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crackpott · 11-16-2003, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by IatricSB
star ratings can go up or down with scouts off. Gold stars increase if the ratings go up and Blue stars go up if the talent changes. I wouldn't be surprised if I saw an increase in Gold Stars although 2 to 3 is a big jump without being 2 1/2 inbetween. As for Blue stars, you'd have to see development history of talents going up to see an increase there.

That was my point - They can go up or down with ratings or talent changes, so something must have changed. With scouts on, then they can fluxuate when switching teams without the player changing at all.

Skipaway · 11-16-2003, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
Who ever said that those ratings were totally useless?

Guys, if you followed Mfitterer1 around in the other forum, you'd get a better picture.

He didn't know how W is awarded.

He got no idea of how free agency works.

He had no clue on pitcher evaluation.

A must read? this one actually contradict what he just said here.

It's not hard to tell Mfitterer1 is clueless most of the time. Yet he tried so hard to post something and wanted to be helpful.

Come to think about it, I do think there is a possibility that he did not cheat, he's just incompetent but didn't want to admit it.

marc · 11-16-2003, 10:09 PM

Well after hours and maybe even days of thought, I've come to the conclusion that mfitterer1 is a cheater......

mfitterer1 · 11-17-2003, 12:24 AM

First of all I would like to announce that you guys are plain wrong

mfitterer1 · 11-17-2003, 12:26 AM

Now that you know that you were wrong, there is a very simple explanation of why ruan was bumped.

We had scouts set to off in the league, yet they are still scouting and helping or hurting the individual teams, I stated this to several owners. So when Ruan was traded to me he didnt get a bump he was just read differently by the scouting. There were several players in the league that this happened to, and Lo Duca was not bumped either, he just was read differently.

I just found out from a fellow commish in the league and another commish in another one of my leagues that when you have scouts taken off you have to erase their contracts and everything or else it will still be viewed as they are your coaches and scouts. I just did this this last sim, and that is probably the difference that he is seeing.

blueturf · 11-17-2003, 12:29 AM

After countless hours of entertainment reading and lurking in these threads, one question has still not been cleared up for me.

If I understand the explanation correctly, your MLB2 league was 'accidently' changed to manager mode and you did not realize this for many sims.

You didn't see the commish password prompt because you were not importing lineups. This leads me to believe that you were manually entering lineups for those GM's that did not own a copy of OOTP.

If this is correct how did you make lineup changes for more than one team while in Manager Mode? My experience with Manager Mode only allows changes to the team I am in control of. Even 'accidently' converting an existing league with many human owners to Manager Mode would result in all but one team becoming computer controlled. Not to mention the computer would give a prompt for what team you would like to sign a manager contract with.

mfitterer1 · 11-17-2003, 12:34 AM

Dude, it wasnt accidentaly changed to manager mode, I wanted to try manager mode out, but accidentaly started one from the current point of the season from my sim league. And I simmed a long period of time at once, this was all in between sims, I then went back to try and sim and I said "oh ****" when i realized what I did. The game was all the way in July from the manager mode.

gpm22 · 11-17-2003, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
We had scouts set to off in the league, yet they are still scouting and helping or hurting the individual teams, I stated this to several owners. So when Ruan was traded to me he didnt get a bump he was just read differently by the scouting. There were several players in the league that this happened to, and Lo Duca was not bumped either, he just was read differently.

A couple things...
(1) With scouts off, the ratings are consistent. Players don't get viewed differently. They are viewed by an average scout.
(2) Scouts do not view range differently, therefore Lo Duca's fielding would not have changed.

If you were using scouts it would be a different story, but as you have said that you aren't, I see this as blatant cheating. Just come clean. You are losing credibility with every post.

gpm22 · 11-17-2003, 01:31 AM

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Originally posted by BigSmithinIt
Guys he has a point about the scouts problem, it is kind of a bug that comes with the game. Kinda stupid in my opinion that you have to delete all of the coaches and scout contracts to get the coaches and scouts fully turned off. Fitterer, I will try and talk to illnino and tell him what happened if you cant get through to him. I will try and clear him up on the matter.

This post does nothing as you should have just contacted him privately. That and the fact that you just registered makes it look like an attempt to get support.

BigSmithinIt = mfitterer1

gpm22 · 11-17-2003, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
Dude, it wasnt accidentaly changed to manager mode, I wanted to try manager mode out, but accidentaly started one from the current point of the season from my sim league. And I simmed a long period of time at once, this was all in between sims, I then went back to try and sim and I said "oh ****" when i realized what I did. The game was all the way in July from the manager mode.

This seems pretty ridiculous. I don't see how you could have a league with so little activity from the start that you would not get a single lineup change or transaction.

mfitterer1 · 11-17-2003, 01:33 AM

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A couple things... (1) With scouts off, the ratings are consistent. Players don't get viewed differently. They are viewed by an average scout. (2) Scouts do not view range differently, therefore Lo Duca's fielding would not have changed. If you were using scouts it would be a different story, but as you have said that you aren't, I see this as blatant cheating. Just come clean. You are losing credibility with every post.

