2008-09 NHL Season Thread - Page 18

Afino · 02-01-2009, 03:02 PM

Of course, now Ovie has a hat trick today and 5 goals in two games.

He had 2 goals in the first 11 games......34 goals in 38 games since.

60 again?

edit: AND his next goal is #200.....in only 4 years.

canadiancreed · 02-01-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Afino

Goalies grow on trees, and you can always build a trap (sorry, SYSTEM) around them. Right, Steve Mason?

Funny how the most successful trap system had a great goalie backing it up in the form of Martin Brouder.

Goalies do indeed grow on trees. So do scorers. The key is what is harder to find that is HOF quality? That answer is goalies all the time.

Afino · 02-01-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

Funny how the most successful trap system had a great goalie backing it up in the form of Martin Brouder.

Goalies do indeed grow on trees. So do scorers. The key is what is harder to find that is HOF quality? That answer is goalies all the time.

And what's funnier is how Jersey got BETTER after Brodeur got hurt.

I won't disagree on the second point though.

Big Hugg · 02-02-2009, 05:29 PM

The "system" wasn't so hot when Pascal Leclaire and Fredrik Norrena were in goal earlier this year and the Jackets were in 14th in the West and giving up 3.5 goals a game.

Afino · 02-03-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Hugg

The "system" wasn't so hot when Pascal Leclaire and Fredrik Norrena were in goal earlier this year and the Jackets were in 14th in the West and giving up 3.5 goals a game.

Is Mason really that much better than Leclaire was??

(and that's an honest question, I don't see much Columbus)

Long_Long_Name · 02-04-2009, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Afino

Is Mason really that much better than Leclaire was??

Leclaire is inconsistent - he had a fantastic season last year, and while not a Luongo/Brodeur, he was a very goal goaltender. The problem is, the rest of the time, he's been rather... ordinary.

Steve Mason is having a slightly better season this year than Leclaire last year. Slightly.

Bluenoser · 02-04-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Afino

And what's funnier is how Jersey got BETTER after Brodeur got hurt.

So let me get this straight, you're saying they would have been worse if he hadn't gotten injured and kept playing?

Brodeur was injured on the 2nd of Nov, he had played 10 games, was 6-2-2 with 2 shutouts. He had a 2.16 GAA and a .916 PCT. Not exactly the type of numbers you get from the average goalie plucked from a tree.

Big Hugg · 02-04-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Long_Long_Name

Leclaire is inconsistent - he had a fantastic season last year, and while not a Luongo/Brodeur, he was a very goal goaltender. The problem is, the rest of the time, he's been rather... ordinary.

Steve Mason is having a slightly better season this year than Leclaire last year. Slightly.

Leclaire's also pretty injury prone.

Mason's been playing the last month with mono. That's insane.

Afino · 02-04-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

So let me get this straight, you're saying they would have been worse if he hadn't gotten injured and kept playing?

Brodeur was injured on the 2nd of Nov, he had played 10 games, was 6-2-2 with 2 shutouts. He had a 2.16 GAA and a .916 PCT. Not exactly the type of numbers you get from the average goalie plucked from a tree.

No, but no one expected Clemmensen to be Brodeur-esque.

Bluenoser · 02-05-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Afino

No, but no one expected Clemmensen to be Brodeur-esque.

And if you look at his stats you'll see he's not Brodeur-esque.

Play both of them for the same amount of games and there's little doubt Brodeur will put up better numbers.

Clemmenson isn't even top 10 in any stat catagories, hardly Brodeur-esque.

canadiancreed · 02-05-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

And if you look at his stats you'll see he's not Brodeur-esque.

Play both of them for the same amount of games and there's little doubt Brodeur will put up better numbers.

Clemmenson isn't even top 10 in any stat catagories, hardly Brodeur-esque.

I thikn it's more that he's able to hold the fort quite decently while their star is gone. New Jersey without Brodeur should be keeping teams like carolina and Ottawa company right now, and that's not happening.

Bluenoser · 02-05-2009, 04:14 PM

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I thikn it's more that he's able to hold the fort quite decently while their star is gone. New Jersey without Brodeur should be keeping teams like carolina and Ottawa company right now, and that's not happening.

Well I'm inclined to believe otherwise. New Jersey has plenty of talent, not just "Brodeur". I don't believe that without him they should be keeping Carolina and Ottawa company. If anything, I believe both those teams (Carolina/Ottawa) are underachieving given the talent they have.

Long_Long_Name · 02-05-2009, 04:52 PM

The Devils are 4th in the East for goals scored.

Afino · 02-05-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceM

If anything, I believe both those teams (Carolina/Ottawa) are underachieving given the talent they have.

Ottawa yes.

Carolina no. Other than Staal (who's overrated anyways, IMO), who exactly is their "talent"?

But both teams talent wise are under Jersey.

canadiancreed · 02-06-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Afino

Ottawa yes.

