OOTP6 - speed up release ? - OPEN for comments

[merlin9761]

i agree with ya totally kserra.improved AI is my major concern as well.

[Ragnar]

hehehehehehe H2H is not a "neat" feature. It is a huge feature. Lumping H2H with Fin. co-eff. and double headers is like lumbing beer with milk and juice. H2H is a huge part of the gaming industry. Financial co-effeciant and double headers are not. You don't see games like Warcraft advertise their neat new AI and put off h2h. They would make 0 sales.

IMO H2H should have been in the game before I knew it existed. Features like Double headers and Financial co-efficiant are requested as a result of the game getting so good that there is not much more to add.

[Eric]

Wow, 543 votes. I didn't realize that LL had *that* many aliases.

[ZXLT]

All I really have to say as that the majority of you guys are overanalyzing this to the extreme. You're stating all of these different cases and "possibilities" of things that could happen or could go wrong.

First of all, the poll is just asking a simple question. Do you want the feature in the release version or not? I'm sure Markus knows better than we do in terms of what is currently going on with the game and where it is in the areas of testing and development. I doubt that any of the opinions or arguments posted in this humongous thread is going to have any kind of large impact on the release of this game. Nowhere has Markus said that releasing the game without the feature would lead to the game being released with many different bugs. It was never hinted that it was even a possibility.

The other thing people are saying is that if the game is released "early", the feature will keep getting pushed back and never included. Where has there been any indication that this could happen? I know some of you have pointed at the financial coefficient, but Markus has already stated that he's halfway done the head-to-head feature. I'm sure he has a good idea of what he's doing with this right now.

We've placed a lot of trust in Markus by buying past versions of his games and posting on these forums daily, so I don't see the reasoning behind assuming that he doesn't know what he's doing and what is best for the company and the customers.

[kserra]

Originally posted by Ragnar
hehehehehehe H2H is not a "neat" feature. It is a huge feature. Lumping H2H with Fin. co-eff. and double headers is like lumbing beer with milk and juice. H2H is a huge part of the gaming industry. Financial co-effeciant and double headers are not. You don't see games like Warcraft advertise their neat new AI and put off h2h. They would make 0 sales.

IMO H2H should have been in the game before I knew it existed. Features like Double headers and Financial co-efficiant are requested as a result of the game getting so good that there is not much more to add.

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I think it was mentioned before...those looking at H2H are more than likely looking at it for their online leagues...most leagues will wait a week or two before jumping to the next version to see what bugs/issues arise...

I feel like a presidential candidate here when I start referring to the "silent" majority, but I think the overwhelming majority of OOTPer's are solo players, perhaps who dabble in online gaming...improving the gameplay in solo play has got to be the NUMBER ONE issue, and not "extra" features that enhance the online experience...I could be wrong, but I don't think I am...

Kevin--father of Riley...

[Henry]

I do not and will not minimalize the importance any customer puts on any feature that has been added to the game, or any feature being requested to be added - as to the importance they put on it.

My position from the beginning has been that the game will be complete in one of two ways. The first is to wait till H2H is done, and the second is to release version A without it and add it later as version B. In either case, it is ultimately a complete game - the second choice simply giving it to those first who are not waiting for H2H.

Minor bugs will occur regardless of which path is followed, but it is important to point out that it is highly unlikely that any "show stoppers" would occur that would effect the release of version B - and if they did - releasing the game all at once will not avoid them. The beta team is currently testing the game as it stands and will finish that testing on the same day whether it's released in one or two parts.

Most of this discussion has been built on "what ifs" and "maybes" that have little to do with what was offered. The offer by Markus is a valid and solid one. I'm positive he would not have brought it up had he thought any risk was involved to the stability of the game.

I have no idea what Markus will choose to do, but I am sure he will do what is best for the community - since this is what he's always done.

Henry

[Gromit]

Nicely put, Henry.

[Sweed]

There is an interesting thread at FOFC that may ease some of the fears people are having about v6 being so buggy that H2H won't get done if it's released first without it.

