Sometimes It Seems The Snake is Eating Its Tail - Page 2

fantom1979 · 06-21-2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bp_

has this thread already decended to the lows of the +1????

When you have 8 posts, you take all of the +1's you can get.

Nice read Endgame, now back to the tech forum for you.

bababui · 06-21-2006, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobble

No, it's my hobby. It's what I spend a very lot of my time on. Some fix cars, some garden, some (sigh) watch TV. I sink my intellect, my competitive spirit, and my imagination in games.

LMAO...why goof on folks who live in a television fantasyland when you are living in a fantasyland of your own? And just a dimension or two away. Marx must be revised to read 'Electronics are the opium of the masses.'

Anonymous Ghost · 06-21-2006, 02:20 AM

God, I wish I had scored some pot this week.

You should really put a disclaimer at the beginning--you know, for the thriving OOTP community in, cough, Amsterdam.

rasnell · 06-21-2006, 05:09 AM

I agree with the incredible depth of the manual and the deep thoughts of endgame. I'm sure he cares deeply about the future of this game.

But I wished someone would step back and take a simpler view at the fundamentals of solo game-play.

I won't harp on details since I've posted enough in sincere hopes that bad AI and cluttered game screens without important info, like the catcher's arm rating, the pitch count, without having to toggle between two views, will be patched rather than left as "features."

There are way too many AI problems to list, although I've tried in the proper forum for bugs

Being forced to not use minors to avoid fakes in historical sims is the supreme disappointment.

Worse, working through the manual and game guide and forum of experts, I set the player creation modifiers to terrible so the fakes would be so bad as to be undrafted. The AI went for horrible fakes, put them on their active roster while leaving excellent historicals off the active roster, and drafted so many pitchers that it didn't even have enough positional players to field a starting lineup.

Starting pitchers playing in right field and coming in to pinch hit. Just awful.

So, I don't feel like a user who can't appreciate the beauty of the interface or hasn't dug deeper to solve the learning curve. I just know that keeping it simple and looking at the fundamentals of game play also are extremely important to this user.

"See the ball, hit the ball" might be a decent mantra.

redmarkYankees · 06-21-2006, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

LMAO...why goof on folks who live in a television fantasyland when you are living in a fantasyland of your own? And just a dimension or two away. Marx must be revised to read 'Electronics are the opium of the masses.'

He'd be too busy playing games. I'd have him down as more an EU2 fan than OOTP, but you never know.

Bobble · 06-21-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

LMAO...why goof on folks who live in a television fantasyland when you are living in a fantasyland of your own? And just a dimension or two away. Marx must be revised to read 'Electronics are the opium of the masses.'

Tape your ass back on because you're missing the point. It's not about who's fantasyland is "better". If I'm going to spend my time on a hobby, it is going to be one where I can use my mind not be a passive observer. If anyone can give me one good reason The Simple Life needs to exist, I'm a dancing banana.

Twelvefield · 06-21-2006, 12:58 PM

Regarding Endgame's blog, I have two descriptors: "staggering" & "evocative". Read from that what you will.

I don't agree much with Endgame's blog, though, and I didn't care for his article. I don't mean anything personal by this, just that for me, his piece fell flat. I think he was trying to connect with the game on an emotional level on his own terms, but for that tactic to succeed in a blog assumes that the readers share the same emotional responses, and I, for one, don't.

It was said before, and I think it bears repeating: let's stick the to the basics and get them right, first.

TonyJ · 06-21-2006, 01:12 PM

I read that whole thing and don't get at all what he was trying to say. Good writing is not using overly flowery language and trying to sound deep, it is communicating ideas effectively. He did not do that at all.

Cooleyvol · 06-21-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

I read that whole thing and don't get at all what he was trying to say. Good writing is not using overly flowery language and trying to sound deep, it is communicating ideas effectively. He did not do that at all.

OK, I thought maybe I was just too stupid to get what the post was about. I feel a bit better now knowing that someone else read that whole thing with that sideways swag of your head such as a dog does when it hears a high pitched noise.

rwd59 · 06-21-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

OK, I thought maybe I was just too stupid to get what the post was about. I feel a bit better now knowing that someone else read that whole thing with that sideways swag of your head such as a dog does when it hears a high pitched noise.

