White Sox/Angels ALCS Thread

[Cyclone792]

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[OTBA Team]

Originally Posted by Dale And Eli's Dad

IMO, the umpire made the motions for third strike and third out. It would be easy to say Paul should have done something but the umpire made the motions.

Sure, the umpires did. But as has been pointed out already in this thread, unless Josh paul has eyes in the back of his head, he didn't see that call, and assumed that he did.

[The Great Demo]

Not only did he extend his arm to call a third strike, he PUMPED his fist to call an out...

anyone also notice that Pierzynski headed towards teh dugout? stepped out of the batters box TOWARDS the dugout.

this inning should've been over on SOOOOOOOOO many levels.

[JDOldSchool]

Originally Posted by Dale And Eli's Dad

IMO, the umpire made the motions for third strike and third out. It would be easy to say Paul should have done something but the umpire made the motions.

The Angels got jobbed.

Originally Posted by The Great Demo

Not only did he extend his arm to call a third strike, he PUMPED his fist to call an out...

He said that the motion he made was his "strike three mechanic when it's a swinging strike." There was no "out" call. His first motion was his right arm going to the side, something that can only be interpreted as a safe call (which is what umps do on a trapped ball). The second motion was what I quoted above.

Plus, like OTBA said, Paul didn't see it anyway.

Originally Posted by The Great Demo

anyone also notice that Pierzynski headed towards teh dugout? stepped out of the batters box TOWARDS the dugout.

this inning should've been over on SOOOOOOOOO many levels.

What the hell rulebook are you reading? The batter isn't out until he reaches the dugout steps. He took a step and had barely reached the right-handed batters box. What if this had happened to a right handed batter whose dugout was on the first base side? Wouldn't he be going TOWARDS the dugout, at least momentarily? That argument falls apart really quickly, even when you ignore the actual rules (which is what you did).

[Jonzard]

Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

What the hell rulebook are you reading? The batter isn't out until he reaches the dugout steps.

I heard them say that in the postgame conference too. While he wasnt out for anything like that, I have to believe that he would be out before that. At a certain point you've run out of the baseline.

[rem]

Originally Posted by keenejee

First of all, it's not Kenny dickhead.

hehe, it's easy to read that not in its intended way

[MogulChamp]

Wow. Just got done watching the game and reading the explosion here on the thread. This really sucks. I'm glad we won the game but I feel kind of bad.

Even thougt bad calls happen a lot, this one was huge. It just so happens it was for my team, instead of against.

[MogulChamp]

The funny part about this is that it still took a lot more than a bad call to beat Anaheim. Ozuna stole second, then Crede doubled. Had Crede been K'ed we would be in the 19th inning now.

With Buerhle still pitching...

[mauboy]

Wow, I just saw the call. That's crazy. The ball never even hit the ground.

*shakes head*

The ump got all excited when he saw AJ running to first.

*shrug*

Who cares.

[JDOldSchool]

Originally Posted by Jonzard

I heard them say that in the postgame conference too. While he wasnt out for anything like that, I have to believe that he would be out before that. At a certain point you've run out of the baseline.

I just checked the rule on this: "APPROVED RULING OF 7.08 (a). APPROVED RULING: When a batter becomes a runner on third strike not caught, and starts for his bench or position, he may advance to first base at any time before he enters the bench. To put him out, the defense must tag him or first base before he touches first base."

[sebastian0622]

btw, did I mention Doug Eddings is a punk? He's unprofessional and arrogant. I couldn't believe how candid Smoltz was about the guy (bolded, bottom) when this article originally ran. The sad thing is that this isn't isolated. Eddings consistently acts the fool, from swearing at Estrada after the fact to not acknowledging his mistake in the ALCS. All emphases mine.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/NASApp...=.jsp&c_id=atl

7/1/2005
PHILADELPHIA -- Johnny Estrada knows that a suspension is likely coming his way, but he's looking forward to the opportunity to appeal and tell Major League Baseball that he believes umpire Doug Eddings' actions on Thursday night should also land him some type of punishment.

"I just want to make sure I tell my side of the story," said Estrada. "I don't want to just be slapped with a fine or suspension without them not knowing the whole story. If they just look at the tape, it's going to look bad on my part. I want them to know why I got up and why I was so mad."

Braves manager Bobby Cox says that if Estrada is fined, no matter what the amount, the club will ask Major League Baseball to investigate Eddings' actions.

The usually mild-mannered Estrada erupted, earning his first Major League ejection, during the bottom of the first inning at Dolphins Stadium on Thursday night. Provoking him was Eddings, who didn't appreciate the fact that the Braves' catcher had moved toward the dugout after what he thought was strike three and an inning-ending strikeout.

Estrada said that as he awaited the next pitch, Eddings continued cursing in his ear, letting him know that the ball was a foot off the plate. Replays showed that it was certainly a borderline pitch, one that could have been called either way.

Estrada said that he had no problem with the call and wouldn't have said any more if Eddings hadn't continued cursing him. When he hit his boiling point, he sprung from his crouch and began his own swearing, letting the fifth-year umpire know that he didn't appreciate the disrespect.

"They shouldn't be able to talk to us like that without us being able to say something," said Estrada, who was ejected along with Cox and Mike Hampton.

