Time Warp Baseball - Page 199

canadiancreed · 03-07-2005, 01:37 PM

I persoanlyl was really rooting for the Pirates to take it once my team went to sleep and stayed there for the year. I think that with Cotton and Gwantely, Pittsburgh has a good chance next year. After that with Cotton probably dropping/retireing, and Gajan gone this year, their rotation starts to get thin, and that coudl be trouble

Darn it all, get gramps in the big show Jeff

tward13 · 03-07-2005, 02:53 PM

Sure, no love for the Giants.

When's the last time we won the Series?

Lots of long time stars with no rings here too. And talk about windows closing in another year or so....

canadiancreed · 03-07-2005, 03:14 PM

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Sure, no love for the Giants.

You dont have my ancestor as part of the team

m0ng00se · 03-07-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jdw

Poor Corky. Leads the AL in Wins and ERA, and gets called the #3 starter.

I think it's because the Tigers adjusted their rotation for the final SIM to take advantage of days off, move Stell up, and limit Wolfe.

You would be correct sir. Although I was hesitant to trade for him, Stell has made a believer out of me and he has been our ace pretty much the entire year. His drop down to #3 had nothing to do with his pecking order on our team.

Like you mentioned, was looking to take advantage of matchups that would give us the best chance of finishing strong and a day off on the calendar afforded us that opportunity to tweak. Wolfe finished strong as well, but I had more confidence in Stell's consistency so getting him another start ahead of schedule plus taking advantage of matchups worked out fairly well.

jdw · 03-07-2005, 06:49 PM

> I never said it wasn't tough for other teams.
> I think Frank's pain and my pain are completely
> different, but I don't know that you can classify
> one or the other as tougher.

I was simply trying to talk you off the ledge, Jeff.

Since Frank has talked about his tough times finishing close over the years, he made for an easy contrast.

As a "fan", it was as tough for me to watch as it was exciting. While I'm a Tigers Fan in the AL, Eric and Pete are two of the more enjoyable GMs to watch build a team. They're a couple of good guys, even if I'll never figure out Eric's waiver moves or Pete's line ups... but that part of what I also enjoy about them. They good sports in my ribbing, and give even better than the get from me. The team in the AL that I like the most won, but it's not east to root against those Sox and A's sides.

In the NL, it was brutal down the stretch with three of my favorite teams. You've seen the nice things I've yammered about the Pirates in the past, and I've come to their defense when they were besmirched by our Beloved Commish.

I have a vested rooting interest in the Giants adding to the legacy that I will someday inherit (and promptly take into the basement :P ). And the Cards are filled with so many of my favorite players and have such a great almost Boys of Summer storyline that I have a great fondness for the club.

Beyond that, it's three of my favorite GMs going toe-to-toe. I wrote what I thought of you in the old wavier debate when someone kept claiming your players. I think Frank has gotten past what he saw as my Philly Luv and I get along with him really well now. And from all my dealing with Tom, he's one of the "good people" I've run across in online gaming/fantasy things.

"Coming close" sucks. I know that, and will be feeling the exact some thing if I ever get the Giants above .500. I just wanted to get across that you had an amazing and wonderful season.

John

jdw · 03-07-2005, 07:18 PM

> Sure, no love for the Giants.

>
> When's the last time we won the Series?

1921. The series went the full nine games.

In Game 9, the Senators scored 4 runs in the top of the first on triples by McCaffrey, Will Miller, a dinger by Nicholson, a Turley two bagger and a Queener single. 19 game winner Collin Carr was looking like dog meat.

The Giants came back in the bottom of the first, when Threlkeld doubles in Krik, and after outs by Ditty and Jarry, Whitey Kohse doubled in Threlkeld.

It remained scoreless until the bottom of the 5th, with the top of the order Kirk (leadoff 3B) and Threlkeld (RBI single) did the damage once again. This time a different member of the Giants great Thread Headed Monster heart of the order plated Threlkeld - Campbell Ditty crushed a ball into the gap for a double to tie the game. Kohse double in the first to plate Threlkeld. Ditty double in the fifth to plate him again. What two Hall of Famer sit astride the All-Time Doubles list?

In all this, the once shakey Collin Carr was finding himself, shutting out the Senators again in the top of the 6th.

In the bottom of the 6th, Willie Heilman led off with a double. Matt Valcarcel wild pitched him over to 3rd, and Joe Kirk's ground out plated him to make it 5-4 Giants.

