Time Warp Baseball - Page 181

Carlton · 02-04-2005, 04:44 PM

Blake Crocitto...the Hitman is now 12th on the all time list with 3255 hits...he may not reach Sal Rossi...but he should finish the year as #10...Blake also hit his 500th double

Jonathan Wright...the White Rhino is now 20th on the 2bs list and there is a good chance he should pass Phillies coach and Future HOFer "Sunny" Davie by years end to be tied for 15th

Pokey Dorsey is not a HOFer by any stretch...but at 40 he has been playing decent.
He is 11th active with 1626 hits
14th Active with 809 RBI
4th Active with 391 2bs
2nd Active with 145 3bs
8th Active with 202 sbs
8th Active with 948 runs
7th Active with 782 walks

Nice all around player

tward13 · 02-04-2005, 05:28 PM

Wonder if Crocitto has another full season in him? He could make a nice jump up the list.

jdw · 02-04-2005, 08:18 PM

> Blake Crocitto...the Hitman is now 12th
> on the all time list with 3255 hits...he
> may not reach Sal Rossi...but he should
> finish the year as #10...Blake also hit his
> 500th double

Looks like he was pulled from the starting lineup in the second half of the month, instead coming off the bench for some spot starts, some PH, and some replacing of Alexander mid-game. He responded to this *strongly*, playing his best ball of the season. 8/19 with an HR and 7 RBI, .421/.522/.579.

He might just hang onto the #2 BA of all-time, though Haymaker is breathing down his neck.

> Jonathan Wright...the White Rhino is now
> 20th on the 2bs list and there is a good
> chance he should pass Phillies coach
> and Future HOFer "Sunny" Davie by
> years end to be tied for 15th

2749 hits for his career. He is declining, but if he hangs on this season at this level, he should go into next with about 2820-2830 hits. He has a shot at 3,000, even with three seasons missed to the war.

> Pokey Dorsey is not a HOFer by any
> stretch...but at 40 he has been
> playing decent.
>
> Nice all around player

He didn't miss any time due to the war, but he didn't get a regular job for a full season until he was 28 after being traded from the Braves to the Red Sox. The coming out of the war, he was forced into a UT spot for the Red Sox behind Goza. Then being disappointing for the Phils in 1948 after the trade. Then as part of the Great 1949 Phillies, while still a fine player he was part of the Team Phils mentality where lots of players were sharing time and moving around the IF. It did help the team have amazing depth, but probably cost him a 7th Gold Glove at 2B.

Most amazingly about Pokey:

7 - full seasons at 2B
6 - Gold Gloves

Only in 1944 when Sean Carlin of the Indians won the award did Pokey lose a Gold Glove that he had enough playing time to compete for.

I'm not sure he was as good of a fielder as Woody Woodson, the best fielding (as well as hitting) 2B of all-time. But it's fair to say that he ranks with Stines as no worse than the second best fielding 2B of all-time.

As far as the HOF, he probably isn't one. But those career averages - .285/.370/.451/.822 - are well within HOF numbers for someone with a glove *that* great. Playing time did him in as much as anything:

* Drafted in 1929 by the Cards, possibly catching someone's eye as the possible successor to the Woodson-Stines Golden Tradition in STL.

* having his heart broken by being traded away to the Senators on 6/16/1929.

* being traded to the Braves on 5/5/1931.

* never getting above A ball until 1933, despite hitting .320+ and slugging .440+ *every year*.

* rotting in the Braves system through 1936, before rotting on their MLB bench in 1937 (looks possibly like a Void player).

* finally getting a chance to play fulltime after the 7/13/1938 trade across town, and almost overnight blossoming into a star player.

* running into Post War Red Sox Management's desire to roll out the younger Goza.

* having an "off season" in 1948 after the trade.

Despite the long and winding road, it was a wonderful run. 5 pennants. Four World Championships. He didn't shine for the Phils in his last two trips to the World Series, but he was a terrific peformer for the Red Sox.

Really a nice career. I'd take that over what befell Doc any day.

