Time Warp Baseball

[rudel.dietrich]

Don't forget to show everyone this years prospects.

[pat]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Don't forget to show everyone this years prospects.

Yep, Matt will never forget that one. You have an ancestor debuting?

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by pat

Yep, Matt will never forget that one. You have an ancestor debuting?

Yep. I made my RL cousin a fireball SP.
His cousin in the game is the CF for the Indians.

[DamnYankees]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Yep. I made my RL cousin a fireball SP.
His cousin in the game is the CF for the Indians.

Wow, you've gotten lucky with your ancestors. Both have quite the talent ratings. Lucky.

[m0ng00se]

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

1951 Postseason
AL BOY: Ray Kress, DET, .341, 44 HR, 127 RBI - He came within 3 RBI of winning consecutive Triple Crowns!!

Gold Gloves
1951 American League Winners - Shortstop: David Castaneda, DET

1951 National League Winners - Pitcher: Bryce Ostrander, BKN

I'm pretty happy about these.

[ifspuds]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

Wow, you've gotten lucky with your ancestors. Both have quite the talent ratings. Lucky.

Matt's said a few times that the fewer ancestors you have, the more likely they're going to have great talent ratings. So I don't know that it's entirely luck.

[Matt from TN]

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Don't forget to show everyone this years prospects.

I wait til after the draft so I can say what team they're on and talk about their chances on that team.


One other thing. I made a mistake earlier by saying Pond won NL POY. It was actually Ingram. I'll edit it.

[Matt from TN]

OK... a lot of catobase has been updated.

1st a disclaimer: no stats from 1901-21 or 1931 are correct. If you see any players in those years, they are fictional & will be deleted. Ignore them.

That being said, if you look at the overall W/L records of every team, those are correct. All year by year team W/L records are correct.

Player & Manager pages have not yet been updated for 1951.

But you should be able to find all team info for 1922-51 (minus '31).

Enjoy!


EDIT: I forgot to upload the league pages for 1922-51 (minus '31). They're uploading now.

[metsgeek]

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

When I wrote that, I thought of you.

HA!

[DamnYankees]

Haha, I couldn't help but laugh at scprideandms new ancestor. The guy's first name is Vodka, yet he still needs a nickname? Vodka "Smirnoff" Allen. Gotta love it.

[fhomess]

Despite the fact the Pirates have the longest drought, they've gone to 4 World Series. The Tigers and Reds have only been to 2, so in some respects, I feel sorrier for them. We Indians have finished dead last 11 times, including 5 times in the 1920's. That was a rough stretch!

As for Valcarcel, I've decided it's best not to express my excitement each time he wins a GG.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

The real question is how the hell Shnawbutt won that many. His 3-6-6 ratings are rather underwhelming. Can you think of anyone who has had this much success with such poor ratings?

Hal Lepre, last year

[canadiancreed]

[QUOTE=Matt from TN]
NL Saves: Robert Datoli, CIN, 24 <--comeback player of the year winner right here!

CHA - 192 K's (Pitcher), Gene Masarech (185, Andrew Murphy, 1916) <--did he finally learn some control?

1951 National League Winners

Catcher: Chuck Rauch, CHN <--shoudl have been Betters
First Base: Ted McMurray, CIN
Second Base: Maurice Goza, CIN
Third Base: Nick Pursell, NYG <--darn injuries denying Jones three straight
Shortstop: Edwin Keesaer, CIN

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by fhomess

Despite the fact the Pirates have the longest drought, they've gone to 4 World Series. The Tigers and Reds have only been to 2, so in some respects, I feel sorrier for them. We Indians have finished dead last 11 times, including 5 times in the 1920's. That was a rough stretch!

As for Valcarcel, I've decided it's best not to express my excitement each time he wins a GG.

Aww thanks I'm feeling the love, I really do

*goes back to plans for the 1952 WS parade in Cincy *

[bigjas]

Nope Creed. Masarech also walked 187 batters, 2 shy of Raymond Gindler Jr's 189 walks back in 1924.

