Server- Forum Issues - Page 2

Jason · 09-30-2005, 05:58 AM

Just keep looking at the bright side.

The OOTP Forums are back.

And they don't have an English accent.

jf7623 · 09-30-2005, 05:58 AM

what a load of crap this is. So much is gone

Andreas Raht · 09-30-2005, 06:00 AM

Well the main problem has been that the database dump created by the backup software has been incomplete. Just in the middle of the file, after the "create table 'post'..." statement, the file ended. So all the posts would been gone, but also the other tables that follow the post table, and also all our internal data. The latest complete backup has been a July backup

I know that this really sucks. Please accept my *sincere* apologies! Especially Chris and all the others, who really put a lot of work into this forum! You can believe me that nobody has been shocked more than I when I saw that the database would not restore.

We here have lost a lot of data, too. The brand new OOTP 2006 thread is gone, all the Title Bout 2 tipps & tricks, several tables containing internal data... all gone.

Well I've learned my lesson. I will now monthly restore the backup on the other server and look whether it works. Having a backup is just not worth anything when it's uncomplete or damaged... Who restores his backup frequently just to see whether it works? Well, I will start to do it...

We'll work out a plan now to prevent that this happens again. I'll keep you posted about changes in the backup concept, because I know that you need to trust us to put so much work into this forum.

theasfl · 09-30-2005, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GForce

Who gives a rat's ass about post counts? So much that was so vastly more important than that has been lost through this debacle.

GH

I love you too

IatricSB · 09-30-2005, 06:09 AM

Post counts are teh suk

CONN CHRIS · 09-30-2005, 06:13 AM

Thanks for posting Andreas. I appreciate your willingness to stick your head up as I am sure that this has been a rough couple of days for you. People are going to be mad (me included) but keep us informed and I am sure all will be back to normal in short order.

By the way, it's incomplete. (Damn Germans

)

Big Six · 09-30-2005, 06:13 AM

Yes, I am fully aware that I should have backed up everything I've written in The Base Ball Life of Patrick O'Farrell and The Keystone League. If I had, then it would simply be a matter of reposting everything I'd added since mid-July.

Unfortunately, I didn't plan ahead that well. In Pat O'Farrell's world, I lost the end of the 1930 season, all of 1931, and most of 1932. Half the Keystone League's history is gone. End of story.

Braveheart · 09-30-2005, 08:32 AM

Maybe Oak/Stunt/Bibs are all finally Free.

CommishJoe · 09-30-2005, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GForce

Suck doesn't even begin to cover it. How these guys, supposed professionals, allowed this to happen, is just ridiculous. I'm just curious if someone is actually going to step up and take the blame for the positively asinine decision to back up to the same hard drive. A lot of people have lost a lot of things they put a great deal of time and effort into....not meaningless posts but major contributions. All washed away.

GH

Don't mean to pick on you GH (since I responded to your post in the OOTP forum too), but it was the last one I could read before replying

I wouldn't be so quick as to blame the OOTP folks for this decision. You'd be surprised just how common this configuration is in the hosting world. There are hosting companies out there that backup their SHARED servers to the single live HD. Personally, I lay more of the blame on the data center that's providing their hosting. They should have been smart enough to suggest at least a 2nd hard drive dedicated to backups for this machine. I still don't think they needed to go as far as having a redundant server, as they have better things to spend their money on. But, a 2nd hard drive is an in-expensive way to reduce the risk of data loss to something physically happening to the data center.

GForce · 09-30-2005, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommishJoe

Don't mean to pick on you GH (since I responded to your post in the OOTP forum too), but it was the last one I could read before replying

I wouldn't be so quick as to blame the OOTP folks for this decision. You'd be surprised just how common this configuration is in the hosting world. There are hosting companies out there that backup their SHARED servers to the single live HD. Personally, I lay more of the blame on the data center that's providing their hosting. They should have been smart enough to suggest at least a 2nd hard drive dedicated to backups for this machine. I still don't think they needed to go as far as having a redundant server, as they have better things to spend their money on. But, a 2nd hard drive is an in-expensive way to reduce the risk of data loss to something physically happening to the data center.

Not picking on by any means, Joe.

Still, I think the OOTP folks DO need to be blamed. It's their company, their Web site, their responsibility to handle it correctly. You've explained the redundant server issue elsewhere, and I can understand that better now. But if these guys are professionals, shouldn't THEY have researched a 2nd hard drive dedicated to backups, rather than waiting for someone else to suggest it TO them? That other companies make the same mistake does not mean OOTP didn't make it, too, or that those most affected don't have a right to be pretty upset right now.

Appreciate the explanation (in both posts

)

GH

CommishJoe · 09-30-2005, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GForce

Not picking on by any means, Joe.

Still, I think the OOTP folks DO need to be blamed. It's their company, their Web site, their responsibility to handle it correctly. You've explained the redundant server issue elsewhere, and I can understand that better now. But if these guys are professionals, shouldn't THEY have researched a 2nd hard drive dedicated to backups, rather than waiting for someone else to suggest it TO them? That other companies make the same mistake does not mean OOTP didn't make it, too, or that those most affected don't have a right to be pretty upset right now.

Appreciate the explanation (in both posts

)

GH

I do agree that SOME of the blame lies at their feet as it was ultimately their decision. However, if they were relying on an "experts" opinion, a lion's share of that blame should be on the experts.

bibs · 09-30-2005, 09:23 AM

I can't believe that all this valuable information wasn't backed up on to tape and stored underground in case of a nuclear attack. How could the cornerstone of our civilization be left so vulnerable? I sure hope they didn't lose the list of banned users - Oakjefferson could be here right now.

ronzonie007 · 09-30-2005, 09:28 AM

Free Oak! Free the database!