Carr was sailing now. Whenever the Senators would get runners on, he would bring his best stuff and get out of before anyone could think of "scoring threat".

In the bottom of the 8th, catcher Daniel Kenny lead off with a walk. Carr bunted him over to second. The Kirk-Threlkeld did it yet again in the game, with a Krik single sending Kenny to third, and a Threlkeld single plating him.

In the top of the 9th, Carr allowed a one out single to Corie Mueller. Like he had done from the second on, Carr was deadly in the "pinch" this afternoon. A wicked "sinkball" induced Ronald Ulzheimer to ground to Jarry. The first base was known for his range and not his arm, and the throw to second arrived just before the sliding Mueller. Kohse, a four time Gold Glove winner, held his ground, got the ball and with his legendary "quick release" flipped the ball down to first knowing he didn't need a lot all the ball to be the slow footed Ulzheimer. Kohse didn't see the ball land in Jarry's mitt in plenty of time to complete the 3-6-3 double play - Mueller had taken him out on a hard slide, just a second too late to impact the throw.

Kohse, Ditty, Jarry. Forgotten players playing huge like Krik and Threlkeld. The Goat-to-Hero performance of Carr. Manager Ervin Greiner winning the first of his six World Series with the two New York clubs.

Yeah, it's been a long time.

John

Matt from TN · 03-07-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jdw

You've seen the nice things I've yammered about the Pirates in the past, and I've come to their defense when they were besmirched by our Beloved Commish.

What did I do? :P

I thought I'd made it plainly obvious that the Pirates were my current fav NL team. Although, as I said before, I'm kinda glad they don't face the Tigers since they're my current fav AL team & I'd hate for one to lose. I'll be rooting even harder for Pittsburgh next season. And I must say that their trade for Cotton Simson was the most exciting trade for me in the "live" era.

THE GUT · 03-07-2005, 07:29 PM

Can't wait until next year. I'm rooting for the Browns. With Boris and the other top prospects they have, we should see some dominance by them in the mid-to-late 50's...though they'll probably be the Orioles before they have any chance at a crown.

DamnYankees · 03-07-2005, 07:32 PM

Let's all take a moment to reflect on the history of the Boston Braves. They're done for. 2 World Championships in 1911 and 1931. Maybe Vris could do a little report before they move to Milwaukee.

canadiancreed · 03-07-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DamnYankees

Let's all take a moment to reflect on the history of the Boston Braves. They're done for. 2 World Championships in 1911 and 1931. Maybe Vris could do a little report before they move to Milwaukee.

ahh yes arent they moving this year?

m0ng00se · 03-07-2005, 08:24 PM

Start the parades in Detroit.

BPS · 03-07-2005, 08:26 PM

Break up the Tigers!

Matt from TN · 03-07-2005, 08:29 PM

WORLD SERIES BOX SCORES UPDATED

WORLD SERIES

The Giants scored 3 runs off Corky Stell in the first 2 innings then added 3 more runs in the 5th. Meanwhile, Garland Sisk allowed just 2 runs off 6 hits.

Tigers 2 - Giants 6

The Tigers scored 3 runs in the 1st inning off Walter Pond. The runs came via a leadoff double from David Castaneda, a 1-out RBI single by Ray Kress and a 2 out, 2-run homerun from Matt Perly. Down 5-2 in the bottom of the 9th, New York got runners on the corners with no out against closer Lloyd Wyman. Tom Howard hit into a crucial double play that scored a run. Then Nick Pursell flied out to end the game.

Tigers 5 - Giants 3

New York scored a run in the 1st, but then Bud Ulrich calmed down and the Tigers offense took over. Detroit scored 3 runs in the 1st on a 3-run shot by Luther Ormiston. Then they scored 4 runs in the 3rd off two 2-run homers, one by Ray Kress and one by John Degal. Ulrich went on to allow just the one run off 5 hits in 7.2 IP, while Jack Schoonover allowed 7 runs before being lifted after 4 IP.

Giants 1 - Tigers 8

The Tigers broke open a scoreless tie with a 2-out grand slam by Kress in the 4th. Garland Sisk coughed up a solo dinger to Roland Fish in the 5th, while Bud Ulrich cruised along. Stell allowed just 2 runs off 7 hits over 7 IP. New York once again got to closer Wyman in the 9th with back-to-back 2-out singles. An error by shortstop Castaneda allowed a run to score and the inning to continue. Matt Perly then made a great defensive effort on a slow roller between 1st and 2nd to throw out Nick Pursell and end the game, giving Detroit a big 3-1 series lead.