[Matt from TN]

Key Retirees:


Jimmy "The Scnozz" Ditty, (Ancestor)
New York Yankees, 1930-41, 1946-51



Jimmy was the last remnant of the Yankees dynasty that dominated the AL from 1934-40. Over that period of time, Jimmy played in 6 World Series with New York and won 5 of them. At that time, much was written about the outfield logjam that included four eventual HOF candidates - Moonlight Graham, Allen March, Ping Hung and Ditty. World War II devastated this dynasty, and the first hit the team took was when Jimmy enlisted after the 1941 season. At age 29, Ditty would go on to miss 4 seasons during his prime. Yet he still returned and hit 301 career homeruns (9th All-Time), along with a .307 lifetime average, 2315 hits, 372 doubles, 1348 RBI, 1183 runs, 837 walks and a .865 OPS. Ditty was also a 10-time all star, won the 1938 AL BOY and three Gold Gloves - 2 in CF and 1 in RF.


Other Notable Retirees:

Bill Berry, LF Ancestor
Indians 1931-42, 1946-51

.307, 2404 H, 388 2B, 168 HR, 1190 RBI, 1133 R, 727 BB, 114 SB, .807 OPS

Berry also joined the military at age 29 and would miss 3 years of his prime in the war. He was a key leader for the Indians, and he was instrumental in their 1942 World Championship. Cleveland was also then decimated by wartime losses after that season. He was a 7-time all star and he won 2 Gold Gloves.


Billy Crowell, P
Indians 1938-42, 1946-48
Tigers 1948-50
Athletics 1950-51

200-172, 23 Sv, 3.63 ERA, 1055 BB, 924 K, 252 CG, 20 SHO, 1.37 WHIP

Crowell came up as a 26-year-old rookie in 1938 and won 16 games. A year later, he won 20. He then went on to post three straight 18-win seasons before being drafted after Cleveland's 1942 World Championship season. He came back strong from his time in service, and after being traded to Detroit in April of 1948, he won 25 games as the Tigers won the AL pennant. After moving on to the Athletics, he would become their closer and in 1951, his final season, he won 10 games and saved 19 more as he and the A's won the franchise's first World Series in 45 years.


James "Sloppy" Mosich, P
Senators 1934, 1949-51
Phillies 1938-39
Red Sox 1942-48

142-94, 3.72 ERA, 519 BB, 796 K, 143 CG, 18 SHO, 1.30 WHIP

After struggling early in his career, Sloppy wound up in Boston where he would have six very strong seasons from 1943-48. He made a name for himself during the war and the Red Sox won 3 straight pennants and 2 World Championships. He won 22 games in 1945, and he sustained his performance even after the players returned from the war, winning 20 in 1946 and 26 in 1947. He threw a no-hitter in 1943 and was the 1947 AL POY.


Dan Troge, 1B
Cubs 1935, 1936-41, 1945-51
Senators 1935

.296, 1431 H, 234 2B, 196 HR, 863 RBI, 616 R, .791 OPS

Troge's career had a bizarre beginning. He was traded to the Senators in 1939 and posted 10 homeruns in 390 AB as a rookie. The Senators then allowed him to go back to Chicago on waivers the next season, because they had Carl Kahle and Keith Laverick who could both play 1B. Washington went on to win the World Series in 1937, and Troge returned to Chicago where he had to play behind a Chicago legend, Cookie Parrish. When Parrish was injured in April of 1937, Troge took over and clubbed 31 homeruns in his first full season. Parrish was later diagnosed with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and the first base job was Troge's alone. In 1941, after a strong opening month (.328, 4 HR, .924 OPS), Troge left for the military and did not return until July of 1945. He was still a powerful hitter, but his skills had eroded some in the 4+ years he was gone. After 1946, he never again claimed a full-time job at 1B. After the 1952 season and at the age of 39, Troge returned to the Army to serve in the Korean War.