As soon as Paul Lo Duca backed out of the batter's box on Thursday night, the Braves knew something was about to blow. Eddings and Estrada had [previously] exchanged words on May 16, 2004, when Milwaukee's Ben Sheets recorded 18 strikeouts against the Braves.

Given a chance to state whether that incident created some bad blood, Eddings chose to act as if he didn't remember the historic game, or even Sheets.

"Oh, from Milwaukee?" Eddings said. "Ben Sheets? Pitcher? I don't even recognize it."

When told of Eddings' response, Estrada shook his head but wasn't completely surprised. He said that he first saw the umpire's attitude during that game in Milwaukee.

When Estrada, who had gone 5-for-5 the night before, came to the plate in the ninth inning to face Sheets, he told Eddings he thought he was giving the Brewers hurler too many strikes off the plate. A brief argument brought Cox out of the dugout. With no resulting ejections, play resumed, and so, too, did the jawing.

"'That's [crazy], Johnny,' " Estrada remembers Eddings saying. "'You went 5-for-5 yesterday, and now you're going to pull that [stuff] on me.' That's what he said to me as I'm standing there in the box."

Estrada, who was surprised he hadn't been ejected that day in Milwaukee, said that he has a pretty good relationship with most every other Major League umpire.

"I've got to work with them every night," he said. "To be honest, I like most of them. I'm not in the business of showing up umpires."

John Smoltz, who has been a friend to almost everybody since coming to the Majors in 1988, was still steaming about Eddings on Friday night. Looking back, he said that if he'd been the manager, he might have pulled his team off the field and forfeited the game.

Smoltz, too, is looking for Major League Baseball to punish Eddings.

"I know Major League Baseball does what they have to do with players," said Smoltz, "but I would like to see them do something with an umpire, too, because what that umpire did [on Thursday] was about as unprofessional as you're going to get.

"[Eddings is] arrogant, and Major League Baseball in those situations needs to get the same backbone that they use when Kenny Rogers or somebody else does what would be quote-unquote 'unprofessional.' There are too many good umpires to let this guy show his immaturity or lack of professionalism."

[JDOldSchool]

Originally Posted by sebastian0622

btw, did I mention Doug Eddings is a punk? He's unprofessional and arrogant. I couldn't believe how candid Smoltz was about the guy (bolded, bottom) when this article originally ran. The sad thing is that this isn't isolated. Eddings consistently acts the fool, from swearing at Estrada after the fact to not acknowledging his mistake in the ALCS. All emphases mine.

It seems like more and more umpires are like this these days. All these guys who take 10 steps toward dugouts and basically incite the team. I swear, I hope one day I'm in charge of baseball. An act like that would cost the umpire a LOT of pay. These guys need to realize that they're the least essential part of baseball. They do need to stop acting like the world revolves around them.

Can I add Dan Iasogna (sp?), Brian Runge, and Angel Hernandez to the list of umpires who need to be beaten with a nail-ridden 2x4?

[canadiancreed]

It seems like more and more umpires are like this these days. All these guys who take 10 steps toward dugouts and basically incite the team. I swear, I hope one day I'm in charge of baseball. An act like that would cost the umpire a LOT of pay. These guys need to realize that they're the least essential part of baseball. They do need to stop acting like the world revolves around them.

You think after their failed strike a few years ago that they woud have learned that

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Ha. I didn't realize this was the same umpire who incited Estrada. Boy, that sure makes me feel a lot better about getting jobbed like this. Ridiculous: call strike three, call out three, and then change the call because the batter runs toward first. Truly unreal. It really is Denkinger all over again - and it's extra-infuriating to see that this is a guy who's caused problems in the past.

Hopefully if he's on the Game 3 crew, there'll be a nice run on AA batteries in the area.

[mrskippy]

Originally Posted by Azamien

I'm all for it if it's used in cases like this, because there's no judgement call involved at all here. It either hits the dirt, or it doesn't. It didn't.

Actually, when I look at it ... there is a chance it did ... based on shadows. He trapped the ball and that pretty much opens the door for a bounce.

Another rule:

If the ball hits the catcher's glove and bounces ... batter can run to first.

[Joshv02]

I've never seen anything more idiotic than a reporter actually writing "quote-unquote 'xyz.'"

[Sublimity]

Originally Posted by Joshv02

I've never seen anything more idiotic than a reporter actually writing "quote-unquote 'xyz.'"

I'd like to see one insert a picture of someone doing the quotation mark sign with their hands.

As for that, well, unfortunately for the reporter, it was part of the overall quote. Accuracy and completeness and all that.

[Urth]

Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

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Hopefully if he's on the Game 3 crew, there'll be a nice run on AA batteries in the area.

Wow. I don't like the call either, but suggesting assualt to take out your collective frustrations? Wow.

[Sublimity]

Originally Posted by Urth

Wow. I don't like the call either, but suggesting assualt to take out your collective frustrations? Wow.

I'm no legal scholar, but I'm pretty sure he's suggesting battery.

[IatricSB]

Originally Posted by keenejee

First of all, it's not Kenny dickhead. I'm a man of my word...although I don't even remember the specifics of the bet except the reward, so that'll happen. Enlighten me on what I agreed upon with the specifics?

This is the funniest post I've read in a while. ROFLMAO!