Giants 3 - Tigers 6

Matt Perly hit a 3-run homer to highlight a 5-run 1st inning for Detroit. They scored another run in the 2nd and after two singles led off the 3rd, Walter Pond was chased from the game, slamming his glove onto the dugout floor on his way out. Detroit went on to add 2 more runs that inning in what turned out to be a 10-0 rout. Hal Andrew tossed a 4-hit shutout for his 2nd win of the series.

Giants 0 - Tigers 10

Ray Kress and Hal Andrew were named co-MVP's. In a Series where Detroit's offense dominated, Kress put on one of the best hitting performances EVER. He hit .600 with 4 HR, 2 doubles, 10 RBI, 7 runs, 7 walks, a .727 OBP, a 1.533 SLG and an unimaginable 2.261 OPS.

Not to be outdone, Andrew dominated New York from the pitching mound. He went 2-0 with a 1.15 ERA, including a 4-hit shutout in the clinching Game 5.

m0ng00se · 03-07-2005, 08:39 PM

Kress was ending the regular season way too quiet like, I had hoped he was just saving up for this series. It's nice to finish on top after so many years of being runner up in the AL.

tward13 · 03-07-2005, 11:32 PM

Great job Tigers. You ran over us just like you ran over the AL.

Vris · 03-08-2005, 12:27 AM

Congrats.

Yeah I'm thinking about writing something up. But I'm not in the right mind to do anything this week. I want to roll over and just go to sleep. Worst.Week.Ever.

Congrats to everyone.

m0ng00se · 03-08-2005, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tward13

Great job Tigers. You ran over us just like you ran over the AL.

Congrats to you too, that was one heck of a NL battle you fought your way out of.

Hopefully, we can hook up again in the not so distant future.

DamnYankees · 03-08-2005, 05:30 AM

Alright, here's my annual report on the win shares. Here are our 1952 win share totals for hitters and pitchers. I'll give the top 5 defensive win shares at each position in the next post. As usual, if you want to know someone specific, just ask.

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Position Players

              TEAM   Win Shares
1)  Kress     DET    37.5
2)  Helbig    STL    35.7
3)  Ormiston  DET    32.7
4)  Howard    NYG    32.6
5)  Rauch     CHN    30.3
6)  Habermehl PHA    30.2
7)  Wing      STL    29.9
8)  H. Lee    PHA    29.1
9)  M. Lutske BOS    28.8
10) I. Walker PIT    28.6

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Pitchers

               TEAM   Win Shares
1)  Allen Jr.  CHA    31.6
2)  Liebermann CHN    31.0
3)  Simson     PIT    30.7
4)  Stell      DET    26.4
5)  Ulrich     DET    25.4
6)  Sisk       NYG    23.9
7)  Andrew     DET    21.4
8)  J. Lutske  BOS    21.1
9)  Gardner    NYG    21.0
10) Lustgarten CHN    21.0

It is clear that Roadhouse was maybe the least deserving MVP winner of all time. With 20.8 WS for the year, he ranks 15th in the National League in win shares. I'm unable to check all the years, but this is easily the lowest ranking player I've seen win the MVP award. Apparently that .310 OBP doesn't matter to the voters.

DamnYankees · 03-08-2005, 05:41 AM

Defensive Win Shares - Top 5 at each position:

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Catchers

                        TEAM    Win Shares
1.    	Chuck Rauch 	CHN 	9.8	 
2.    	Biff Betters 	CIN 	8.2
3.    	Rich Curtis 	NYA 	7.8 
4.    	Don Lock 	BSN/BOS 6.5
5.    	Surrel Slater 	BKN 	5.5

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First Basemen

                        TEAM    Win Shares
1.    	Ben Giordano 	PIT 	2.9
2.    	Genarito Nunez 	STL 	2.5 
3.    	Bobby Johnson 	BOS/CHN 2.5 	
4.    	Arnie Stewart 	NYA 	2.3 
5.    	Lonny Arrendale PHI	2.2

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Second Basemen

                        TEAM    Win Shares
1.    	Dean Parente 	WSH 	8.5 
2.    	Tom Howard 	NYG 	7.4 	 
3.    	Maurice Goza 	CIN 	6.3 	
4.    	Matt Perly 	DET 	6.1 	
5.    	John Valcarcel 	CLE 	5.9