Other Retiring Ancestors:

Walt Gustafson, P
Red Sox 1933-42
Athletics 1942-43, 1945-51

99-100, 4.92 ERA, 977 BB, 855 K, 92 CG, 10 SHO, 1.54 WHIP


John Ryan, IF
Reds 1935-37
Indians 1937-41, 1943-44

.249, 294 H, 58 2B, 13 3B, 14 HR, 170 RBI, 120 R, 122 BB, 21 SB, .696 OPS


Marty Davie, P
Reds 1943

1-0, 1 Sv, 3.86 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 14 IP

[canadiancreed]

John Ryan, IF
Reds 1935-37
Indians 1937-41, 1943-44

.249, 294 H, 58 2B, 13 3B, 14 HR, 170 RBI, 120 R, 122 BB, 21 SB, .696 OPS

The 1st rounder that never panned out, because of being rushed IMO. At least we got Peter Overton from the Indians for him, who we'd them make the bonehead move (in hindsight) of trading Overton and Sam Cole for Laverick in the 1945 pennant drive. Still a very sad end to a former 1st rounded.

Marty Davie, P
Reds 1943

Davie's claim to fame is that he was part of the deal that sent aging star Brett Smith to the Browns for himself, Payton Arana, and Skeeter. Skeeter woudl turn into one of the premier 2B's in the league, but Davie woudl never be the same after the war. A combination of not being able to win consistently above the AA level and the amazingly deep staffs of the Reds forced him out of a job in 1949. Unlike others who were casted off by the Reds (Lacavita, Killgour, Kent, Belcher), he woudl never find work after that. A sad end to another 1st rounder.
1-0, 1 Sv, 3.86, 1.36, 14 IP

[Matt from TN]

Ancestors Added in 1952:

Jack Caufield, RF, Brooklyn Dodgers



Many considered Caufield to be the top amateur hitter available. He has all the tools to be a great major league player some day. He hits for high average, has 30 HR power, a good batting eye, solid defense and decent speed. He is young and still needs several years to develop. Depending on just how quickly that happens, he could form an excellent OF someday with Bob Ferry and Mark Silcox.


Lukas Dietrich, SP, St. Louis Browns



Several scouts knocked this European export because he had only average control. However, his stuff is so nasty that even at age 18, some other scouts are raving that his is the best pure stuff they've ever seen. He throws a very hard fastball and mixes in three difficult breaking pitches. Again, his only real weakness is his lack of ability to command the strikezone. He will walk his share of batters and leave more balls over the heart of the plate than any pitching coach would like, but then, there's still that amazing natural stuff of his. His will certainly be a career worth following to see how it all pans out. The Browns are deep in the AL cellar, so he should not feel rushed to the majors.


Bob Netsky, SP, Philadelphia Phillies



There are a lot of baseball people out there that think the Phillies got the real amateur gem with Netsky. He has three nasty pitches highlighted by a hard 12-to-6 curve. He also has good command. He will probably start his career at Single-A Reidsville, but a promotion to AA Schenectady is very likely to happen. He is a pitcher who may have the talent to be rushed to the majors in 2-3 years.


Cornelius Grant, P, New York Yankees



"Sockless" is another hard-throwing stud pitcher. He too has three nasty pitches, but unlike either Netsky or Dietrich, Grant gives up much fewer homeruns. He will team up with Mitch Seevers as a tough 1-2 punch in the Single-A Dainville rotation.


Vodka Allen, CF, Pittsburgh Pirates



Every team out there was drooling over the HR potential this kid has displayed. However, most of those teams were equally frightened by his lack of contact. The Pirates decided to take a shot on him. In their mind, he could be a .200 hitter with 30 HR (a la Denny Caneer or Joe Rodabaugh) or he could develop into a .250-.270 hitter and someday challenge the 500 HR mark. That's how much power they think this kid has. There is no need to rush him, and Pittsburgh wants to be very careful here, doing all they can to help him improve his contact along the way.


Oliver Sharkey, 1B, Chicago White Sox



The White Sox now have a trio of first baseman at Single-A Stockton. Despite a .239 average last season, Champagne Allen will probably be promoted to AA. Sharkey can also play 3B, but he didn't get the nickname "Ollie Oops" for nothing. He is error prone to say the least. However, he projects as a quality major league hitter.