John

DamnYankees · 02-04-2005, 08:23 PM

jdw, I think you cursed Morris. The moment we start talking about his place in history, eh falls off the face of the earth. He was hitting .365 when we talked about it, now he's down to .320! GAHH!! He better get that bump back up to 9 contact.

Ben Lutske just makes no sense. His playing is defying his ratings, but his numbers are just weird. He plays every day, but has so few hits and at bats, its frustrating. Maybe I'm just so used to the large numbers Morris puts up that Ben's can't compare.

jdw · 02-05-2005, 06:00 PM

> Ben Lutske just makes no sense. His
> playing is defying his ratings, but his
> numbers are just weird. He plays every
> day, but has so few hits and at bats, its
> frustrating.

His numbers aren't weird.

He was hitting down in the line-up, like in 7th or so. He's now moved up, seemingly in the last SIM as Doc was moved out of the top of the order.

In addition, he also gets either a little more rest than other starters. It looks like Buck Tomlinson spots starts for him a decent amount.

> Maybe I'm just so used to the
> large numbers Morris puts up
> that Ben's can't compare.

Yep. Morris and Ben aren't comperable. Though as been gets older and his Power kicks in, he should be very good. I think he's a bit over his head this year, but 6/8/6/4 Talent is someone who should hit in Wrigley for a decent average and some HR & 2B power. He was out of his head in May (.376/.434/.667 with 9 2B and 6 HR).

John

ifspuds · 02-07-2005, 04:03 PM

Did someone kill the TWB site again, or is it just me? I can't get it to come up, and I think that pesky creed might have claimed one of my players off waivers.

canadiancreed · 02-07-2005, 04:08 PM

pesky? that's a new one.

as for the site, it's working fine on my end, which is saying something

as for waivers, I havent claimed anyone.....yet

Matt from TN · 02-07-2005, 07:33 PM

If you want to see the AS game live, go here: http://southernbaseball.com/export/league/game5000.html

DamnYankees · 02-07-2005, 07:37 PM

This is cool. Do I just have to keep refreshing the page?

canadiancreed · 02-07-2005, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

This is cool. Do I just have to keep refreshing the page?

it automatically refreshes after a certain amoutn of time

m0ng00se · 02-07-2005, 08:10 PM

That broadcast was too cool.

Too bad Kress didn't get any help on offense for the AL. I really thought it was going to be a higher scoring game than that. Congrats to the NL pitchers. To dominate like that in Tigers stadium is a nice accomplishment.

Matt from TN · 02-07-2005, 08:36 PM

Tiger fans enjoyed the game, I'm sure. Kress had a great game. Perly got in late. And Boe and Moore played for the NL.

DamnYankees · 02-07-2005, 08:39 PM

Hey Matt, how long do you think till the new server is up and running? I want to donate, and tried today on paypal, but my account is screwed up. Hopefully I can gtive a little tomorrow when I have some time to fix the problems. Can't wait for almanacs and CatoBase.

PS: Do you have to be a GM to get an email account?

m0ng00se · 02-07-2005, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Tiger fans enjoyed the game, I'm sure. Kress had a great game. Perly got in late. And Boe and Moore played for the NL.

Yup, was cheering on Kress. Perly was part of that nice double play and Hal Andrew pitched a quality inning. Was fun to see the all the Tigers and ex-Tigers. I saw Boe and Silcox, but missed Moore. Anyway, that live broadcast was very cool. Too bad a meeting caused me to miss the first half. Darn work always getting in the way of my OOTP time. LOL

Thanks Matt.

Matt from TN · 02-07-2005, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

Hey Matt, how long do you think till the new server is up and running? I want to donate, and tried today on paypal, but my account is screwed up. Hopefully I can gtive a little tomorrow when I have some time to fix the problems. Can't wait for almanacs and CatoBase.

PS: Do you have to be a GM to get an email account?

Catobase is done for the yrs I have, although some error is crashing it before it generates team pages, leaderboards etc. The managers & players are created. JT's website kept telling me it was out of space, so I'll have to upload elsewhere I think.