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Third Basemen
                        TEAM    Win Shares
1.    	Donald Medart 	CHA 	6.6 	 
2.    	Ike Walker 	PIT 	6.3 
3.    	Emerson Meggs 	  	5.6 
4.    	Jim Dunkel 	WSH 	5.1 
5.    	Howard Ayers 	PHA 	4.1

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Shortstops
                        TEAM    Win Shares
1.    	Moses Bottoms 	PIT 	8.8 		 
2.    	Bonnard Shadle 	BSN 	8.3 
3.    	David Castaneda DET 	8.3 	 
4.    	Blake Crocitto 	WSH 	6.7 	 
5.    	Morris Lutske 	BOS 	6.0

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Leftfielders
                        TEAM    Win Shares
1.    	Ogden Wing 	STL 	5.0 	
2.    	Don Myer 	BOS/CHN	4.3  
3.    	Ray Kress 	DET 	4.2  
4.    	Chester Munch 	CHA/PIT	3.7 	
5.    	Grady Fisher 	CHN/BOS	3.7

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Centerfielders
                        TEAM    Win Shares
1.    	Cliff Wynne 	CHN 	6.1 	 
2.    	Albert Huschke 	PIT 	5.9 	 
3.    	Roland Fish 	DET 	5.6 
4.    	Cyrus Helbig 	  	5.4  
5.    	Artie Albrecht 	NYG 	4.7

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Rightfielders
                        TEAM    Win Shares
1.    	C. Hulliberger 	CHN 	4.2 
2.    	Barry Rarick 	STL 	4.0 
3.    	Harry Badeau 	PHA 	4.0 
4.    	William Perry 	PIT 	3.9 
5.    	Carl Sandoz 	DET 	3.5

Whew, there we go.

fhomess · 03-08-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DamnYankees

Defensive Win Shares - Top 5 at each position:

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Shortstops
                        TEAM    Win Shares
1.    	Moses Bottoms 	PIT 	8.8 		 
2.    	Bonnard Shadle 	BSN 	8.3 
3.    	David Castaneda DET 	8.3 	 
4.    	Blake Crocitto 	WSH 	6.7 	 
5.    	Morris Lutske 	BOS 	6.0

I'm curious what SS Victor Estevez had in the way of Win Shares. He won the AL Gold Glove but wasn't on your list.

03-07-2005, 01:37 PM	#3961
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	I persoanlyl was really rooting for the Pirates to take it once my team went to sleep and stayed there for the year. I think that with Cotton and Gwantely, Pittsburgh has a good chance next year. After that with Cotton probably dropping/retireing, and Gajan gone this year, their rotation starts to get thin, and that coudl be trouble Darn it all, get gramps in the big show Jeff __________________ PT21 PT22

03-07-2005, 08:24 PM	#3971
m0ng00se Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 383	Start the parades in Detroit. __________________ Michael AKA m0ng00se - Former TWB Detroit Tigers GM (1946-1964) Pennants: 1948, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1962, 1963, 1964 -- Titles: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1963 Last edited by m0ng00se; 03-07-2005 at 08:25 PM.