Carolina no. Other than Staal (who's overrated anyways, IMO), who exactly is their "talent"?

But both teams talent wise are under Jersey.

", although outside of the first line their not talented, or has evaporated. This is not your 2006 Senators, that team slowly began to dissolve once Chara left. In fact many are starting to call for the GM's head

Long_Long_Name · 02-06-2009, 03:07 PM

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", although outside of the first line their not talented, or has evaporated. This is not your 2006 Senators, that team slowly began to dissolve once Chara left. In fact many are starting to call for the GM's head

Well there's Fisher, Neil, Picard, Volchenkov, Vermette, Kuba, Foligno... so, yeah, that's not fabulous, but there is some depth, unlike in Tampa.

canadiancreed · 02-06-2009, 03:46 PM

true, although comparing to Tampa anyone looks good. Even the leafs.

As for the guys you mentioned:

Fisher - A #2 centre that isn't. He's sucked wind this year comapred to what he should be.
Neil - Probably one of the few guys that has been trying. Inguries and being a better version of Domi is depth material. Dont' get me wrong it's one of the few Sens that I wouldn't want to kick out, but he's a #3/4 line player.
Picard - Needs moe minor time and if we weren't suckign wind that's where he woudl be. Does aggravating passing mistakes (but who doesn't on this team anymore)
Volchenkov - Forgot about him. Damn inguries
Vermette - Overrated. That we're relying on his stick to wake up is a sign of our season right there.
Kuba - Not a big fan of this guy. We wouldn't pay for Chara but we'd get this instead? Yuck.
Foligno - Too raw. Needs a few years but out of the listed group he's one of the better ones, which is a little depressing. Antone that I wouldn't trade just yet, but having to rely on him on the second line shows how little depth we have.

Long_Long_Name · 02-06-2009, 04:03 PM

I forgot Chris Phillips.

My point is that all of these guys are either good 2nd or 3rd liners (which is what you'd want considering you have three top notch guys, right?), good defensemen, or good prospects. Chris Neil is without a doubt the tough guy I'd most like on my team (Sean Avery is better, but...), and Volchenkov is a very solid defenseman. While not extremely talented, Ottawa has the depth to be a playoff team. Ottawa's problem is not just a talent problem.

mgom27 · 02-06-2009, 08:58 PM

Gray Bettman rejected 3 offers to buy the Coytoes like from Bulls Owner and so on.

Delgadodawg · 02-07-2009, 01:08 PM

IMO, A defense made up of Kuba, Phillips, Volchenkov, Smith, Picard, Bell, Lee and Schubert is definitely in the bottom 3rd (maybe worse) in the NHL, talent wise.

For goalies you have Auld, who is 27th in save percentage, and Elliot who is just a shade better.

So it doesn't really surprise me to see that they are outside of the playoff race right now.

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Long_Long_Name Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montréal Posts: 7,065	I forgot Chris Phillips. My point is that all of these guys are either good 2nd or 3rd liners (which is what you'd want considering you have three top notch guys, right?), good defensemen, or good prospects. Chris Neil is without a doubt the tough guy I'd most like on my team (Sean Avery is better, but...), and Volchenkov is a very solid defenseman. While not extremely talented, Ottawa has the depth to be a playoff team. Ottawa's problem is not just a talent problem. __________________ Beta Baseball. Join it!

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Big Hugg All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 933	The "system" wasn't so hot when Pascal Leclaire and Fredrik Norrena were in goal earlier this year and the Jackets were in 14th in the West and giving up 3.5 goals a game.

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canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	true, although comparing to Tampa anyone looks good. Even the leafs. As for the guys you mentioned: Fisher - A #2 centre that isn't. He's sucked wind this year comapred to what he should be. Neil - Probably one of the few guys that has been trying. Inguries and being a better version of Domi is depth material. Dont' get me wrong it's one of the few Sens that I wouldn't want to kick out, but he's a #3/4 line player. Picard - Needs moe minor time and if we weren't suckign wind that's where he woudl be. Does aggravating passing mistakes (but who doesn't on this team anymore) Volchenkov - Forgot about him. Damn inguries Vermette - Overrated. That we're relying on his stick to wake up is a sign of our season right there. Kuba - Not a big fan of this guy. We wouldn't pay for Chara but we'd get this instead? Yuck. Foligno - Too raw. Needs a few years but out of the listed group he's one of the better ones, which is a little depressing. Antone that I wouldn't trade just yet, but having to rely on him on the second line shows how little depth we have.

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Delgadodawg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver Posts: 800	IMO, A defense made up of Kuba, Phillips, Volchenkov, Smith, Picard, Bell, Lee and Schubert is definitely in the bottom 3rd (maybe worse) in the NHL, talent wise. For goalies you have Auld, who is 27th in save percentage, and Elliot who is just a shade better. So it doesn't really surprise me to see that they are outside of the playoff race right now.