As far as when the site will be upgraded, I'm not sure. Could be done anytime I guess. I asked them to tell me when our current plan expires & I never heard back. Will have to ask again.

And with 75 or so email acct's, I think we'll have a few to spare for loyal fans.

Carlton · 02-07-2005, 09:02 PM

I can't believe I missed the AS live broadcast!!!

I want to be the color commentator with jdw for the World Series

Imagine jdw throwing out stats, while I talk about their personal (made up) history

Matt from TN · 02-07-2005, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m0ng00se

Yup, was cheering on Kress. Perly was part of that nice double play and Hal Andrew pitched a quality inning. Was fun to see the all the Tigers and ex-Tigers. I saw Boe and Silcox, but missed Moore. Anyway, that live broadcast was very cool. Too bad a meeting caused me to miss the first half. Darn work always getting in the way of my OOTP time. LOL

Thanks Matt.

Oh yeah, and don't forget Crowell as another forner Tiger. But he didn't pitch.

Matt from TN · 02-07-2005, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlton

I can't believe I missed the AS live broadcast!!!

I want to be the color commentator with jdw for the World Series

Imagine jdw throwing out stats, while I talk about their personal (made up) history

Would be awesome actually. We'll have to work something out.

Right now the WS is scheduled for Tues 2/15... If the pennant races are over by 9/15 and I finish Sept on this Friday, we could do the WS Friday night or Saturday. We'll see.

Matt from TN · 02-07-2005, 09:20 PM

1951 All-Star Game
Tiger Stadium, Detroit

BOX SCORE

The NL started things right off in the 1st inning when Giants 3B Nick Pursell stroked a 1-out single off AL starter Ellis Weeks of the A's, then stole 2nd base, then moved to 3rd on a wild pitch and scored on a sac fly by new teammate Johnny Champagne. After that, pitching ruled the game. That is, until the top of the 7th. With Cleveland's Lex Tjeenk-Willink entering the game, Champagne struck out but Braves 1B Ken Chaucer walked. Cardinals outfielder Ogden Wing singled. Pinch runner William Perry moved to 3rd and Wing advanced to 2nd on the throw. Reliever Billy Hyberg of the Red Sox came in and walked Herman Dunkel. After Phillies 2B Joe Bardo flew out for out 2, the AL was close to getting out of the jam. Then Cardinals SS Mike Fellner stepped up and hit a Grand Slam in his first at-bat of the game.

That was all she wrote for the AL. And the NL pitchers combined for a 2-hit shutout... The first shutout in All-Star Game history.

Code:

            1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R  H E 
AL Allstars 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0    5  9 0 
NL Allstars 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0    0  2 0

WP: Grady Ingram, STL
LP: Ellis Weeks, PHA
MVP: Mike Fellner, STL (1-for-2, 1 GS, 4 RBI)

American League Starters:
C Hershel Lee, PHA
1B Bobby Johnson, BOS
2B Hans Habermehl, PHA*
3B Jim Dunkel, WSH*
SS Morris Lutske, BOS*
LF Ray Kress, DET
CF Cy Helbig, BOS
RF Delmar Yordy, WSH*
SP Ellis Weeks, PHA

Reserves:
SP Cotton Simson, SLA
SP Nippy Schnaubert, BOS
SP Bob Stevens, PHA*
SP Hal Andrew, DET
SP George Kauffman, CLE
SP Lex Tjeenk-Willink, CLE*
RP John Ashley, CLE
RP Billy Hyberg, BOS
RP Billy Crowell, PHA
C Em Pelto, BOS*
1B Chris Anderson, WSH
2B Matt Perly, DET*
3B Bud Ayers, PHA*
LF Al Jackson, CLE
CF Peaches Badeau, PHA
CF John Young, NYA

National League Starters:
C Herman Dunkel, STL*
1B Ken Chaucer, BSN
2B Joe Bardo, PHI
3B Nick Pursell, NYG
SS Moses Bottoms, PIT
LF Johnny Champagne, NYG
CF Artie Albrecht, NYG*
RF Ogden Wing, STL*
SP Grady Ingram, STL