03-07-2005, 08:29 PM	#3973
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	WORLD SERIES BOX SCORES UPDATED WORLD SERIES The Giants scored 3 runs off Corky Stell in the first 2 innings then added 3 more runs in the 5th. Meanwhile, Garland Sisk allowed just 2 runs off 6 hits. Tigers 2 - Giants 6 The Tigers scored 3 runs in the 1st inning off Walter Pond. The runs came via a leadoff double from David Castaneda, a 1-out RBI single by Ray Kress and a 2 out, 2-run homerun from Matt Perly. Down 5-2 in the bottom of the 9th, New York got runners on the corners with no out against closer Lloyd Wyman. Tom Howard hit into a crucial double play that scored a run. Then Nick Pursell flied out to end the game. Tigers 5 - Giants 3 New York scored a run in the 1st, but then Bud Ulrich calmed down and the Tigers offense took over. Detroit scored 3 runs in the 1st on a 3-run shot by Luther Ormiston. Then they scored 4 runs in the 3rd off two 2-run homers, one by Ray Kress and one by John Degal. Ulrich went on to allow just the one run off 5 hits in 7.2 IP, while Jack Schoonover allowed 7 runs before being lifted after 4 IP. Giants 1 - Tigers 8 The Tigers broke open a scoreless tie with a 2-out grand slam by Kress in the 4th. Garland Sisk coughed up a solo dinger to Roland Fish in the 5th, while Bud Ulrich cruised along. Stell allowed just 2 runs off 7 hits over 7 IP. New York once again got to closer Wyman in the 9th with back-to-back 2-out singles. An error by shortstop Castaneda allowed a run to score and the inning to continue. Matt Perly then made a great defensive effort on a slow roller between 1st and 2nd to throw out Nick Pursell and end the game, giving Detroit a big 3-1 series lead. Giants 3 - Tigers 6 Matt Perly hit a 3-run homer to highlight a 5-run 1st inning for Detroit. They scored another run in the 2nd and after two singles led off the 3rd, Walter Pond was chased from the game, slamming his glove onto the dugout floor on his way out. Detroit went on to add 2 more runs that inning in what turned out to be a 10-0 rout. Hal Andrew tossed a 4-hit shutout for his 2nd win of the series. Giants 0 - Tigers 10 Ray Kress and Hal Andrew were named co-MVP's. In a Series where Detroit's offense dominated, Kress put on one of the best hitting performances EVER. He hit .600 with 4 HR, 2 doubles, 10 RBI, 7 runs, 7 walks, a .727 OBP, a 1.533 SLG and an unimaginable 2.261 OPS. Not to be outdone, Andrew dominated New York from the pitching mound. He went 2-0 with a 1.15 ERA, including a 4-hit shutout in the clinching Game 5. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise Last edited by Matt from TN; 03-07-2005 at 08:40 PM.

03-07-2005, 08:39 PM	#3974
m0ng00se Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 383	Kress was ending the regular season way too quiet like, I had hoped he was just saving up for this series. It's nice to finish on top after so many years of being runner up in the AL. __________________ Michael AKA m0ng00se - Former TWB Detroit Tigers GM (1946-1964) Pennants: 1948, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1962, 1963, 1964 -- Titles: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1963

03-08-2005, 12:27 AM	#3976
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	Congrats. Yeah I'm thinking about writing something up. But I'm not in the right mind to do anything this week. I want to roll over and just go to sleep. Worst.Week.Ever. Congrats to everyone. __________________ None Blog it.

03-07-2005, 02:53 PM	#3962
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Sure, no love for the Giants. When's the last time we won the Series? Lots of long time stars with no rings here too. And talk about windows closing in another year or so....

03-07-2005, 06:49 PM	#3965
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> I never said it wasn't tough for other teams. > I think Frank's pain and my pain are completely > different, but I don't know that you can classify > one or the other as tougher. I was simply trying to talk you off the ledge, Jeff. Since Frank has talked about his tough times finishing close over the years, he made for an easy contrast. As a "fan", it was as tough for me to watch as it was exciting. While I'm a Tigers Fan in the AL, Eric and Pete are two of the more enjoyable GMs to watch build a team. They're a couple of good guys, even if I'll never figure out Eric's waiver moves or Pete's line ups... but that part of what I also enjoy about them. They good sports in my ribbing, and give even better than the get from me. The team in the AL that I like the most won, but it's not east to root against those Sox and A's sides. In the NL, it was brutal down the stretch with three of my favorite teams. You've seen the nice things I've yammered about the Pirates in the past, and I've come to their defense when they were besmirched by our Beloved Commish. I have a vested rooting interest in the Giants adding to the legacy that I will someday inherit (and promptly take into the basement :P ). And the Cards are filled with so many of my favorite players and have such a great almost Boys of Summer storyline that I have a great fondness for the club. Beyond that, it's three of my favorite GMs going toe-to-toe. I wrote what I thought of you in the old wavier debate when someone kept claiming your players. I think Frank has gotten past what he saw as my Philly Luv and I get along with him really well now. And from all my dealing with Tom, he's one of the "good people" I've run across in online gaming/fantasy things. "Coming close" sucks. I know that, and will be feeling the exact some thing if I ever get the Giants above .500. I just wanted to get across that you had an amazing and wonderful season. John