Billy Wickersham, SP, Washington Senators



The eldest son of recently inducted HOF'er David Wickersham, who fathered 12 children by the way, Billy will begin his career with Single-A Orlando. Washington continues to work on building up a deep farm system, and pitching is slowly becoming a strength.


Simon Caufield, SP, Chicago Cubs



Twin brother of new Brooklyn outfielder Jack Caufield, Simon has above average stuff and control, but he has an uncanny knack at keeping any hard-hit ball inside the park. That should help him once he debuts at Wrigley. That day is still a ways off though, and he will start his career at Single-A Greensboro.


David Lawrence, 3B, Boston Red Sox



Lawrence will join a jam-packed San Jose infield, but he has the most talent of them all. He is a good all-around hitter, but his strength is his doubles power. That could come in hand in Fenway. The Sox hope he develops soon, as they are already looking for better options at 3B.


Abraham Arsenault, RF, St. Louis Cardinals



Arsenault could develop into a solid major leaguer someday. He has good power and plate discipline, but he occaisionally stuggles to make contact. He has only average range defensively, but he is still an excellent fielder in RF. The Cardinals outfield is loaded with Ogden Wing, Otto Wisley and Barry Rarick. So, there should be no rush to get Arsenault to the majors.


Mike Kreitenberg, 2B, Detroit Tigers



Kreitenberg is an excellent hitter, who could average .330 someday in the majors. The problem is that Detroit has a young and talented infield already with Matt Perly at 2B, Dave Castaneda at SS and Luther Ormiston at 3B. However, if you combine Kreitenberg's ability to make contact with his good eye and his great speed and baserunning, this is a kid that Detoit will desperately want to fit into their lineup someday soon. He could provide an offensive spark at the top of their lineup that they have never had. And oh the number of runs he could score ahead of Kress, Ormiston, Perly, Fish and Meacham.


Lawrence Burley, SP, Philadelphia A's



The A's deep pitching pool has been well documented. Burley joins that pool at Single-A Fayetteville. He currently projects only as a 3rd or 4th starter, and with the talent and youth of Philly's current staff, he is on the outside looking in. He will either come up as a reliever someday or be traded somehwere he can start.


Joe Kreitenberg, C, Philadelphia Phillies



Brother of Detroit 2B Mike and Cincinnati 3B Sam, Joe Kreitenberg enters the Phillies system already as the top catcher available. It is even possible that the 22-year old native of Czechoslovakia could reach the majors as a backup this season. He has a good arm and projects to have 20 HR power.


John Kahle, 1B, Chicago White Sox



Right now, Kahle is the 3rd wheel in the White Sox Single-A 1B trio. As stated before, Champagne Allen will likely move to AA, but that begs the question of where Kahle and Ollie Sharkey will play. Despite his error-prone glove, Sharkey will probably be forced into duty at 3B, leaving 1B for Kahle. "Jock" makes above average contact and has 15-20 HR power. He is a solid player, but right now the Sox don't expect more from him than a future role off the bench. Or he could be dangled in a trade.

[fhomess]

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Key Retirees:
Bill Berry, LF Ancestor
Indians 1931-42, 1946-51

Berry was the main guy for the Indians when I discovered I'd be taking them over when we went live. He's been a favorite of mine ever since, and his last All-Star appearance was, IMO, pretty impressive considering his ratings at the time.

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Billy Crowell, P
Indians 1938-42, 1946-48
Tigers 1948-50
Athletics 1950-51

Still waiting for the Crowell/Rorabeck trade to pan out. Rorabeck lost some contact and eye talent shortly after the trade, and hasn't had a ratings increase in ages. He's also lost some LF/RF range and I've since taught him CF. I suspect he'll still become a useful major leaguer, but I was hoping for a little more out of him when I got him. Crowell was great for us and even better when he had an offense behind him.

[canadiancreed]

What's Leon Conley in the draft list?