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""", and so on, and so on. Dittos all the way!

treedom · 06-21-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by redmarkYankees

He'd be too busy playing games. I'd have him down as more an EU2 fan than OOTP, but you never know.

Yeah, EU2 would be right up his alley, but I'm thinking he'd prefer Vicky even more.

Davey Eckstein · 06-21-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

Stupid me thought I was buying a baseball game and now I find I have inadvertently purchased a portal to Pop Philosophy Land, where the Ultimate Truth lies buried in a dark corner under a forgotten list of the batting averages of Taiwanese shortstops who had two-strikes against them under the lights in August.....

I see, because you don't get the same level of enjoyment out of the game as someone, it's ok to call them out and make fun of them for it.

Good article, endgame, even I did get a little lost at times. Most likely due to my comprehension skills I'm sure.

Zitofan75 · 06-21-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey Eckstein

I see, because you don't get the same level of enjoyment out of the game as someone, it's ok to call them out and make fun of them for it.

Good point.

So the guy got deeper then some can/want to go, let him, it's just as valid as anything else.

redmarkYankees · 06-21-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by treedom

Yeah, EU2 would be right up his alley, but I'm thinking he'd prefer Vicky even more.

Too much micromanagement, unless he got Engels to do the boring bits for him.

JTWood · 06-21-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

I read that whole thing and don't get at all what he was trying to say. Good writing is not using overly flowery language and trying to sound deep, it is communicating ideas effectively. He did not do that at all.

Agreed. That's exactly what I thought when I read it a couple of days ago.

Questdog · 06-21-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey Eckstein

I see, because you don't get the same level of enjoyment out of the game as someone, it's ok to call them out and make fun of them for it.

Good article, endgame, even I did get a little lost at times. Most likely due to my comprehension skills I'm sure.

I don't think there's anyone in this world who gets more enjoyment from this game than I do. I's just pokin' a little fun at his attempt to be grandiose....

The article disturbs me a little, for some reason...

dashby · 06-22-2006, 11:25 PM

It was strictly an exercise in metaphors, analogies, and double-talk. As has already been said, I don't think it really shines light on anything of value in the game, gameplay, or experience but, it sure sounds like important stuff. Your garden-variety high-school English teacher would love it.

mavericktango · 06-22-2006, 11:31 PM

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06-21-2006, 02:20 AM	#23
Anonymous Ghost All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 751	God, I wish I had scored some pot this week. You should really put a disclaimer at the beginning--you know, for the thriving OOTP community in, cough, Amsterdam.

06-21-2006, 05:09 AM	#24
rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	I agree with the incredible depth of the manual and the deep thoughts of endgame. I'm sure he cares deeply about the future of this game. But I wished someone would step back and take a simpler view at the fundamentals of solo game-play. I won't harp on details since I've posted enough in sincere hopes that bad AI and cluttered game screens without important info, like the catcher's arm rating, the pitch count, without having to toggle between two views, will be patched rather than left as "features." There are way too many AI problems to list, although I've tried in the proper forum for bugs Being forced to not use minors to avoid fakes in historical sims is the supreme disappointment. Worse, working through the manual and game guide and forum of experts, I set the player creation modifiers to terrible so the fakes would be so bad as to be undrafted. The AI went for horrible fakes, put them on their active roster while leaving excellent historicals off the active roster, and drafted so many pitchers that it didn't even have enough positional players to field a starting lineup. Starting pitchers playing in right field and coming in to pinch hit. Just awful. So, I don't feel like a user who can't appreciate the beauty of the interface or hasn't dug deeper to solve the learning curve. I just know that keeping it simple and looking at the fundamentals of game play also are extremely important to this user. "See the ball, hit the ball" might be a decent mantra.

06-21-2006, 12:58 PM	#27
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Regarding Endgame's blog, I have two descriptors: "staggering" & "evocative". Read from that what you will. I don't agree much with Endgame's blog, though, and I didn't care for his article. I don't mean anything personal by this, just that for me, his piece fell flat. I think he was trying to connect with the game on an emotional level on his own terms, but for that tactic to succeed in a blog assumes that the readers share the same emotional responses, and I, for one, don't. It was said before, and I think it bears repeating: let's stick the to the basics and get them right, first.