2005 New York Yankees Official Thread - Page 17

KILLERBS24 · 06-02-2005, 10:56 PM

Royals first sweep in 78 series. Probably half the team has spent time in AA/AAA this year. I would have thought the start of the season taught the Yankees that they just cant go out and win games with minimal effort, I guess not. After the win streak they are now back to looking extremely unmotivated. They seem content to just hang around in the race and expect to turn it on at the end. If they lose the series in Minnesota, which could very easily happen, I think another George blowup is coming!

CommishJoe · 06-02-2005, 11:50 PM

I am going to all 3 games this weekend, so I hope they put forth a better effort then they did in KC. That was just pitiful. Can't take anything away from KC though.

randomlefty10 · 06-03-2005, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Yyzlin

ARod is the best third basemen in the game. He would also be the best shortstop in the game. Whereas, Jeter would likely be an average center fielder, while he is an above average shortstop.

You're just talking about offense right? Cuz there's NO WAY any of that applies on defense.

TonyJ · 06-03-2005, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by randomlefty10

You're just talking about offense right? Cuz there's NO WAY any of that applies on defense.

We were talking about overall value.

randomlefty10 · 06-03-2005, 01:58 AM

fair enough. It was in the middle of talking about position switches for defensive reasons so I wasn't sure.

mh2365 · 06-03-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yyzlin

ARod is the best third basemen in the game. He would also be the best shortstop in the game. Whereas, Jeter would likely be an average center fielder, while he is an above average shortstop.

Being a diehard Sox fan my opinion maybe biased but Arod can be the best at whatever he does but bottom line is no team will ever win a Championship with him on the team. He is an absolute chemistry killer.

Jeter may not be the best at shortstop but I would take him 1000 times out of 1000 over Arod. Jeter does whatever is necessary to win. Arod does whatever it takes to make himself look good.

I hate the Yankees with every fiber of my being but I cannot hate Jeter, he is the definition of class, he is clutch, he almost always makes the big play and there isn't a better face for a franchise than him.

Would I have been happy if the Sox signed Arod? Probably. Would we have won the Series? Not a chance in hell. Mariners better without him (not in the last two years) Rangers better without him, and the Yankees would be better without him.

disposableheros · 06-04-2005, 10:51 PM

finally a reason to be

CommishJoe · 06-04-2005, 11:55 PM

Yeah, I was at both games in MIN so far, and this one was more enjoyable by far. My kids and I will be going to the game tomorrow too, but with Kevin Brown starting, I won't be keeping my hopes up.

UngratefulDead · 06-05-2005, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Being a diehard Sox fan my opinion maybe biased but Arod can be the best at whatever he does but bottom line is no team will ever win a Championship with him on the team. He is an absolute chemistry killer.

Jeter may not be the best at shortstop but I would take him 1000 times out of 1000 over Arod. Jeter does whatever is necessary to win. Arod does whatever it takes to make himself look good.

Would I have been happy if the Sox signed Arod? Probably. Would we have won the Series? Not a chance in hell. Mariners better without him (not in the last two years) Rangers better without him, and the Yankees would be better without him.

Wow.

TonyJ · 06-05-2005, 12:26 AM

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Wow.

Yeah, I was thinking about replying to that but didn't know where to start. I guess I'll just say don't confuse simultaneity with causation and leave it at that.

cknox0723 · 06-05-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mh

Jeter may not be the best at shortstop but I would take him 1000 times out of 1000 over Arod. Jeter does whatever is necessary to win. Arod does whatever it takes to make himself look good.

a paragraph from bill james' "1991 baseball book" --

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Of course there are individual differences betweem them, which contribute to (or more likely, justify) the racist preference. Trammell is a visible on-field "leader", a holler guy; Whitaker is quiet, laid back. Sometimes he's a bit of a space cadet. But the survival of this blatant supremacist stereotype into the 1990's is shocking and unseemly. Lou Whitaker may not be the player you dreamed he would - but who's been better? What AL second baseman would you have rather had these last 13 years? Give the man credit for what he is.

anyone who wants to update this for the times, feel free. only difference is -- alex rodriguez is unquestionably better than derek jeter.

mlyons · 06-05-2005, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cknox0723

a paragraph from bill james' "1991 baseball book" --

anyone who wants to update this for the times, feel free. only difference is -- alex rodriguez is unquestionably better than derek jeter.

How would racism play a part in it, though? Rodriguez is Latino, Jeter is of mixed race; who would you discriminate against?

