A's Sign Loaiza - Page 2

UngratefulDead · 11-29-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

If by "I'll" you meant yourself, then sure.

That I did. I just don't see a guy who has had his two best seasons at 31 and 33 continuing the trend. I'm also put off by how erratic his K rate seems to be. Any White Sox/Nationals fans around who know what could explain this?

JDOldSchool · 11-29-2005, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

That I did. I just don't see a guy who has had his two best seasons at 30 and 31 and 33 continuing the trend. I'm also put off by how erratic his K rate seems to be. Any White Sox/Nationals fans around who know what could explain this?

In 2004 he lost velocity and they could not figure out where it went. Some suspected he just wasn't putting in the work/effort he had in 2003. His cut fastball went from unhittable to very, very hittable. I have no idea what caused him to bounce back to have a decent year last year.

LivnLegend · 11-29-2005, 02:50 AM

A rotation of Harden, Loaiza, Haren, Blanton, and Saarloos or Kennedy(?)

So what do the A's want for Zito? How about Milton Bradley and a top notch pitching prospect

attackemu · 11-29-2005, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

I think it's interesting how quickly us statheadz dismiss other GM's signings as just stupid, but when Beane makes a move like this we fall over ourselves trying to figure out how it is a good move. Not saying it's wrong, there's reason enough to doubt Beane would do something stupid, it's just interesting.

To that end, the first thing I thought when I read that was "Hm. I wonder what he knows that I don't."

Mark Guest · 11-29-2005, 03:17 AM

Most likely how he has done in Oakland.

2002: 2-0, 0.55 ERA
2003: 2-0, 1.93 ERA
2004: 0-1, 5.57 ERA
2005: 1-0 2.57 ERA

Beane must be expecting those types of numbers this season from Loazia.

Melo · 11-29-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

In 2004 he lost velocity and they could not figure out where it went. Some suspected he just wasn't putting in the work/effort he had in 2003. His cut fastball went from unhittable to very, very hittable. I have no idea what caused him to bounce back to have a decent year last year.

I think he was helped by that park. I'll bet quite a few mistakes died on the warning track. He should be OK in Oakland, I would guess.

Hotblack Desiato · 11-29-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LivnLegend

A rotation of Harden, Loaiza, Haren, Blanton, and Saarloos or Kennedy(?)

So what do the A's want for Zito? How about Milton Bradley and a top notch pitching prospect

I'd much rather our old GM negotiate this than our new one. I'd be much less concerned who that pitcher might be.

Sublimity · 11-29-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Guest

Most likely how he has done in Oakland.

2002: 2-0, 0.55 ERA
2003: 2-0, 1.93 ERA
2004: 0-1, 5.57 ERA
2005: 1-0 2.57 ERA

Beane must be expecting those types of numbers this season from Loazia.

And now he won't have to face the vaunted Oakland lineup when he's there.

Green & Gold Heart · 11-29-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublimity

And now he won't have to face the vaunted Oakland lineup when he's there.

^^^
Gets it.

LivnLegend · 11-29-2005, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotblack Desiato

I'd much rather our old GM negotiate this than our new one. I'd be much less concerned who that pitcher might be.

Who would you not give up in a trade for Zito?
Billingsley? Miller? Jackson?
Tiffany or Broxton?
Tiffany and Broxton?

Funny, Dodgers fans wold probably say no to trading Billingsley but the A's would want Billingsley AND Broxton along with a slugging outfielder.

mikev · 11-30-2005, 01:46 AM

I'd do Zito for Billingsley, Broxton, and LaRoche.

That said, I'd much rather that Lew Wolffe opens up his wallet and gives Zito a 4 years and 48 million extension.

LivnLegend · 11-30-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mikev

I'd do Zito for Billingsley, Broxton, and LaRoche.

That's crazy talk!

Mark Guest · 12-05-2005, 02:53 AM

I thought I'd mention that not only did the A's give up 21mil to Loaiza, they also give their first round Ammy pick to the Nationals since he is a type A free agent.