Reserves:
SP Walter Pond, NYG
SP Randy Liebermann, CHN
SP Glenn Howell, BSN
SP Garland Sisk, NYG
SP Ron Fleischmann, PIT
SP Jack Boe, CIN
RP Rick Vaughn, CIN
RP Robert Datoli, CIN
RP Bob Rustia, BSN
C Bud Moore, BSN*
1B Junior Nunez, STL*
2B Maurice Goza, CIN
2B Mike Fellner, STL
RF William Perry, PIT*
RF James Lewis, PHI
RF Mark Silcox, BKN

* denotes ancestor

Next All-Star Game scheduled at Shibe Park, Philadelphia

With the recent large classes of ancestors developing, we're starting to see many more ancestors in the AS game. There were 15 this year (not counting Vaughn who was also created).

Also, black players are becoming a much bigger force in baseball. There were five black all-stars, including starters Ellis Weeks, Hershel Lee and pseudo-rookie Moses Bottoms.

canadiancreed · 02-07-2005, 09:32 PM

ok Rick Vaughn?of all the folks on my team that could be all stars, Rick Vaughn?

02-04-2005, 04:44 PM	#3601
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	Blake Crocitto...the Hitman is now 12th on the all time list with 3255 hits...he may not reach Sal Rossi...but he should finish the year as #10...Blake also hit his 500th double Jonathan Wright...the White Rhino is now 20th on the 2bs list and there is a good chance he should pass Phillies coach and Future HOFer "Sunny" Davie by years end to be tied for 15th Pokey Dorsey is not a HOFer by any stretch...but at 40 he has been playing decent. He is 11th active with 1626 hits 14th Active with 809 RBI 4th Active with 391 2bs 2nd Active with 145 3bs 8th Active with 202 sbs 8th Active with 948 runs 7th Active with 782 walks Nice all around player __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

02-07-2005, 04:03 PM	#3606
ifspuds Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 2,117	Did someone kill the TWB site again, or is it just me? I can't get it to come up, and I think that pesky creed might have claimed one of my players off waivers. __________________ Jeff Watson Former dynasty writer and online league player, now mostly retired

02-07-2005, 04:08 PM	#3607
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	pesky? that's a new one. as for the site, it's working fine on my end, which is saying something as for waivers, I havent claimed anyone.....yet __________________ PT21 PT22

02-07-2005, 07:33 PM	#3608
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	If you want to see the AS game live, go here: http://southernbaseball.com/export/league/game5000.html __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

02-07-2005, 08:10 PM	#3611
m0ng00se Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 383	That broadcast was too cool. Too bad Kress didn't get any help on offense for the AL. I really thought it was going to be a higher scoring game than that. Congrats to the NL pitchers. To dominate like that in Tigers stadium is a nice accomplishment. __________________ Michael AKA m0ng00se - Former TWB Detroit Tigers GM (1946-1964) Pennants: 1948, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1962, 1963, 1964 -- Titles: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1963

02-04-2005, 05:28 PM	#3602
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Wonder if Crocitto has another full season in him? He could make a nice jump up the list.