03-07-2005, 07:18 PM	#3966
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> Sure, no love for the Giants. > > When's the last time we won the Series? 1921. The series went the full nine games. In Game 9, the Senators scored 4 runs in the top of the first on triples by McCaffrey, Will Miller, a dinger by Nicholson, a Turley two bagger and a Queener single. 19 game winner Collin Carr was looking like dog meat. The Giants came back in the bottom of the first, when Threlkeld doubles in Krik, and after outs by Ditty and Jarry, Whitey Kohse doubled in Threlkeld. It remained scoreless until the bottom of the 5th, with the top of the order Kirk (leadoff 3B) and Threlkeld (RBI single) did the damage once again. This time a different member of the Giants great Thread Headed Monster heart of the order plated Threlkeld - Campbell Ditty crushed a ball into the gap for a double to tie the game. Kohse double in the first to plate Threlkeld. Ditty double in the fifth to plate him again. What two Hall of Famer sit astride the All-Time Doubles list? In all this, the once shakey Collin Carr was finding himself, shutting out the Senators again in the top of the 6th. In the bottom of the 6th, Willie Heilman led off with a double. Matt Valcarcel wild pitched him over to 3rd, and Joe Kirk's ground out plated him to make it 5-4 Giants. Carr was sailing now. Whenever the Senators would get runners on, he would bring his best stuff and get out of before anyone could think of "scoring threat". In the bottom of the 8th, catcher Daniel Kenny lead off with a walk. Carr bunted him over to second. The Kirk-Threlkeld did it yet again in the game, with a Krik single sending Kenny to third, and a Threlkeld single plating him. In the top of the 9th, Carr allowed a one out single to Corie Mueller. Like he had done from the second on, Carr was deadly in the "pinch" this afternoon. A wicked "sinkball" induced Ronald Ulzheimer to ground to Jarry. The first base was known for his range and not his arm, and the throw to second arrived just before the sliding Mueller. Kohse, a four time Gold Glove winner, held his ground, got the ball and with his legendary "quick release" flipped the ball down to first knowing he didn't need a lot all the ball to be the slow footed Ulzheimer. Kohse didn't see the ball land in Jarry's mitt in plenty of time to complete the 3-6-3 double play - Mueller had taken him out on a hard slide, just a second too late to impact the throw. Kohse, Ditty, Jarry. Forgotten players playing huge like Krik and Threlkeld. The Goat-to-Hero performance of Carr. Manager Ervin Greiner winning the first of his six World Series with the two New York clubs. Yeah, it's been a long time. John

03-07-2005, 07:29 PM	#3968
THE GUT Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 120	Can't wait until next year. I'm rooting for the Browns. With Boris and the other top prospects they have, we should see some dominance by them in the mid-to-late 50's...though they'll probably be the Orioles before they have any chance at a crown.

03-07-2005, 07:32 PM	#3969
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	Let's all take a moment to reflect on the history of the Boston Braves. They're done for. 2 World Championships in 1911 and 1931. Maybe Vris could do a little report before they move to Milwaukee.

03-07-2005, 08:26 PM	#3972
BPS All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 717	Break up the Tigers!

03-07-2005, 11:32 PM	#3975
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Great job Tigers. You ran over us just like you ran over the AL.

03-08-2005, 05:30 AM	#3978
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	Alright, here's my annual report on the win shares. Here are our 1952 win share totals for hitters and pitchers. I'll give the top 5 defensive win shares at each position in the next post. As usual, if you want to know someone specific, just ask. Code: Position Players TEAM Win Shares 1) Kress DET 37.5 2) Helbig STL 35.7 3) Ormiston DET 32.7 4) Howard NYG 32.6 5) Rauch CHN 30.3 6) Habermehl PHA 30.2 7) Wing STL 29.9 8) H. Lee PHA 29.1 9) M. Lutske BOS 28.8 10) I. Walker PIT 28.6 Code: Pitchers TEAM Win Shares 1) Allen Jr. CHA 31.6 2) Liebermann CHN 31.0 3) Simson PIT 30.7 4) Stell DET 26.4 5) Ulrich DET 25.4 6) Sisk NYG 23.9 7) Andrew DET 21.4 8) J. Lutske BOS 21.1 9) Gardner NYG 21.0 10) Lustgarten CHN 21.0 It is clear that Roadhouse was maybe the least deserving MVP winner of all time. With 20.8 WS for the year, he ranks 15th in the National League in win shares. I'm unable to check all the years, but this is easily the lowest ranking player I've seen win the MVP award. Apparently that .310 OBP doesn't matter to the voters. Last edited by DamnYankees; 03-08-2005 at 05:31 AM.