Thats where you are wrong my friend, while scouts are viewed as being turned off, you view a players ratings as average scout, but your players develop differently depending on your scouts, basically what happened once i realized this was that I adjusted all of the big players and spects who got ratings drops after we turned off scouts and coaches to counter this, thats where lo ducas range came into play.

marc · 11-17-2003, 01:34 AM

gpm22 · 11-17-2003, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
...thats where lo ducas range came into play.

Scouts don't have different views of range, speed, etc. The only thing that they view is talent and ratings.

mfitterer1 · 11-17-2003, 01:36 AM

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This seems pretty ridiculous. I don't see how you could have a league with so little activity from the start that you would not get a single lineup change or transaction.

Dude the league was very actice, this WAS IN BETWEEN sims, meanign that i had just simmed and was playing ootp and tried manager mode, lol, you try to find problems with everything, and if you want to talk to BigSmithinIt go ahead and ask me for him aim sn

mfitterer1 · 11-17-2003, 01:37 AM

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Scouts don't have different views of range, speed, etc. The only thing that they view is talent and ratings.

Scouts effect how a player develops or stunts, lo duca stunted and was put back to his original range. Look at player development and you will see that.

gpm22 · 11-17-2003, 01:47 AM

I don't think we are ever going to get the truth. I've dealt with a commissioner editting ratings first hand. It is much like this case and I don't think it is just a coincidence that problems continue to arise for you. I got the same type of response from him as I am getting from you. Although there are bugs in the game, something else is clearly going on. I'm nt sure how you can pull the wool over the eyes of your owners (not sure how many are actually real), but I feel bad for them. I find leagues that continue to restart quite annoying and a waste of time.

mfitterer1 · 11-17-2003, 01:50 AM

first of all there is nothing going on but a good sim league, second this league has never been restarted.

Hammer755 · 11-17-2003, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
Scouts effect how a player develops or stunts, lo duca stunted and was put back to his original range. Look at player development and you will see that.

You probably mean that coaches, not scouts, effect a player's development, but not when you turn off coaches and scouts. Players develop, they either get better or worse, even when coaches and scouts are turned off. For you to edit LoDuca's range just because you (incorrectly) felt it was due to coaches is flat out cheating, regardless of whether you intended to do so or not.

mfitterer1 · 11-17-2003, 02:15 AM

It does effect your players development until the contracts are deleted.

And second of all it wouldnt be cheatign because I am right, and why the damn guy isnt even on my team, lol. You guys some times man.

MTXperience · 11-17-2003, 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
It does effect your players development until the contracts are deleted.

I for one have never heard of this. Anyone else?

11-16-2003, 10:09 PM	#363
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Well after hours and maybe even days of thought, I've come to the conclusion that mfitterer1 is a cheater...... __________________

11-17-2003, 01:34 AM	#372
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11-17-2003, 12:24 AM	#364
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	First of all I would like to announce that you guys are plain wrong

11-17-2003, 12:26 AM	#365
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	Now that you know that you were wrong, there is a very simple explanation of why ruan was bumped. We had scouts set to off in the league, yet they are still scouting and helping or hurting the individual teams, I stated this to several owners. So when Ruan was traded to me he didnt get a bump he was just read differently by the scouting. There were several players in the league that this happened to, and Lo Duca was not bumped either, he just was read differently. I just found out from a fellow commish in the league and another commish in another one of my leagues that when you have scouts taken off you have to erase their contracts and everything or else it will still be viewed as they are your coaches and scouts. I just did this this last sim, and that is probably the difference that he is seeing.

11-17-2003, 12:29 AM	#366
blueturf All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 516	After countless hours of entertainment reading and lurking in these threads, one question has still not been cleared up for me. If I understand the explanation correctly, your MLB2 league was 'accidently' changed to manager mode and you did not realize this for many sims. You didn't see the commish password prompt because you were not importing lineups. This leads me to believe that you were manually entering lineups for those GM's that did not own a copy of OOTP. If this is correct how did you make lineup changes for more than one team while in Manager Mode? My experience with Manager Mode only allows changes to the team I am in control of. Even 'accidently' converting an existing league with many human owners to Manager Mode would result in all but one team becoming computer controlled. Not to mention the computer would give a prompt for what team you would like to sign a manager contract with.

11-17-2003, 12:34 AM	#367
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	Dude, it wasnt accidentaly changed to manager mode, I wanted to try manager mode out, but accidentaly started one from the current point of the season from my sim league. And I simmed a long period of time at once, this was all in between sims, I then went back to try and sim and I said "oh ****" when i realized what I did. The game was all the way in July from the manager mode.

11-17-2003, 01:47 AM	#376
gpm22 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 513	I don't think we are ever going to get the truth. I've dealt with a commissioner editting ratings first hand. It is much like this case and I don't think it is just a coincidence that problems continue to arise for you. I got the same type of response from him as I am getting from you. Although there are bugs in the game, something else is clearly going on. I'm nt sure how you can pull the wool over the eyes of your owners (not sure how many are actually real), but I feel bad for them. I find leagues that continue to restart quite annoying and a waste of time.

11-17-2003, 01:50 AM	#377
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	first of all there is nothing going on but a good sim league, second this league has never been restarted.

11-17-2003, 02:15 AM	#379
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	It does effect your players development until the contracts are deleted. And second of all it wouldnt be cheatign because I am right, and why the damn guy isnt even on my team, lol. You guys some times man.