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/for...ad.php?t=23887

One of the posts in the thread talks about how stable the game already is..

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druez
Varsity Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 261

I'm working on the OOTP 6 beta/preview/review and let me add my comments to this thread.

OOTP 6.0 is a definate improvement over an already excellent product.
OOTP 6.0 is very stable and a joy to play.

OOTP Developments has done an excellent job again and I'm sure most of you can't wait to get your hands on this excellent new product.

I have no idea when release is

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Now of course there will be some bugs, there always are. I don't think though that Markus will release the game unless it is up to his standards weather with or without H2H.

[Gralem]

If its only going to take a few weeks to be complete finished with all features intact why not just wait??? I hate it when games are rushed out...most of the time there are errors...or bugs ..or both....not saying it will happen with this game...but why not release a COMPLETE game!!! Thats sounds logical to me...I really dont want to purchase a 3/4 complete game...with a CHANCE for things to go wrong

[mkbdoe]

Originally posted by kserra

Those who are waiting for H2H are probably a similar crowd who would love the financial coefficent and who were excited by the ability to include doubleheaders...

My feeling, again, this is just my feeling, is that the VAST majority of OOTPer's want the game as soon as possible, but probably won't use or even consider these three options (H2H, Fin. Co. Eff., Double Headers)....but consider them "neat" secondary features...

[/B]

Totally what I thought, and I wondered how I missed it when I read this post, and became very confused

[Mike D]

Ok, so people are paranoid that the game will never include H2H because of the promise of the financial co-ef. Here's an idea. Anyone who wants the game with H2H, if Markus announces the game will be published without it at first, but will be added in a major update, then cancel your preorder. Now that you have been made aware that the feature you were looking forward to is not going to make it in the intial release, it is up to you to cancel your order because of this. It is your right. Get back the 25.95 that you paid for the game. Then when H2H makes it into the game, go ahead and purchase the game for 34.95 and enjoy the H2H feature that you wanted. Or, you could say, well, I got a $9 discount on the game, but I have to wait 2 weeks for the H2H feature to make it in. I can understand that you guys are mad it's not in there, but it has been stated that if you guys wanted your refunds, just email viatech, and they will happily process it for you. Just remember that when H2H is implemented, when you buy the game then, you are paying the 34.95. So, it's up to you if you want to wait the 2 weeks for H2H and pay only 25.95 or wait till sometime later when H2H is in there and pay th efull 34.95.

[mauboy]

Originally posted by Mike D
Ok, so people are paranoid that the game will never include H2H because of the promise of the financial co-ef. Here's an idea. Anyone who wants the game with H2H, if Markus announces the game will be published without it at first, but will be added in a major update, then cancel your preorder. Now that you have been made aware that the feature you were looking forward to is not going to make it in the intial release, it is up to you to cancel your order because of this. It is your right. Get back the 25.95 that you paid for the game. Then when H2H makes it into the game, go ahead and purchase the game for 34.95 and enjoy the H2H feature that you wanted. Or, you could say, well, I got a $9 discount on the game, but I have to wait 2 weeks for the H2H feature to make it in. I can understand that you guys are mad it's not in there, but it has been stated that if you guys wanted your refunds, just email viatech, and they will happily process it for you. Just remember that when H2H is implemented, when you buy the game then, you are paying the 34.95. So, it's up to you if you want to wait the 2 weeks for H2H and pay only 25.95 or wait till sometime later when H2H is in there and pay th efull 34.95.

Seems to say everything about right..

Is the game worth $25.95 w/out head to head? You're damn right it is.

Is the game worth 34.95 w/out head to head? Once again, you're damn right it is.

Markus was being kind enough to do this. But that is besides the point right now, H2H is the issue. Will I be upset if for whatever reason it doesn't become implemented, ever? Yes, I will be(as I'm already trying to devise some sort of tourney)!

I have got nothin else to say. G'night.

