just wrong to use BA to judge Ensberg's contributions, and it would be foolish to bench him for that. Even when he's hitting .200, his OBP is still way higher than everyone else but Berkman, Lamb, and Burke. If we use season stats, he's only behind Berkman.

His BB number is not only leading the team by a decent amount, it's also thrice more than every teammates but three.

Aordolin · 07-14-2006, 08:34 PM

he is hit 3 hr driven in 10 rbis and slugged around .400 since may 25th. during that time he is batting around .200. sure his OBP is in the high 300s which is great considering he isnt hitting at all. The problem is his job is to drive in runs. Considering who has been hitting behind him for most of the year, Lane .200 average, ausmus (dont know now really bad lately was good at start but has been in decline since about the same time ensberg went cold) Everett is garbage offensively. This is the problem with the astros offense, they are getting people on base but they dont get any timely hits when they have scoring chances.

I would agree with you that average alone isnt the sole judge of a players contribution. But we are talking about 2 months of no production now. and hes hitting .236 overall. You just cant keep sending him out and expect to get better. With Huff they now have options. If Ensberg gets hit stroke back they have even better options. I think Ensberg is hurt, and i dont think its because he has just lost it. The question is will he find it in time for the astros to make a run at the playoffs agian before they get buried in the standings.

07-12-2006, 05:02 PM	#22
abailey3313 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,718	C - Brad Ausmus 1B - Aubrey Huff* 2B - Craig Biggio 3B - Morgan Ensberg SS - Adam Everett LF - Lance Berkman* CF - Chris Burke RF - Preston Wilson * If Huff is more or less a DH, it makes more sense for him to be at first and put Berkman in the OF. I'm not familiar with either of them enough to say, but I'd assume the better defensive player of the two would play in the OF. I'd assume the Astros outfield depth chart (aside from Berkman and Huff) looks like Wilson > Burke > Tavares. With Lane being optioned to Triple-A, it's obvious they aren't too concerned about getting his .205 bat into the line-up. __________________

07-14-2006, 12:01 AM	#23
abailey3313 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,718	In his first game as an Astro, Huff hits a 3-run home run in the eight inning to put his team up for good. __________________

07-14-2006, 12:33 AM	#25
dougfireghost Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: houston Posts: 129	i like this deal for the stros pick up a pontential 100 rbi 100 run guy __________________ e

07-14-2006, 12:53 PM	#27
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	It's just wrong to use BA to judge Ensberg's contributions, and it would be foolish to bench him for that. Even when he's hitting .200, his OBP is still way higher than everyone else but Berkman, Lamb, and Burke. If we use season stats, he's only behind Berkman. His BB number is not only leading the team by a decent amount, it's also thrice more than every teammates but three. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

07-14-2006, 10:57 AM	#26
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	When he plays the outfield he will play right. They arent going to move Wilson to right after letting him play left all year. I like the deal. The astros need guys who can hit and Huff is a proven guy and they gave up very little. Both prospects were average level guys. One of the previous posters was right about local radio screaming about bring Zobrist up because of the way he was destroying AA ball and his age. Even with the astros history of bring guys up slowly I think this guy would have been up to AAA if he was really considered a top tier talent by the organization. Btw i think he was an older guy when he was drafted (like 23) so considering that he really hasnt been in the organization that long. The Astros put Ensberg on the DL so for the near future Huff will be at 3B. Ensberg has been hitting .200 for the last 2 months as well so he is not guarenteed of getting his job back even when hes back. On Mike Lamb, he is a great bench guy but I am sorry I dont want him in my regular lineup. He cant play defense. He is poor at best at 1B probably his best position or where he could do the least amount of damage. He is a complete disaster at 3B. He is a streaky hitter. If he is hot then he is one of the best hitters in the league. But there is a reason why this guy has never been a regular in the league. So assuming Ensberg comes back and starts playing closer to how he played last year I see the lineup like this: Biggio 2B Burke CF Huff RF Berkman 1B Wilson LF Ensberg 3B Ausmus C Everett SS If Ensberg doesnt come back right or while he is on the DL its likely going to be Lamb at 1B and berkman in RF with Huff at 3B. Id like to see the Astros go out and get another bat like a 1B. Im thinking someone like Sean Casey. They could get him for cheap I think but he makes alot of money and the Astros payroll is pretty huge. Ideally you would like to see them get an outfielder instead but I dont know whos really going to be available. Soriano is too expensive both salary wise and what they would need to give up. Perhaps Reggie Sanders? Probably will make a move for some middle reliever as well but I dont see where they are going to come up with someone whos going to make that much of a difference given their payroll. They need to just get some more options on offense and hope Lidge becomes the old Lidge. The old Lidge makes their bullpen look much better than anyone they get in a trade would.

07-14-2006, 08:34 PM	#28
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	he is hit 3 hr driven in 10 rbis and slugged around .400 since may 25th. during that time he is batting around .200. sure his OBP is in the high 300s which is great considering he isnt hitting at all. The problem is his job is to drive in runs. Considering who has been hitting behind him for most of the year, Lane .200 average, ausmus (dont know now really bad lately was good at start but has been in decline since about the same time ensberg went cold) Everett is garbage offensively. This is the problem with the astros offense, they are getting people on base but they dont get any timely hits when they have scoring chances. I would agree with you that average alone isnt the sole judge of a players contribution. But we are talking about 2 months of no production now. and hes hitting .236 overall. You just cant keep sending him out and expect to get better. With Huff they now have options. If Ensberg gets hit stroke back they have even better options. I think Ensberg is hurt, and i dont think its because he has just lost it. The question is will he find it in time for the astros to make a run at the playoffs agian before they get buried in the standings.