JDOldSchool · 12-05-2005, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Guest

I thought I'd mention that not only did the A's give up 21mil to Loaiza, they also give their first round Ammy pick to the Nationals since he is a type A free agent.

From what I saw he's Type B, but the point is still right. They give up their 1st round pick for him.

TonyJ · 12-05-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Guest

I thought I'd mention that not only did the A's give up 21mil to Loaiza, they also give their first round Ammy pick to the Nationals since he is a type A free agent.

That makes the move even more puzzling.

JDOldSchool · 12-05-2005, 03:07 AM

dola,

Should add that Dotel and Durazo are both Type A guys. I'm not sure if Beane will offer either of them arbitration, but if he does and they go elsewhere Beane will get that first round pick right back.

mikev · 12-05-2005, 03:24 AM

Dotel should get offered Arby, but not Durazo.

Dotel ALREADY has talks going, but Durazo would be wasting money, as I don't think he'd come back from missing a season and put up a .900 OPS again.

UngratefulDead · 12-05-2005, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

That makes the move even more puzzling.

Well, the 2006 class is supposed to be pretty weak. Maybe Beane doesn't think the signing bonus for a late first-rounder would be worth the return.

JWay · 12-05-2005, 01:09 PM

plz trade the holder of the curve ball from pluto, k thx bye

mikev · 12-05-2005, 02:20 PM

Now according to everywhere, Oakland is lookin to get Bradley from LA.IMO, Bradley won't cost Zito.

No way.

However, if packaging Zito will land some of LAs high prospects, I'd do it.

LA gets:
Zito
Payton

OAK gets:
Bradley
Billingsley
LaRoche
Tiffany

DO IT BILLY!

11-29-2005, 02:50 AM	#23
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	A rotation of Harden, Loaiza, Haren, Blanton, and Saarloos or Kennedy(?) So what do the A's want for Zito? How about Milton Bradley and a top notch pitching prospect __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

11-29-2005, 03:17 AM	#25
Mark Guest Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 258	Most likely how he has done in Oakland. 2002: 2-0, 0.55 ERA 2003: 2-0, 1.93 ERA 2004: 0-1, 5.57 ERA 2005: 1-0 2.57 ERA Beane must be expecting those types of numbers this season from Loazia. __________________ Hickory Baseball League - Baltimore Orioles (WS Champs) Cooperstown Diamond Legends - Detroit Tigers (0-0) Smallball coming soon

11-30-2005, 01:46 AM	#31
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	I'd do Zito for Billingsley, Broxton, and LaRoche. That said, I'd much rather that Lew Wolffe opens up his wallet and gives Zito a 4 years and 48 million extension. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

12-05-2005, 02:53 AM	#33
Mark Guest Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 258	I thought I'd mention that not only did the A's give up 21mil to Loaiza, they also give their first round Ammy pick to the Nationals since he is a type A free agent. __________________ Hickory Baseball League - Baltimore Orioles (WS Champs) Cooperstown Diamond Legends - Detroit Tigers (0-0) Smallball coming soon

12-05-2005, 03:24 AM	#37
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Dotel should get offered Arby, but not Durazo. Dotel ALREADY has talks going, but Durazo would be wasting money, as I don't think he'd come back from missing a season and put up a .900 OPS again. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

12-05-2005, 03:07 AM	#36
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	dola, Should add that Dotel and Durazo are both Type A guys. I'm not sure if Beane will offer either of them arbitration, but if he does and they go elsewhere Beane will get that first round pick right back.

12-05-2005, 01:09 PM	#39
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,021	plz trade the holder of the curve ball from pluto, k thx bye

12-05-2005, 02:20 PM	#40
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Now according to everywhere, Oakland is lookin to get Bradley from LA.IMO, Bradley won't cost Zito. No way. However, if packaging Zito will land some of LAs high prospects, I'd do it. LA gets: Zito Payton OAK gets: Bradley Billingsley LaRoche Tiffany DO IT BILLY! __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM Last edited by mikev; 12-05-2005 at 02:23 PM.