[mauboy]

By the way, Markus is probably yawning right now, rolling out of his bed... Thinking, "Man, I just had this crazy dream... I was a creator of this really cool baseball game called Out of the Park Baseball. I was already famous and everything, and by the time the 6th version came out, everybody wanted a perfect game. I'm glad it was a dream." Walks to computer............"AAAAAAAH"

[Le Grande Orange]

I think Mike D. hit the nail on the head. Sure, it might be discouraging to those who wanted H2H in the initial release and it may not be there, but you'll survive. Trust me, put in 15 years of computer game playing and nothing about releases or features or delays will bother you any more.

You just sit back, watch how things unfold, and then decide to buy or not. Completely stress free this method is... I highly recommend this approach as it will keep you blood pressure right where it should be instead of where it shouldn't.

[Lamorak]

I'm not a game player, I'm a OOTP fan.

There is *nothing* stress free about waiting for something you care deeply about. Jiminy Cricket, it's like a thousand expectant fathers all waiting on one childs birth on this board!

--Dave

[Ragnar]

Originally posted by Mike D
Get back the 25.95 that you paid for the game. Then when H2H makes it into the game, go ahead and purchase the game for 34.95 and enjoy the H2H feature that you wanted. Or, you could say, well, I got a $9 discount on the game, but I have to wait 2 weeks for the H2H feature to make it in. I can understand that you guys are mad it's not in there, but it has been stated that if you guys wanted your refunds, just email viatech, and they will happily process it for you. Just remember that when H2H is implemented, when you buy the game then, you are paying the 34.95. So, it's up to you if you want to wait the 2 weeks for H2H and pay only 25.95 or wait till sometime later when H2H is in there and pay th efull 34.95.

Wait a minute. I already pre-ordered. Why would I ask for a refund of 25.95 then pay 34.95 when H2H is implemented?

How about I just wait to see if H2H gets in and then make my decision. Is there like a week time table for a refund? I will be able to hold off on DLing the game and asking for a refund until the game is officially complete, correct?

I do believe it will get in. I have faith. And I Will probably DL the game anyway one way or the other. But I am still amazed at some of the posts I see. It's easy for gamers to come to conclusions. But how many gamers here would risk losing %13 of their business? Not to mention gamers not on these boards or all of the gamers those 13% tell about this great game? Sure i'll buy it. But will I recommend it? I know mostly H2H gamers of all sorts. These are the reasons I have faith it will get in or a great attempt will be made to implement it.

[Johnny Slick]

I'm still waiting for the computer game Champions to come out. I hear it's going to be swell.

[cibl commish]

Bring it out sooner

[Ben E Lou]

Originally posted by Lamorak
I'm not a game player, I'm a OOTP fan.

Ugh. I never have understood this mentality, and probably never will. Right now, my favorite baseball game is OOTP5. My favorite football game is FOF2K4. My favorite basketball game is FBCB. However, if Dreslough shocked us all and came out with a slammin' BM2K5 that outdid OOTP6, I'd buy it, play it, and consider the money spent on OOTP6 to be wasted. Likewise, if TPF2 outdoes FOF2K4, off the HD comes FOF2K4, on goes TPF2. I couldn't care less. If Saddam Hussein gets out of detainment and releases a college basketball game better than FBCB, then Saddam gets my dollars. Being a "fan" of a franchise is silly to me, and implies blind loyalty.

I'm no "fan" of any game. I've bought Markus's games in the past, but if someone makes a better game than him, I wouldn't hesitate to spend my dollars elsewhere. If more gamers held this attitude, it would only be good for the genre, because no developer could have any temptation to count on "fans" to purchase his game every year no matter what. (see: Dreslough and Baseball Mogul) I'm going to play the game that is the most fun for me right now, not be a "fan" of any series for what it has been in the past.

Markus, Jim, Clay, Arlie, Brian, what have you done for me lately?

[Lamorak]

Whoaaa...I said I am *fan*, not a mindless game-zombie!

Allow me to rephrase:
"I am a interested and involved admirer of the OOTP gaming franchise."

I don't know what skydog thinks being a fan means but it's hardly a difficult to understand mentality! I believe the terms 'fan' and 'fanboy' have been blurred a little unfairly.

--Dave