02-04-2005, 08:18 PM	#3603
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> Blake Crocitto...the Hitman is now 12th > on the all time list with 3255 hits...he > may not reach Sal Rossi...but he should > finish the year as #10...Blake also hit his > 500th double Looks like he was pulled from the starting lineup in the second half of the month, instead coming off the bench for some spot starts, some PH, and some replacing of Alexander mid-game. He responded to this strongly, playing his best ball of the season. 8/19 with an HR and 7 RBI, .421/.522/.579. He might just hang onto the #2 BA of all-time, though Haymaker is breathing down his neck. > Jonathan Wright...the White Rhino is now > 20th on the 2bs list and there is a good > chance he should pass Phillies coach > and Future HOFer "Sunny" Davie by > years end to be tied for 15th 2749 hits for his career. He is declining, but if he hangs on this season at this level, he should go into next with about 2820-2830 hits. He has a shot at 3,000, even with three seasons missed to the war. > Pokey Dorsey is not a HOFer by any > stretch...but at 40 he has been > playing decent. > > Nice all around player He didn't miss any time due to the war, but he didn't get a regular job for a full season until he was 28 after being traded from the Braves to the Red Sox. The coming out of the war, he was forced into a UT spot for the Red Sox behind Goza. Then being disappointing for the Phils in 1948 after the trade. Then as part of the Great 1949 Phillies, while still a fine player he was part of the Team Phils mentality where lots of players were sharing time and moving around the IF. It did help the team have amazing depth, but probably cost him a 7th Gold Glove at 2B. Most amazingly about Pokey: 7 - full seasons at 2B 6 - Gold Gloves Only in 1944 when Sean Carlin of the Indians won the award did Pokey lose a Gold Glove that he had enough playing time to compete for. I'm not sure he was as good of a fielder as Woody Woodson, the best fielding (as well as hitting) 2B of all-time. But it's fair to say that he ranks with Stines as no worse than the second best fielding 2B of all-time. As far as the HOF, he probably isn't one. But those career averages - .285/.370/.451/.822 - are well within HOF numbers for someone with a glove that great. Playing time did him in as much as anything: * Drafted in 1929 by the Cards, possibly catching someone's eye as the possible successor to the Woodson-Stines Golden Tradition in STL. * having his heart broken by being traded away to the Senators on 6/16/1929. * being traded to the Braves on 5/5/1931. * never getting above A ball until 1933, despite hitting .320+ and slugging .440+ every year. * rotting in the Braves system through 1936, before rotting on their MLB bench in 1937 (looks possibly like a Void player). * finally getting a chance to play fulltime after the 7/13/1938 trade across town, and almost overnight blossoming into a star player. * running into Post War Red Sox Management's desire to roll out the younger Goza. * having an "off season" in 1948 after the trade. Despite the long and winding road, it was a wonderful run. 5 pennants. Four World Championships. He didn't shine for the Phils in his last two trips to the World Series, but he was a terrific peformer for the Red Sox. Really a nice career. I'd take that over what befell Doc any day. John

02-04-2005, 08:23 PM	#3604
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	jdw, I think you cursed Morris. The moment we start talking about his place in history, eh falls off the face of the earth. He was hitting .365 when we talked about it, now he's down to .320! GAHH!! He better get that bump back up to 9 contact. Ben Lutske just makes no sense. His playing is defying his ratings, but his numbers are just weird. He plays every day, but has so few hits and at bats, its frustrating. Maybe I'm just so used to the large numbers Morris puts up that Ben's can't compare.

02-05-2005, 06:00 PM	#3605
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> Ben Lutske just makes no sense. His > playing is defying his ratings, but his > numbers are just weird. He plays every > day, but has so few hits and at bats, its > frustrating. His numbers aren't weird. He was hitting down in the line-up, like in 7th or so. He's now moved up, seemingly in the last SIM as Doc was moved out of the top of the order. In addition, he also gets either a little more rest than other starters. It looks like Buck Tomlinson spots starts for him a decent amount. > Maybe I'm just so used to the > large numbers Morris puts up > that Ben's can't compare. Yep. Morris and Ben aren't comperable. Though as been gets older and his Power kicks in, he should be very good. I think he's a bit over his head this year, but 6/8/6/4 Talent is someone who should hit in Wrigley for a decent average and some HR & 2B power. He was out of his head in May (.376/.434/.667 with 9 2B and 6 HR). John

02-07-2005, 07:37 PM	#3609
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	This is cool. Do I just have to keep refreshing the page?

02-07-2005, 08:36 PM	#3612
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Tiger fans enjoyed the game, I'm sure. Kress had a great game. Perly got in late. And Boe and Moore played for the NL. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

02-07-2005, 08:39 PM	#3613
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	Hey Matt, how long do you think till the new server is up and running? I want to donate, and tried today on paypal, but my account is screwed up. Hopefully I can gtive a little tomorrow when I have some time to fix the problems. Can't wait for almanacs and CatoBase. PS: Do you have to be a GM to get an email account?

