No Rosters? ... Let's Get to Work. - Page 17

kckid4u · 06-20-2007, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kagnew35

Here are BA's real top 100 for 2007

http://www.soxxcountry.com/forum/vie....php?p=337#337

2 ALEX GORDON, 3b, Royals
College Player of the Year in 2005, Minor League Player of the Year in 2006 . . . Rookie of the Year in 2007
Opening Day Age: 23. ETA: 2007

He is rated kind of low in this roster set isn't he?

kckid4u · 06-20-2007, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kckid4u

2 ALEX GORDON, 3b, Royals
College Player of the Year in 2005, Minor League Player of the Year in 2006 . . . Rookie of the Year in 2007
Opening Day Age: 23. ETA: 2007

He is rated kind of low in this roster set isn't he?

Well, maybe not. You do have him ranked 9th. In fact, your spot on.

injury log · 06-20-2007, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kagnew35

Don't wanna nitpick, but aren't there way too many "prospects" that are and have been with major lg clubs, ie hankley ramirez, last years ROY, mccann with braves, are these really still prospects?

See my post, no. 301 above- it's the game's fault, not Cubby's.

gibby290 · 06-20-2007, 10:58 AM

This is great news...I am back from my business trip early and I may have rosters this weekend!!

Scott Vibert · 06-20-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kckid4u

Well, maybe not. You do have him ranked 9th. In fact, your spot on.

Because of the differences between OOTP and Baseball America's methods for ranking prospects, one should not expect a 1-1 correlation.

Its way too early IMO to start suggesting ratings changes without people running several test sims to build up a sample size to suggest who is over/under performing, etc.

jackflash · 06-20-2007, 10:59 AM

Anyway we can open up another forum for rating discussions? Not sure if its me or not, but it makes it tough to find updates on the set itself.

soxfan34 · 06-20-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jackflash

Anyway we can open up another forum for rating discussions? Not sure if its me or not, but it makes it tough to find updates on the set itself.

Agreed. When is the set supposed to be out Cubby?

jskipper · 06-20-2007, 11:52 AM

My take on the Pirates: #34 seemed low to me for McCutchen...he projects to be a 5-tool player, but since the list obviously includes a lot of major leaguers and not just minors, maybe that isn't so bad. Brad Lincoln and Neil Walker should be on the list over Paul Maholm.

cja1214 · 06-20-2007, 12:03 PM

Sorry to throw one more prospect question in, but the Tigers are lacking in the prospect department. Detroit only has Verlander in the top 100 according to the game, but according to the actual baseball of America they have two additional players in the top 10.

Scott Vibert · 06-20-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cja1214

Sorry to throw one more prospect question in, but the Tigers are lacking in the prospect department. Detroit only has Verlander in the top 100 according to the game, but according to the actual baseball of America they have two additional players in the top 10.

Different ranking systems between OOTP and Baseball America causes this. Attempting to makie OOTPs list match Baseball America's on a 1-1 basis would likely cause current minor league prospects to be overrated in the roster set.

cja1214 · 06-20-2007, 12:46 PM

I definitely agree and understand that, but those two players are in the top 10...I am just wondering how far down the list they would have been in OOTP's rankings.

injury log · 06-20-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cja1214

Sorry to throw one more prospect question in, but the Tigers are lacking in the prospect department. Detroit only has Verlander in the top 100 according to the game, but according to the actual baseball of America they have two additional players in the top 10.

Good catch- Andrew Miller (no. 10 overall on BA's list) should be ranked well enough to make it. You can see what a difference age makes in OOTP's ranking by comparing the potential ratings of no. 38, Chad Billingsley, and no. 40, Josh Johnson- Johnson is ranked better in all areas, but Billingsley is younger. So, while it would be dangerous to compare the rankings of a 22 year old and a 20 year old, I'd think it legitimate to compare Andrew Miller to other 22 year old pitchers on the list; surely he should be ranked higher than Matt Chico.

As for Brandon Morrow, I'd think that he (and Jose Garcia and Jonathan Sanchez) must already have SP-level endurance (100+) or else there's no way OOTP would rank them in the list with those ratings, so I don't know if a change is needed there. The selected position makes no difference to OOTP's ranking, only the underlying ratings.

By my count, there are about 30 sophomore players on Cubby's list, so we should really only be talking about the top 70 on BA's top 100 anyway, because of the difference between OOTP and BA's eligibility criteria. And Scott's point is a good one; the lists should not correspond exactly, for many reasons. I'm concerned that there may be too many pitchers on the list (OOTP only ranks elite pitching prospects, unlike real life BA), but I'll await sim results to see if that is indeed the case.

injury log · 06-20-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cja1214

I definitely agree and understand that, but those two players are in the top 10...I am just wondering how far down the list they would have been in OOTP's rankings.