Spielman · 09-30-2005, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale And Eli's Dad

Just keep looking at the bright side.

The OOTP Forums are back.

And they don't have an English accent.

"

ronzonie007 · 09-30-2005, 09:42 AM

I bet the guy with the pink arrow in his game can get the missing stuff off that hard drive.

f.montoya · 09-30-2005, 10:17 AM

I'll live.

metsgeek · 09-30-2005, 10:25 AM

I lost over 13 seasons from my main dynasty and my entire 2nd dynasty. Probably over 75 hours of typing. They're basically dead.

Are you sure you guys don't work for the Bush administration? Brownie, is that you????

TonyJ · 09-30-2005, 10:43 AM

I'm upset that I lost....nothing of consequence!

That's flippant, I know, people did lose things they put a lot of work in to and if that had been me I would be pretty upset.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 09-30-2005, 10:59 AM

I guess I should've backed up my dynasty better. It, too, is now effectively dead - I'm certainly not going to try to recreate two seasons of writing and such. My sympathies go out to dynasty writers who lost much more work than I did.

cknox0723 · 09-30-2005, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsgeek

I lost over 13 seasons from my main dynasty and my entire 2nd dynasty. Probably over 75 hours of typing.

i can echo the latter part of that. i lost over 100 posts in my dynasty and g-d knows how many sentences that i could have looked back on in a year and said, "hey, that's funny as hell!" i am sure i will hit the anger stage eventually -- right now i am just hoping beyond hope that this can somehow be fixed.

09-30-2005, 06:00 AM	#23
Andreas Raht Administrator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hollern/Stade/Germany Posts: 8,992	Well the main problem has been that the database dump created by the backup software has been incomplete. Just in the middle of the file, after the "create table 'post'..." statement, the file ended. So all the posts would been gone, but also the other tables that follow the post table, and also all our internal data. The latest complete backup has been a July backup I know that this really sucks. Please accept my sincere apologies! Especially Chris and all the others, who really put a lot of work into this forum! You can believe me that nobody has been shocked more than I when I saw that the database would not restore. We here have lost a lot of data, too. The brand new OOTP 2006 thread is gone, all the Title Bout 2 tipps & tricks, several tables containing internal data... all gone. Well I've learned my lesson. I will now monthly restore the backup on the other server and look whether it works. Having a backup is just not worth anything when it's uncomplete or damaged... Who restores his backup frequently just to see whether it works? Well, I will start to do it... We'll work out a plan now to prevent that this happens again. I'll keep you posted about changes in the backup concept, because I know that you need to trust us to put so much work into this forum. __________________ Andreas Raht andreas@ootpdevelopments.com Out of the Park Developments

09-30-2005, 06:09 AM	#25
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09-30-2005, 06:13 AM	#26
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,068	Thanks for posting Andreas. I appreciate your willingness to stick your head up as I am sure that this has been a rough couple of days for you. People are going to be mad (me included) but keep us informed and I am sure all will be back to normal in short order. By the way, it's incomplete. (Damn Germans ) __________________ Check Out My Cards!

09-30-2005, 06:13 AM	#27
Big Six Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 3,145	Yes, I am fully aware that I should have backed up everything I've written in The Base Ball Life of Patrick O'Farrell and The Keystone League. If I had, then it would simply be a matter of reposting everything I'd added since mid-July. Unfortunately, I didn't plan ahead that well. In Pat O'Farrell's world, I lost the end of the 1930 season, all of 1931, and most of 1932. Half the Keystone League's history is gone. End of story. __________________ My dynasties: The Base Ball Life of Patrick O'Farrell: 2014 inductee, OOTP Dynasty Hall of Fame Kenilworth: A Town and its Team: fun with a fictional league Last edited by Big Six; 09-30-2005 at 06:19 AM.

09-30-2005, 08:32 AM	#28
Braveheart Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 152	Maybe Oak/Stunt/Bibs are all finally Free. __________________ "All men die, not all men really live" --William Wallace "See thats the problem with this guy. You call him a moron, and he just sits there acting moronly" This message brought up to from the same people you brought you "FREE BIBS"

09-30-2005, 05:58 AM	#21
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,855	Just keep looking at the bright side. The OOTP Forums are back. And they don't have an English accent.

09-30-2005, 05:58 AM	#22
jf7623 Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 713 Infractions: 0/4 (4)	what a load of crap this is. So much is gone

09-30-2005, 09:23 AM	#32
bibs Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 84	I can't believe that all this valuable information wasn't backed up on to tape and stored underground in case of a nuclear attack. How could the cornerstone of our civilization be left so vulnerable? I sure hope they didn't lose the list of banned users - Oakjefferson could be here right now.

09-30-2005, 09:28 AM	#33
ronzonie007 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 76	Free Oak! Free the database!

09-30-2005, 09:42 AM	#35
ronzonie007 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 76	I bet the guy with the pink arrow in his game can get the missing stuff off that hard drive.

09-30-2005, 10:17 AM	#36
f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,077	I'll live. __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball League ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) Ex-Web Host Current Mod Maker??

09-30-2005, 10:25 AM	#37
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	I lost over 13 seasons from my main dynasty and my entire 2nd dynasty. Probably over 75 hours of typing. They're basically dead. Are you sure you guys don't work for the Bush administration? Brownie, is that you???? __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!!

09-30-2005, 10:43 AM	#38
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	I'm upset that I lost....nothing of consequence! That's flippant, I know, people did lose things they put a lot of work in to and if that had been me I would be pretty upset. __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

09-30-2005, 10:59 AM	#39
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I guess I should've backed up my dynasty better. It, too, is now effectively dead - I'm certainly not going to try to recreate two seasons of writing and such. My sympathies go out to dynasty writers who lost much more work than I did. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.