YES!!! - Beckett traded to Boston - Done Deal per Gammons!!! - Page 2

Joshv02 · 11-21-2005, 10:43 PM

$18mm/2 years.

QuestGAV · 11-21-2005, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

Lowell made $7.5 mil in 05. What's left on his contract?

2 years, $18 million. Alot of money, but probably less than Beckett's market value to say the least.

Joshv02 · 11-21-2005, 10:44 PM

(1) There is a rumor (Gammo?) that Lowell might be shipped to the Twins.
(2) There is a rumor (Gammo?) that the Sox received money from the Marlins.

theasfl · 11-21-2005, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

Lowell is baggage, the value of the deal hinges on whether Beckett pulls it together and pitches like an ace for the rest of his career.

Who the hell is going to be in the rotation with Dontrelle next year? He can't pitch everyday, can he?

Dontrelle, Jason Vargas, Scott Olsen, Brian Moehler?, Ismael Valdez, Josh Johnson?...essentially a whole heap of young arms with promising talent unless they sign a career nomad so these guys can develop.

theasfl · 11-21-2005, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by plus1handicap

The article states that Hanley Ramirez will likely be the starting SS for the Marlins.

He can't be too much worse than what was left at SS/2B at the end of our season.

Nukester · 11-21-2005, 10:57 PM

Man, I dont know. I would have been all over a deal to get Blalock

theasfl · 11-21-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nukester

Man, I dont know. I would have been all over a deal to get Blalock

theyre trying to cut costs, Blalock isnt the answer and he hit .263 and he probably wouldn't hit more than 30 HRs in our park and strikes out way too much...doesnt fit in well with our team. This trade gives the Marlins a damn good SS of the future, lets Miggy move back to his natural position and lets Chris Aguila and/or Jeremy Hermida try to prove themselves. Beckett can be traded because we have plenty of young arm prospects and we just added another in the deal. If I thought they were trying to become a power or at least a sizable contender Id think they were crazy, but for what they're trying to do with the team...its a good deal.

sebastian0622 · 11-21-2005, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

2 years, $18 million. Alot of money, but probably less than Beckett's market value to say the least.

Yeah, but there's a reasonable claim that they're paying double for what Lowell's worth, so in that sense the Marlins received $9 mil in cash in this deal as well...

QuestGAV · 11-21-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

Yeah, but there's a reasonable claim that they're paying double for what Lowell's worth, so in that sense the Marlins received $9 mil in cash in this deal as well...

Yeah I'm wondering if the Sox got a significant amount of cash in the deal or not. I could see them getting a few mil in the deal to make up for that difference. Plus there's always the chance the Lowell rebounds and has a fantastic year.

darkhorse · 11-22-2005, 01:13 AM

The offer the Rangers made was better than the one Florida accepted from Boston. Perhaps the dopes did us a favor.

Mark Guest · 11-22-2005, 01:29 AM

You mean taking the lesser tier SP prospect and a SS who even Boston fans admit is over rated isn't the same as a 2 time allstar 3B who is 25 and a potential #2 SP?

darkhorse · 11-22-2005, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Guest

You mean taking the lesser tier SP prospect and a SS who even Boston fans admit is over rated isn't the same as a 2 time allstar 3B who is 25 and a potential #2 SP?

It's what happens when a team gets fixated on a particular goal, in this case filling the SS position, and the myopia results in an inferior deal. Jon Daniels could have done the same and wildly overcompensated the Marlins to fill a perceived pitching need. I'm liking this kid more every day.

theasfl · 11-22-2005, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Guest

You mean taking the lesser tier SP prospect and a SS who even Boston fans admit is over rated isn't the same as a 2 time allstar 3B who is 25 and a potential #2 SP?

when youre trying to cut costs, yes. I still want to know who the 3rd prospect is if this trade even happens.

Joshv02 · 11-22-2005, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Guest

You mean taking the lesser tier SP prospect and a SS who even Boston fans admit is over rated isn't the same as a 2 time allstar 3B who is 25 and a potential #2 SP?

Sanchez is > Danks and likely Diamond.

That said, I'd rather have Blalock than Hanley by a good margin.

canadiancreed · 11-22-2005, 05:48 AM

looks like if Lowell and Beckett can get back to their to form, this will make thigns intresting in the AL east.

and now my boys are guarenteed to finish fourth. ugh

mh2365 · 11-22-2005, 07:26 AM

I didn't want to see Hanley go but for Beckett ... hell yeah. Rotation all of a sudden is looking pretty decent.

Beckett, Clement, Schilling, Papelbon, and Arroyo or Wakefield.

canadiancreed · 11-22-2005, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

I didn't want to see Hanley go but for Beckett ... hell yeah. Rotation all of a sudden is looking pretty decent.

Beckett, Clement, Schilling, Papelbon, and Arroyo or Wakefield.

when you can have those two as your #5?! That's not too shabby (ok so I think Wakefield is half decent, sue me :P )

Joshv02 · 11-22-2005, 07:38 AM

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ok so I think Wakefield is half decent, sue me :P

Wakefield is my favorite Sock.

Sublimity · 11-22-2005, 07:58 AM

There are too many of these frickin threads! The third Sawk is Jesus Delgado. I think Boston fans are allowed to be happy now. (Of course, everything is still pending physicals.)

mh2365 · 11-22-2005, 08:06 AM

I like Wakefield alot but I like him out of the pen. It's a nice change of pace from whoever started the game.

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Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	$18mm/2 years.

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Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	(1) There is a rumor (Gammo?) that Lowell might be shipped to the Twins. (2) There is a rumor (Gammo?) that the Sox received money from the Marlins.

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Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	Man, I dont know. I would have been all over a deal to get Blalock

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canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	looks like if Lowell and Beckett can get back to their to form, this will make thigns intresting in the AL east. and now my boys are guarenteed to finish fourth. ugh

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I didn't want to see Hanley go but for Beckett ... hell yeah. Rotation all of a sudden is looking pretty decent. Beckett, Clement, Schilling, Papelbon, and Arroyo or Wakefield.

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mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I like Wakefield alot but I like him out of the pen. It's a nice change of pace from whoever started the game.