Cameron Maybin, the other Tiger in BA's top 10, was discussed above- Cubby has rated him highly, which is good to know. I should point out that some prospects may be penalized in the OOTP ranking because they have been assigned to a low level of the minors.

CubbyFan23 · 06-20-2007, 03:15 PM

Going to start a new thread for rating suggestions I believe. I think this thread is close to death by the time Sunday rolls around.

soxfan34 · 06-20-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Going to start a new thread for rating suggestions I believe. I think this thread is close to death by the time Sunday rolls around.

Lol, I just started a thread for this issue then read your post. My apologies...

CubbyFan23 · 06-20-2007, 03:40 PM

no problem

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=149916

You can go there to check out our guidelines for suggestions to make this process easier and to make some. The more the merrier.

jackflash · 06-20-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Going to start a new thread for rating suggestions I believe. I think this thread is close to death by the time Sunday rolls around.

Is that a hint?

CubbyFan23 · 06-21-2007, 07:40 PM

Well we have a problem, the roster set is botched.

NOT!

We averted a small crisis in the last few days, as players would randomly disappear from teams when the computer simmed. I figured this was the latest snafu in the long line of OOTP roster snafus (I like using that word). However with some help from our fearless leader (Markus for those of you who don't remember), the ship was righted, and we're back to editing!

The problem apparently was with one of the minor leagues NOT allowing AI roster moves, which in turn messes up the whole game when you have the computer automanage (and it can't). Who would have knew?

So anyway I haven't talked to hb yet, but I think we're back on track, minus a day. I am still optimistic about a weekend release, but we will be back to let you know more as soon as possible.

(Markus can verify this ACTUALLY happened, I'm not looking for a reason to delay the set

)

CubbyFan23 · 06-21-2007, 11:36 PM

Okay we're back on track -- I think a Sunday release is still in the cards.

Underlined.i · 06-21-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

I think a Sunday release is still in the cards.

What a beautiful post.

06-20-2007, 10:59 AM	#326
jackflash Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 281	Anyway we can open up another forum for rating discussions? Not sure if its me or not, but it makes it tough to find updates on the set itself. __________________ "You can observe alot by watching" - Yogi Berra

06-20-2007, 10:58 AM	#324
gibby290 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Woodlands, TX Posts: 35	This is great news...I am back from my business trip early and I may have rosters this weekend!!

06-20-2007, 11:52 AM	#328
jskipper Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 22	My take on the Pirates: #34 seemed low to me for McCutchen...he projects to be a 5-tool player, but since the list obviously includes a lot of major leaguers and not just minors, maybe that isn't so bad. Brad Lincoln and Neil Walker should be on the list over Paul Maholm.

06-20-2007, 12:03 PM	#329
cja1214 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 18	Sorry to throw one more prospect question in, but the Tigers are lacking in the prospect department. Detroit only has Verlander in the top 100 according to the game, but according to the actual baseball of America they have two additional players in the top 10.

06-20-2007, 12:46 PM	#331
cja1214 Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 18	I definitely agree and understand that, but those two players are in the top 10...I am just wondering how far down the list they would have been in OOTP's rankings.

06-20-2007, 03:15 PM	#334
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	Going to start a new thread for rating suggestions I believe. I think this thread is close to death by the time Sunday rolls around.

06-20-2007, 03:40 PM	#336
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	no problem http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=149916 You can go there to check out our guidelines for suggestions to make this process easier and to make some. The more the merrier.

06-21-2007, 07:40 PM	#338
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	Well we have a problem, the roster set is botched. NOT! We averted a small crisis in the last few days, as players would randomly disappear from teams when the computer simmed. I figured this was the latest snafu in the long line of OOTP roster snafus (I like using that word). However with some help from our fearless leader (Markus for those of you who don't remember), the ship was righted, and we're back to editing! The problem apparently was with one of the minor leagues NOT allowing AI roster moves, which in turn messes up the whole game when you have the computer automanage (and it can't). Who would have knew? So anyway I haven't talked to hb yet, but I think we're back on track, minus a day. I am still optimistic about a weekend release, but we will be back to let you know more as soon as possible. (Markus can verify this ACTUALLY happened, I'm not looking for a reason to delay the set )

06-21-2007, 11:36 PM	#339
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	Okay we're back on track -- I think a Sunday release is still in the cards.