02-07-2005, 09:02 PM	#3616
Carlton Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,765	I can't believe I missed the AS live broadcast!!! I want to be the color commentator with jdw for the World Series Imagine jdw throwing out stats, while I talk about their personal (made up) history __________________ "I am at that stage of my life where I keep myself out of arguments. I am 100% self sufficient spiritually, emotionally & financially. Even if you say 1+1=5, you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Enjoy!"

02-07-2005, 09:20 PM	#3619
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1951 All-Star Game Tiger Stadium, Detroit BOX SCORE The NL started things right off in the 1st inning when Giants 3B Nick Pursell stroked a 1-out single off AL starter Ellis Weeks of the A's, then stole 2nd base, then moved to 3rd on a wild pitch and scored on a sac fly by new teammate Johnny Champagne. After that, pitching ruled the game. That is, until the top of the 7th. With Cleveland's Lex Tjeenk-Willink entering the game, Champagne struck out but Braves 1B Ken Chaucer walked. Cardinals outfielder Ogden Wing singled. Pinch runner William Perry moved to 3rd and Wing advanced to 2nd on the throw. Reliever Billy Hyberg of the Red Sox came in and walked Herman Dunkel. After Phillies 2B Joe Bardo flew out for out 2, the AL was close to getting out of the jam. Then Cardinals SS Mike Fellner stepped up and hit a Grand Slam in his first at-bat of the game. That was all she wrote for the AL. And the NL pitchers combined for a 2-hit shutout... The first shutout in All-Star Game history. Code: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E AL Allstars 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 5 9 0 NL Allstars 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 WP: Grady Ingram, STL LP: Ellis Weeks, PHA MVP: Mike Fellner, STL (1-for-2, 1 GS, 4 RBI) American League Starters: C Hershel Lee, PHA 1B Bobby Johnson, BOS 2B Hans Habermehl, PHA* 3B Jim Dunkel, WSH* SS Morris Lutske, BOS* LF Ray Kress, DET CF Cy Helbig, BOS RF Delmar Yordy, WSH* SP Ellis Weeks, PHA Reserves: SP Cotton Simson, SLA SP Nippy Schnaubert, BOS SP Bob Stevens, PHA* SP Hal Andrew, DET SP George Kauffman, CLE SP Lex Tjeenk-Willink, CLE* RP John Ashley, CLE RP Billy Hyberg, BOS RP Billy Crowell, PHA C Em Pelto, BOS* 1B Chris Anderson, WSH 2B Matt Perly, DET* 3B Bud Ayers, PHA* LF Al Jackson, CLE CF Peaches Badeau, PHA CF John Young, NYA National League Starters: C Herman Dunkel, STL* 1B Ken Chaucer, BSN 2B Joe Bardo, PHI 3B Nick Pursell, NYG SS Moses Bottoms, PIT LF Johnny Champagne, NYG CF Artie Albrecht, NYG* RF Ogden Wing, STL* SP Grady Ingram, STL Reserves: SP Walter Pond, NYG SP Randy Liebermann, CHN SP Glenn Howell, BSN SP Garland Sisk, NYG SP Ron Fleischmann, PIT SP Jack Boe, CIN RP Rick Vaughn, CIN RP Robert Datoli, CIN RP Bob Rustia, BSN C Bud Moore, BSN* 1B Junior Nunez, STL* 2B Maurice Goza, CIN 2B Mike Fellner, STL RF William Perry, PIT* RF James Lewis, PHI RF Mark Silcox, BKN * denotes ancestor Next All-Star Game scheduled at Shibe Park, Philadelphia With the recent large classes of ancestors developing, we're starting to see many more ancestors in the AS game. There were 15 this year (not counting Vaughn who was also created). Also, black players are becoming a much bigger force in baseball. There were five black all-stars, including starters Ellis Weeks, Hershel Lee and pseudo-rookie Moses Bottoms.

02-07-2005, 09:32 PM	#3620
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	ok Rick Vaughn?of all the folks on my team that could be all stars, Rick Vaughn? __________________ PT21 PT22