TotalEnd98 · 06-05-2005, 12:54 AM

What annoys me are games like tonight, where Jeter takes a seat (I believe he has the flu) and A-Rod is STILL at third. He only moved to short when Torre had Bernie pinch-hit for Rey Sanchez in the 9th.

cknox0723 · 06-05-2005, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

How would racism play a part in it, though? Rodriguez is Latino, Jeter is of mixed race; who would you discriminate against?

rodriguez, since he is a p-ssy and slaps at the ball and sleeps with jeter. duh.

racism is not the most accurate phrase in this case. it is simply another case of the quiet guy losing out to the team leader who pumps his fist a lot and dives into the stands. with that said...my instinct tells me that if rodriguez was caucasian like, say, chad curtis or scott brosius, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

not that we need to be having it anyway - most of the folks in here, yourself included, have what i feel is the correct perception on this issue. but i will take any chance i get to quote bill james.

UngratefulDead · 06-05-2005, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

Yeah, I was thinking about replying to that but didn't know where to start. I guess I'll just say don't confuse simultaneity with causation and leave it at that.

Are you in some way implying that Yogi Berra isn't the best player in the history of baseball?

TonyJ · 06-05-2005, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

Are you in some way implying that Yogi Berra isn't the best player in the history of baseball?

Nnnnnnnyyyyyyes.

SWardle · 06-05-2005, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cknox0723

a paragraph from bill james' "1991 baseball book" --

anyone who wants to update this for the times, feel free. only difference is -- alex rodriguez is unquestionably better than derek jeter.

Give me a break. Why must everyone always play the race card simply because ALL fans don't love a certain player? Albert Pujols isn't white and I don't ever hear anything bad said about him. Or Johan Santana for that matter and several other players that aren't American born and/or white.

You always hear the race card played for guys that bring the heat down on themselves, too. It's like it's some shock that fans don't pick up with a Bonds or A-Rod... Bonds is only the world's biggest walking and talking dick, and A-Rod comes off to me as a politician when I hear him speak. He's always saying what you want to hear and then two days later you'll hear a story about him doing the exact opposite - much like Sammy Sosa.

It's hard for me as a fan to respect guys like that. Are they all great ballplayers? Sure. Three of the best from my era. But that doesn't make me like them.

Steve-O

Matzilla · 06-05-2005, 06:53 PM

Wow! I guess the fact that race is even being discussed in this thread is a testament to how woeful the Yanks’ on-field performance has been. The Yanks are on the cusp of sinking to a new low this season (if they haven't already), and so is this thread.

mlyons · 06-05-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Matzilla

Wow! I guess the fact that race is even being discussed in this thread is a testament to how woeful the Yanks’ on-field performance has been. The Yanks are on the cusp of sinking to a new low this season (if they haven't already), and so is this thread.

I wouldn't go that far. 1990 and 1991 were pretty woeful. The current team has an awful long way to go before they get that bad.

Matzilla · 06-05-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

I wouldn't go that far. 1990 and 1991 were pretty woeful. The current team has an awful long way to go before they get that bad.

The difference...the 1990/91 Chuck Cary, Dave LaPoint, Alvaro Espinosa-era Yanks didn't have a $200m payroll, the talent or the expectations to win it all. This year's Yanks are much more disappointing, by far. This team isn’t afforded the luxury of mediocrity, let alone failure.

So says King George, so says I.

06-02-2005, 10:56 PM	#321
KILLERBS24 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 938	Royals first sweep in 78 series. Probably half the team has spent time in AA/AAA this year. I would have thought the start of the season taught the Yankees that they just cant go out and win games with minimal effort, I guess not. After the win streak they are now back to looking extremely unmotivated. They seem content to just hang around in the race and expect to turn it on at the end. If they lose the series in Minnesota, which could very easily happen, I think another George blowup is coming! __________________ Asterisked legacy: Barry Bonds, the greatest steroid user ever Last edited by KILLERBS24; 06-02-2005 at 10:58 PM.

06-02-2005, 11:50 PM	#322
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I am going to all 3 games this weekend, so I hope they put forth a better effort then they did in KC. That was just pitiful. Can't take anything away from KC though. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

06-04-2005, 11:55 PM	#328
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	Yeah, I was at both games in MIN so far, and this one was more enjoyable by far. My kids and I will be going to the game tomorrow too, but with Kevin Brown starting, I won't be keeping my hopes up. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

06-05-2005, 12:54 AM	#333
TotalEnd98 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,687	What annoys me are games like tonight, where Jeter takes a seat (I believe he has the flu) and A-Rod is STILL at third. He only moved to short when Torre had Bernie pinch-hit for Rey Sanchez in the 9th. __________________ OTBL - Scandinavia Cartoon Heroes This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.

06-05-2005, 06:53 PM	#338
Matzilla Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Der große Apfel Posts: 156	Wow! I guess the fact that race is even being discussed in this thread is a testament to how woeful the Yanks’ on-field performance has been. The Yanks are on the cusp of sinking to a new low this season (if they haven't already), and so is this thread. __________________ "Slump? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hitting." - Yogi Berra

06-03-2005, 01:58 AM	#325
randomlefty10 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,438	fair enough. It was in the middle of talking about position switches for defensive reasons so I wasn't sure.

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disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	finally a reason to be